KKKlick's Anavar Cycle Log

[kkklick]

Alright bros here it goes, today I started my cycle 70 mg per day for 8 weeks, 30mg with breakfast then 40 mg after the gym with post workou meal. Diet is a cutting diet, example of todays meals was 3 hard boiled eggs tablespoon of olive oil half a protein shake for breakfast, gym, post workout shake then steak sweet potatoe and veggies, next meal will be chicken veggies and a bit of brown rice, then a casein shake and cottage cheese a bit before bed.

Other supplements:
Liquid albuterol (just to kickstart the fat loss especially at the beginning of the cycle when I'm waiting for the var to kick in, gives me tons of energy and sweat quite a bit, heart rate goes a bit high so I'm pretty careful)
Creatine
CLA
N2Guard
HCGenerate (will start on week 2)

Woke up today at about 185 pounds at 6'1. Goal for this cycle is to stay the same weight while dropping the fat and putting on a little bit of muscle. Will be going to the gym 3 days on 1 day off 3 days on per week, might even go with 4-1-4 depending on my muscle recovery rate.

My lifts are low, because of finals I had to take a small vacation from the gym but I'm done now and have 100% of my time and efforts towards this cycle I have no other committments. I will definitely keep this log updated regularly and WILL post pics when it's all over. I see tons of var logs on the internet but half way through they stop posting and never put any pics up. I took some pictures today before going to the gym and will take another set in 8 weeks.

Hoping it all goes well, by the way this will be my last oral only cycle, gonna run a test+var+primo cycle in May.

 

[Iron Warrior707]

Why do you need to cut? At 6'1 185 you should already be ripped.. i think you need a bulking cycle like dbol and more food instead of var.. 6'1 185 is too skinny, i know guys at my gym who are 6'3 200lb and they look very skinny, with a very low bf%..

 

[kkklick]

I havent been to the gym ini 4p days, lost some size but the muscle memory should take care of that, I usually hover at around 200 normally.

 

[kkklick]

Day 2 complete, muscle is coming back very quickly and nicely, beasted it in the gym for 2.5 hours today. Had to cut forearms short due to painful pumpage but I loved it. Only side effect right now is stomach cramps, drinking tons of water helps. Will update again soon when I see some progression on my lifts since its the first week and I had been off for a bit I dont really have a baseline.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

your 185lbs, you havent been to the gym in 4 days? but you usually hover around 200? so you lost 15 pounds of muscle in 4 days???? am i understanding this correctly?

have you been eating the past 4 days? lol

 

[gymjunkie09]

your 185lbs, you havent been to the gym in 4 days? but you usually hover around 200? so you lost 15 pounds of muscle in 4 days???? am i understanding this correctly?

have you been eating the past 4 days? lol

lmao, I was thinking the same thing

 

[kkklick]

Just saw that it says 4p I missed the 0 and pressed p instead yea it has been 40 days, had law school finals literally had no time to go to the gym and was stressed like a mofo. Still was eating properly though, just the cutting diet and lack of resistence training dropped my weight quite a bit. 3 days in I'm already up 2 pounds it'll come back I'm sure.

 

[Tranzlogic]

I hope you don't think you put on 2 pounds of muscle in 3 days? I'm new to this site but not to lifting. Unless there was an emergency or an injury the fact that you took 40 days off from training shows your lack of dedication and therefor no need for you to be taking any kind of compound. My 2 cents.

 

[kkklick]

Obviously I know the 2 pounds was not muscle, and the 15 i lost before that wasn't all muscle, I know what I'm doing, again this thread is not about if i should cycle or not. I was just thinking of doing this so that others who actually wanted to see anavar results (I challenge anyone to find pics of an anavar only cycle online), but it seems like the response just isn't what I was expecting so I think I will just end it here and keep it to myself.

 

[kkklick]

I hope you don't think you put on 2 pounds of muscle in 3 days? I'm new to this site but not to lifting. Unless there was an emergency or an injury the fact that you took 40 days off from training shows your lack of dedication and therefor no need for you to be taking any kind of compound. My 2 cents.

I wouldn't say its a lack of dedication, more so that I care about my real future. I don't think you have any comprehension on how difficult law school is.

 

[The Guyyy]

Keep this going. It would be a good resource. I've run a var-only "cycle" and I got a lot out of it. 11 weeks, averaged 50mg a day: gained 10lbs, lost 3% bf, lifts went up big. I have a log with all my weights and these are the end results: Bench + 50lbs, squats + 50lbs, dead lifts + 60lbs, wide grip lat + 40lbs, rows + 40lbs, curls + 30-40lbs (barbell). Those were some really solid results, especially considering the fact that I had zero side effects. I only ran nolva at 20mg a day for 12 days afterwards, and even that may have been unnecessary. Its been 2 months since my cycle ended and my weight dropped about 5lbs within 10 days from stopping and my lifts all went down by about 5-10lbs (probably just from the loss of power, not muscle). My weights are all back to where they were on cycle now, so it looks like I had initially kept about 90% of my gains (which is pretty damn good). Anavar standalone is a solid choice (so long as you have a source with decent prices or dont care about money) and it shouldn't be knocked like it often is. Obviously running it with test could be better, but that all depends on your goals and outlook.

 

[kkklick]

Appreciate it, will keep it going for sure. To anyone else, I don't mind any negative comments, but this is more of a log than a thread to discuss anavar use or if I should/should not be using it.

Might as well update today then, did a leg day with a half hour on the bike after, I still cant walk. Pump was great and had trouble walking throughout the gym lol. Also noticed a vein in my forearm today (I have never in my life seen any outline or colour of a vein on my forearm, not even close). Vascularity seems to be kicking in, being at a lower bf% than the last time I ran it prob helps to. 70 mg seems to be the trick, I may bump it to 80 later on but I'm liking 70 at the moment. Recovery is increased, I did bi's on sunday (absolutely wrecked them to the point that I was unbelievably sore in the morning) and I feel like I could work them out again right now. In terms of fat loss nothing noted, I'm taking creatine if anything my body has thickened up quite a bit, looks like I have the mass I used to a few months ago. Still got just under 8 weeks its just the beginning but I'm liking the dosage so far.

 

[kc17]

Keep the log going bro...

 

[wcjcMr.O]

I wouldn't say its a lack of dedication, more so that I care about my real future. I don't think you have any comprehension on how difficult law school is.

No, your probably right man. I HEAR it is very tough, extremely long hours and such. But your right, at least "I" dont know how tough it is.

but the fact is, when not being in the gym for 40 days, thats a horrible time to decide to jump into a cycle. Why not wait till you can dedicate the energy needed to make the most of your cycle? when your actually in GOOD lifting shape?

can you really study, work 50, 60, 70+ hours a week and STILL have the energy and time to get in all your meals when you should be and give 100% in the gym?

I know I couldnt. My workouts would be severely lacking.....but maybe your superman....lol

my 2 cents

best of luck

 

[stevesmi]

sorry bro but the guys are right. gotta get the muscles conditioned before running a cycle cause now you are gonna have a lot of soreness and longer recovery times. which will results in a waste of a cycle. i really wish you would stop the cycle and hold off a little bit.. var isn't cheap.. it would be like taking the bar exam when you haven't done any studying in 40 days.

in any event good luck whatever you choose to do.. if you continue the cycle then i will be looking for before and after pics.

 

[kkklick]

I hear ya guys, I already have a good natural recovery rate, the way I'm looking at it is, will it affect my workouts to the point that I'm still sore by the next one.

As of now my split is:
bi's/back/abs
chest/tri's/shoulders/forearms
legs/HIIT
Rest
Repeat

I worked bi's and back on sunday, I'm slated to work them tmrw and today is my rest day, to be honest the soreness is gone (did have it as of last night but I've been sleeping 10 hours per night so that's helping recovery).

I get the logic as to why it's not optimal to jump on a cycle after taking a break I agree there, at this point I'm in however and don't forsee the muscle soreness as getting in the way at the moment. I wish I could just stop like that Steve but I'm already 4 days in. I've taken extended breaks before (without aas when I got back into it) and the soreness per muscle never lasted more than 4 days for me. Is there anything I may be missing here?

Also to wcj yea I get what you're saying but I'm off for 3 weeks and when I get back to school the first little while isn't so bad it will only get hectic around march/april so I have complete time and total dedication to this cycle.

 

[kkklick]

Update for Day 5/57

So bros, basically today was the real test to see if I was going to stop the cycle due to the advice I received the other day in this thread. The real test was will I progress on my lifts or feel any effects of overtraining or not allowing my muscles enough time to recover. Well I'm happy to say that today went awesome, much better than I could have expected. I felt a tiny bit of soreness on my overhead pulldowns, but nothing more than what I usually feel while doing that exercise, after that it was smooth sailing. I somehow managed to add 10-15 pounds on every exercise I did (did the exact same routine as last sunday) and it was easier to do the heavier weights. I guess I can attribute this to muscle conditioning, muscle memory, anavar and creatine.

When I was doing bi's, holy it looked like someone cut my arm open stuck a baseball in there and sewed me up, never seen my bi's look like that before, the pump was unreal (for me). Vascularity is showing now to, I have this one big vein in my forearm that is finally visible. As for fat loss ,still nothing noticable but that's to be expected I guess, usually it takes me a few weeks to notice lowering of body fat. The liquid albuterol is really helping my energy in the gym because man the var is making me quite lethargic, hopefully it subsides soon.

By the way the HCGenerate has my boys working great, this product really works. I started taking it yesterday (should've started right away because the var was already starting to lower my libido and suppress me within only 3 days!) Also haven't ejaculated in 7 days, and you're probably wondering why the hell I'm telling you this, according to a recent study not ejaculating for 7 days, on the 7th day your testosterone production increases by 47%. I have been raging more than usual today as well but who knows.

No other side effects, cramping is pretty much gone. Don't regret this cycle so far, very happy with the progress in the last 5 days. If this cycle does nothing but give me a shit ton of strength, I'll take it, because I'm pretty weak for my build I would say (but I'm quite sure the var is gonna do more than that).

Any questions post em bros, sorry for the long update, no one knows I'm on anything so I gotta tell someone! lol

 

[Iron Warrior707]

Update for Day 5/57

So bros, basically today was the real test to see if I was going to stop the cycle due to the advice I received the other day in this thread. The real test was will I progress on my lifts or feel any effects of overtraining or not allowing my muscles enough time to recover. Well I'm happy to say that today went awesome, much better than I could have expected. I felt a tiny bit of soreness on my overhead pulldowns, but nothing more than what I usually feel while doing that exercise, after that it was smooth sailing. I somehow managed to add 10-15 pounds on every exercise I did (did the exact same routine as last sunday) and it was easier to do the heavier weights. I guess I can attribute this to muscle conditioning, muscle memory, anavar and creatine.

When I was doing bi's, holy it looked like someone cut my arm open stuck a baseball in there and sewed me up, never seen my bi's look like that before, the pump was unreal (for me). Vascularity is showing now to, I have this one big vein in my forearm that is finally visible. As for fat loss ,still nothing noticable but that's to be expected I guess, usually it takes me a few weeks to notice lowering of body fat. The liquid albuterol is really helping my energy in the gym because man the var is making me quite lethargic, hopefully it subsides soon.

By the way the HCGenerate has my boys working great, this product really works. I started taking it yesterday (should've started right away because the var was already starting to lower my libido and suppress me within only 3 days!) Also haven't ejaculated in 7 days, and you're probably wondering why the hell I'm telling you this, according to a recent study not ejaculating for 7 days, on the 7th day your testosterone production increases by 47%. I have been raging more than usual today as well but who knows.

No other side effects, cramping is pretty much gone. Don't regret this cycle so far, very happy with the progress in the last 5 days. If this cycle does nothing but give me a shit ton of strength, I'll take it, because I'm pretty weak for my build I would say (but I'm quite sure the var is gonna do more than that).

Any questions post em bros, sorry for the long update, no one knows I'm on anything so I gotta tell someone! lol

Anavar dont give strength gains until week 2, so the strength you gained is from creatine and muscle memory..
Also not ejaculating for 7 days to get strong, aggressive or whatever is all fukin BS, ejaculating the day before a workout works the best im always strong and motivated the day after..

 

[kkklick]

Anavar dont give strength gains until week 2, so the strength you gained is from creatine and muscle memory..
Also not ejaculating for 7 days to get strong, aggressive or whatever is all fukin BS, ejaculating the day before a workout works the best im always strong and motivated the day after..

I see, yea that makes sense.

Hey man calm down this is the study I was talking about didn't imply it's for sure just thought it was interesting. And no it's not to get strong or aggresive its to get a free boost of natty test

A research on the relationship b... [J Zhejiang Univ Sci. 2003 Mar-Apr] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Iron Warrior707]

I see, yea that makes sense.

Hey man calm down this is the study I was talking about didn't imply it's for sure just thought it was interesting. And no it's not to get strong or aggresive its to get a free boost of natty test

A research on the relationship b... [J Zhejiang Univ Sci. 2003 Mar-Apr] - PubMed - NCBI

I have actually read that study before with many others, its all BS, tiny bit of increase in test wont do jack, just whack it off or fuck your girlfriend/wife already, theres no need to abstain, if you dont like having fun thats fine.. Also you dont get free boost of natty T from abstain, just pop 5g of tribulus if you want..

 

[Iron Warrior707]

I see, yea that makes sense.

Hey man calm down this is the study I was talking about didn't imply it's for sure just thought it was interesting. And no it's not to get strong or aggresive its to get a free boost of natty test

A research on the relationship b... [J Zhejiang Univ Sci. 2003 Mar-Apr] - PubMed - NCBI

I have actually read that study before with many others, its all BS, tiny bit of increase in test wont do jack, just whack it off or fuck your girlfriend/wife already, theres no need to abstain, if you dont like having fun thats fine.. Also you dont get free boost of natty T from abstain, just pop 5g of tribulus if you want..

Anyway, continue with your log bro.

 

[Iron Warrior707]

Sorry about the double post..

 

[kkklick]

Yea I dunno mate, seems there's thousands on bb.com who follow it and apparently have noticed results, either way I don't think I can last much longer anyways

Update for today, did chest tri's shoulders and forearms. Left tri and left shoulder were still a tiny bit sore and it was noticable, maybe should have taken one more ay of rest. All lifts went up from last time though. Not really much else to update, prob gonna take tmrw off to rest up then hit legs on sunday.

Cheers everyone

 

[kkklick]

Day 9/57

Did bi's abs and back today plus 20 min of cardio

Since day 1, have added 30 pounds to overhead pull downs, 30 pounds to seated rows, 20 pounds to barbell curls, 40 pounds on one back machine (not sure what the exercise is called), 10 pounds to hammer curls etc.

No side affects at all to speak of, absolutely 0.

Pumps are great, arms looking nice, back is growing real well.

I can't wait for what's in store for the next 48 days

 

[Iron Warrior707]

Day 9/57

Did bi's abs and back today plus 20 min of cardio

Since day 1, have added 30 pounds to overhead pull downs, 30 pounds to seated rows, 20 pounds to barbell curls, 40 pounds on one back machine (not sure what the exercise is called), 10 pounds to hammer curls etc.

No side affects at all to speak of, absolutely 0.

Pumps are great, arms looking nice, back is growing real well.

I can't wait for what's in store for the next 48 days

Like i said those gains are from creatine and muscle memory, var takes 2 weeks to see any strength increase.. If your var is legit you'll be impressed in week 2, that means 5 more days..
Dont forget to increase your protein intake on this cycle..

 

[kkklick]

Like i said those gains are from creatine and muscle memory, var takes 2 weeks to see any strength increase.. If your var is legit you'll be impressed in week 2, that means 5 more days..
Dont forget to increase your protein intake on this cycle..

Yea I didn't mean to imply it was the var, guess I should note that so ppl don't think it was the var. It's def legit, last time I cycled I used the same company. Looking forward to week 3 through 8 for sure. Protein intake is high, appreciate the input warrior.

 

[needtogetaas]

I see a lot of newbs being kind of dickish in this thread as well as acting like they know more then they really do. How about we keep the rude shit to our selves and furthermore you can gain 2lb of muscle in 3 days dont let anyone tell you that you cant... I know many peeps who have gained 50lb in 4 weeks and almost all of it muscle. 30 days 50lb thats more then a 1 pound a day...

All this " you can only do this and that in this amount of time" or any limitations the every day lemmings try to put on things is nothing more than mental road blocks. We are capable of doing anything.

 

[vocor]

Thanks for posting your experiences!
Day 7 was the magic day for me, when I wrote "THIS STUFF ROCKS!" in my workout diary. And I was only running 20-30mg daily (5'9", 170lb, 15% BF).
Five weeks total. I didn't have this lethargy others speak of. My libido increased most of the time, but some days everything was just normal. Did 10 days of 10mg Nolva . . . so PCT was a breeze.

 

[kkklick]

I see a lot of newbs being kind of dickish in this thread as well as acting like they know more then they really do. How about we keep the rude shit to our selves and furthermore you can gain 2lb of muscle in 3 days dont let anyone tell you that you cant... I know many peeps who have gained 50lb in 4 weeks and almost all of it muscle. 30 days 50lb thats more then a 1 pound a day... http://i39.tinypic.com/14j6y49.jpg

All this " you can only do this and that in this amount of time" or any limitations the every day lemmings try to put on things is nothing more than mental road blocks. We are capable of doing anything.

Thanks Need2, yea people in this thread seem to be making all sorts of claims but aren't backing anything up. It's getting hard to know who/what to trust, unfortunately most elite members won't really follow an oral only log especially anavar.

Thanks for posting your experiences!
Day 7 was the magic day for me, when I wrote "THIS STUFF ROCKS!" in my workout diary. And I was only running 20-30mg daily (5'9", 170lb, 15% BF).
Five weeks total. I didn't have this lethargy others speak of. My libido increased most of the time, but some days everything was just normal. Did 10 days of 10mg Nolva . . . so PCT was a breeze.

No problem Vocor, I hope this log is helping people, from what I've seen it has about 600 or so views so I'm pretty sure there's quite a few people following it. 20-30 is a solid dose, usually 40 is the minimum dose to see all the benefits var has to offer but it sounds like it worked well for you, and I'm not surprised that you had no sides as that dose is pretty "safe" (chances of sides are low). Last time the var really kicked in mid-week 3, looking forward to it and definitely will keep updating.

 

[kkklick]

Day 10/57

Did chest tri's shoulders

All lifts still going up (prob bcus of muscle mem) except bench? God i dunno why my bench is so weak and shit, one of those things I can't seem to add weight to, I tried putting on 10 pounds more than last time and only got 6 reps when I did the previous weight for 9-10. Oh well just going to have to keep pushing.

Starting to notice a change, a bit more definition especially during lifts, but not much is noticable when i''m standing relaxed close to a mirror. Looking a lot better with a shirt on, shoulders are growing.

Still not noticing any real fat loss, dunno if it's still too early or not enough time, my diet is pretty good, will wait another week or so and if I still don't see anything noticable I'll look to modify my diet and add some more cardio.

Nothing else to update, legs and forearms tmrw, maybe abs as well, will update tmr.

 

[Judo Tom]

whats your routine?

whats your diet?

Good luck

 

[kkklick]

back/bi's/abs
Chest/tri's/shoulders
Legs/forearms
Rest
Repeat

Breakfast = Kashi golean cereal, tablespoon olive oil, protein shake (or eggs)
Gym
Post workout = Shake
Then 20 minutes later I'll have a meal, chicken breast with spinach and chick peas or lentils + plain low sugar yogurt (sometimes I'll have brown rice with veggies instead as a source of carbs
Next meal is the same thing and add a handful of almonds + blueberries
Drink about 4-5 litres of water per day, don't drink anything other than water not even diet sodas etc
Before bed a casein protein shake
Sometimes in between there I might have a protein bar (a low carb one) just for some added protein

As far as hunger goes I'm good, I never get hungry with this meal plan but I'm pretty sure that there's too many shakes in there. Just hard to get a high amount of protein from eating chicken breast all day the var has really lowered my appetite quite a bit some days I struggle to even eat whats in the meal plan and have to force it down.

 

[Judo Tom]

Cool Thanks! and again good luck w/ he cycle keep this thread going!

 

[ConanX]

You should do great. My first ever cycle was just 25mg of Anavar ED for 6 weeks (I think 6). I put on a few pounds while shedding bodyfat. I had vascularity and definition. Strength went way up. I finally had a nice set of abs. Not one side affect. Anavar will always hold a special place in my pantry lol.

BTW just a suggestion...how about throwing some ECA in there while you're at it? It will help you burn more fat and give you more energy. I think it's a nice addition to a little cycle like this. Probably safer than albuterol too. Just drink water.

 

[kkklick]

Cool Thanks! and again good luck w/ he cycle keep this thread going!

Thanks for the well wishes Judo, will do!

You should do great. My first ever cycle was just 25mg of Anavar ED for 6 weeks (I think 6). I put on a few pounds while shedding bodyfat. I had vascularity and definition. Strength went way up. I finally had a nice set of abs. Not one side affect. Anavar will always hold a special place in my pantry lol.

BTW just a suggestion...how about throwing some ECA in there while you're at it? It will help you burn more fat and give you more energy. I think it's a nice addition to a little cycle like this. Probably safer than albuterol too. Just drink water.

Yes anavar is great, I've made more progress in 10 days than I have in the previous month+ of training/dieting.

As far as the ECA goes I tried it before but it was giving me stomach problems (but I was also having unrelated stomach issues at the time which I don't have anymore). My albuterol is pretty much almost done anyways have maybe about a weeks worth left, so I will definitely give it a try again. Thanks for the advice Conan!

 

[kkklick]

Day 17/57

Haven't had much to report, vascularity is increasing, pumps are strong (no back pump problems). Getting a bit stronger everywhere, except bench. Going to up it 10 pounds anyways next workout I'll have a spotter. Definition is getting better, fat loss is coming slow butt I can see it starting, have upp the cardio to HIIT 30-40 minutes post workout every other workout. Hoping the anavar and albuterol are strong enough catabolics to help me out here. Have just started this cardio format 4 days ago so not sure what the result will be. Diets still the same. 40 days but the var peak hasn't reached me yet, last time I peaked around week 3-4 till 7, so will be hitting the gym extra hard (although it's gonna be hard to go harder than i already do). Little bit of acne, might be from the hcgenerate, cuz last time I got no acne from var. Also increased hair growth for sure, and that's def from the var.

Cheers guys

 

[crixus]

yea hopefully your about to hit your stride this week and make some good gains.. gl bro

 

[kkklick]

Day 18/57

Recovery is great, hit back/bi's 3 days ago and was able to hit them again today and strength went up again. So far I've really noticed improvements in my posture, shoulder width and size, chest (quite a bit of improvement), back and arms (mostly bi's, tri's are so-so improvement). Basically the biggest change I've seen is in shoulders and chest, I used to look like a pear in a shirt, decent upper body then love handles and wide hip bones made me look like a chick. Now my back (lats) have some width, shoulders are wider and chest sticks out, so despite not losing too much body fat I'm looking much much better.

Pumps were intense during lower back today, nothing painful though.

Getting some acne as I mentioned, this is why I was hesitant about running test, I'm very prone to all sides (hair loss, acne, gyno etc). I'm betting it's the hcg but var has acne as a potential side as well, who knows, nothing too too bad, just 4 pimples, but they won't go away.

Vascularity still the same as last time, seems that most of the results are concentrated in the forearms and this huge blue vein I have running along my chest.

So looks like I hit the 4 points, strength, vascularity, pumps and fat loss, in terms of fat loss nothing major yet which is a disappointment but I think that it's more me being impatient, cant expect to see too much fat loss improvement in 2.5 weeks, I'll reassess around week 4-5, but as far as diet cardio and training goes things couldn't be any better, so I just have to be confident that what I'm doing will work and just be patient.

Cheers

 

[ACeR_1er]

What brand var are you running?

 

[kkklick]

Lufsen, it's kind of local but they've gone big recently because their products are legit. Var has a problem of being underdosed because of it's high cost but this brand is legit.

Day 21/57

Took yesterday off since I had gone 6 days straight to the gym+cardio, could have gone but decided to give the CNS system a rest so I literally stayed in bed most of the day, walked about 5K but that was about it. I'm starting to see/feel a bit of the fat loss. I can't grab as much fat in the love handles area as before, didn't really notice this until yesterday really, but I do remember having more fat there but the area is tightening up (could it be because of lower back pumps though?) I had worked out back the previous day..

Vascularity is beautiful, I have 3 new huge veins showing in my forearms and a new one on my chest, cuts on my forearms are coming in nice.

Traps are coming in great (very weak spot of mine, shoulders came into my neck at a 90 degree angle), really liking the way my upper body is looking right now, if I could stay this same size but with more definition and a lower bf% I would be extremely happy. I'm glad that var targets abdominal and leg fat, that's where I'm carrying the most of what's left, another 5 weeks to go and the peak of var is here Just as a litle added note, I bought this red tank top about 8 days ago, came home tried it on and the fit was awful, looked fat because it was so tight around te waist, put it on yesterday and it's actually looking good.

I don't get why people hate on var only cycles, I feel that the risk to reward ratio is favourable, and if you keep your natty test going as much as possible while on and you PCT properly when you come off, it's a great little cycle to shed some fat and add a few pounds of keepable LBM (assumiong diet, training and supplementation is on point, can't stress that enough). I've seen people run a var cycle at around the same dosage as I'm running it and the only change that was made was their arms became huge. He was eating Mcdonalds, training arms 3-4 times a week didn't do cardio and didn't take any other supplements except whey. Like everyone else says, gear is just the icing on the cake, making sure that the effort you put in will show results. So I would advise that before doing a cycle like this make sure you have all the supplementation and follow a strict diet, training regiment. As far as diet, I followed Radar's post as to what foods to include in my diet since I'm trying to add muscle and lose fat at the same time http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-build-muscle-loose-fat-then-read-712503.html

Cheers

Hitting the gym today for abs, forearms and cardio,

 

[kkklick]

day 22/57

Ended up skipping the gym yesterday, diet was awful, would be surprised if I hit 1,300 calories, was feeling down and a bit depressed yesteday? Little things are upsetting me whereas before I could be indifferent, strange. Went hard today at the gym to make up for yesterday. Did about 4 excercises for forearms 4 sets and abs (lower upper and obliques), then 70 minutes on the bike burning approx 400 cals, tried to do as much HIIT in that as possible but eventually I just was doing the ol' regular boring cardio. Heart rate was still mid 150's the whole time though. Nothing else to note, back bi's tmrw

 

[drhodes1970]

kkklick, your education is way more important than this forum. Don't stress it.

 

[kkklick]

Day 23/57

Back bi's went well. All lifts are progressing slightly. Vascularity in my forearms is beautiful, can't walk by a mirror without checking em out. Frustrated with the lack of fat loss so far (muscle gains have been pretty good though, looks like I'm responding well to the var). It's like I can't make a dent in that lower back fat and stomach fat, was on the bike for 12 miles today on top of working out and eating an insanely healthy diet. Must be genetics, no one in my entire extended family has been under 18%ish bf, I'm stretching here, could still be too early, the body can only get rid of so much fat at a time I guess. Haven't checked the scale but Im assuming I'm pretty much the same weight.

 

[gymjunkie09]

Day 23/57

Back bi's went well. All lifts are progressing slightly. Vascularity in my forearms is beautiful, can't walk by a mirror without checking em out. Frustrated with the lack of fat loss so far (muscle gains have been pretty good though, looks like I'm responding well to the var). It's like I can't make a dent in that lower back fat and stomach fat, was on the bike for 12 miles today on top of working out and eating an insanely healthy diet. Must be genetics, no one in my entire extended family has been under 18%ish bf, I'm stretching here, could still be too early, the body can only get rid of so much fat at a time I guess. Haven't checked the scale but Im assuming I'm pretty much the same weight.

sounds like your diet needs to be tweeked......if you're not losing weight you are either eating to much or not enough, our you just need to switch things up to keep your body guessing. It's very possible you've gone into starvation mode

 

[kkklick]

sounds like your diet needs to be tweeked......if you're not losing weight you are either eating to much or not enough, our you just need to switch things up to keep your body guessing. It's very possible you've gone into starvation mode

I agree. If it's one of the two it's not eating enough, the var has done a number on my appetite. Also, really get hungry only at night, dunno why. I actually took some pics this morning and compared them to ones I took 17 days ago and there is some fat loss for sure, the lighting in the pics is different so I'm not basing that on apparent definition (theres more especially the abs area) but moreso my stomach and it's gone in a bit. Also lost some fat of my chest, much more shapely now especially when flexed. At this pace I should be able to see my abs by the end of April

 

[kkklick]

Day 24/57

Oh baby here comes the var, insane pumps (took all 70mg before gym today instead of the 40 before and 30 after split. Since my gym schedule has changed due to school this is what it has to be but you know what I think it's better, pumps were awesome).

I can't stress this enough, before I looked like crap in a loose or tight T-shirt, looked like I didn't even lift (genetically small forearms), today at the gym I felt amazing when I looked in the mirror doing dumbell presses shoulder shrugs and seeing how much better I look. Gut is still there, had a BAD cheat meal yesterday holy, philly cheesesteak with mayo. Was regretting it right after but it looked so good...

Was at the gym for about 3 hours today 2 hr weights and 1 hr cardio, feeling good. Vascularity is just getting better and better.

As far as strength goes, now it's starting. I kind of tweaked my right shoulder so I didn't up the weight but kept it the same as last time; but chest and tri lifts are definitely up.

I'm definitely in var's wheelhouse right now and I don't wanna get out, knowing I have just over 4 more weeks of this to make even more improvements makes me a happy man =)

 

[kkklick]

Day 25/57
Forearms abs and an hour cardio. Strength increasing and ab exercises are getting much easier.

Day 26/57
Haven't gone to the gym yet, but will be back bi's n cardio

Have a question bros, I was thinking of switching my deit to a Keto diet, I've seen some great transformations, but I don't know if it's a diet that would fit a var cycle. Would the lack of carbs diminish the already minimal muscle gains var gives? Just thinking since I'm not very hungry most of the time, it will be easy for me to cut the carbs. If anyone knows anything about this advice would be appreciated.

 

[vocor]

I agree. If it's one of the two it's not eating enough, the var has done a number on my appetite. Also, really get hungry only at night, dunno why. I actually took some pics this morning and compared them to ones I took 17 days ago and there is some fat loss for sure, the lighting in the pics is different so I'm not basing that on apparent definition (theres more especially the abs area) but moreso my stomach and it's gone in a bit. Also lost some fat of my chest, much more shapely now especially when flexed. At this pace I should be able to see my abs by the end of April

I definitely had the appetite suppression with var. I think that is a good thing if you are trying to lean up, maintain muscle, and gain strength. But you definitely don't get bulky and can't with this.

Hope your appetite gets in line with your goals. Thx for sharing your progress.

 

[kkklick]

thanks ^^^

Alright guys I decided to start a Keto diet as of this morning, keeping protein and fats high and carbs virtually minimum. Going to have 1 carb reload per week, hoping to see some nice fat loss in the next 4 weeks

 

[Bruvstar]

Man I'm loving this cycle!!!

Vascularity is a huge bonus with var, massively interested on the bf Droppin, and hardenin. Overall effects? How has it changed you?

 

[kkklick]

Man I'm loving this cycle!!!

Vascularity is a huge bonus with var, massively interested on the bf Droppin, and hardenin. Overall effects? How has it changed you?

Glad to hear it mate, yea vascularity is a bonus for sure.

In terms of body fat I've seen a bit of a change, I just modified my diet to a keto diet, should work quite well given the anti-catabolic properties of var, should be able to strip off a good amount of fat over the next month. So far the fat loss has been so-so but definitely noticable.

Hardening is awesome, especially in the gym. After a couple of exercises for the body parts I'm working they're fully pumped.

Overall effects, muscle gains coming slow and dropping fat, mostly noticing a change in my physique, I go to a university gym and I'm now one of the bigger guys in there.

How has it changed me? Well I would say I look a hell of a lot better in clothes, and with my shirt off but the bit of fat I have left really bothers me. Don't think I'll be fully satisfied until I can get my bf% to somwhere around 8-12%. I have a long term goal of being 195 @9-10% by September 2012, this cycle has refocused me on the path to be fit so it deifnitely has changed me. More confident as well. Now half way through the cycle and have made some noticable changes, the peak for the next little while should yield some reasonable changes I'm hoping.


Question for brahs, I can't help thinking the keto diet will halt the (albeit little) muscle gains that var gives. Don't know the science behind it but I'm sure muscles need carbs to grow.. Given that fat loss is the main goal of this cycle I still would say the keto diet is the right way to go but since var does pack some muscle on I don't want to lose that opportunity.

 

[Bruvstar]

Sounds like my kinda thing.

You have very similar goals to me. Except I'm aiming for some mass before I cut.

I'm at 6" 190lbs and 13%. ideally I'd like to get to 220lbs 10% by sept 2013 also.

Muscles feel somewhat spongy from a dbol cycle I ran, and not very vascular. I would LOVE a hardened vascular look whilst bulking, but that's almost an impossible task haha. One thing at a time

Loving the log massively, learnt a lot from it and it seems to work for you. So well done bro. Will continue to follow

 

[kkklick]

Day 31/57

Things are going well. Losing fat but arms are same size/smaller, prob cuz the water has been drained because of no carbs. I'm currently in Ketosis right now and plan to be until the 27th of this month when I'll have a carb-up. Workouts in the gym aren't at the level they were before (85%) but I'm getting used to it.

Strength is improving in forearms chest shoulders tris bis back, the lifts just keep goin up. I would say my weak points right now are abs a bit, chest and shoulders. Vascularity is good, fat loss is good, strength is good, recovery is excellent, pumps are awesome. Nothing but positive to report

 

[kkklick]

Just a small update, day 8 of keto, muscles are flatter because of the water and glycogen being drained from the muscles. More definition and vascularity is looking better on keto. Have my carb up on the 27th so by then I should be able to judge the difference after the initial bloating subsides.

On another note I'm starting to feel down again, I'm getting down on myself because I question my ability to reach my goal physique. I'm doing everything right but things seem to be slowing down in terms of progress. This happened last cycle to but around week 6. I'm going to wait until the carb up then take pics and see the difference, if I feel the var isn't leading to changes the way it was I'll likely stop the cycle after week 6, no point in abusing my liver for no reason.

I'm looking forward to running a better cycle in May, I'm going to try to cut until then, then run a bulker cycle something like test and primo, or maybe test and var.

 

[Judo Tom]

just a tip.. carb up and stay carb'd up. you will still burn fat and you will get more out of the cycle.

keto works well to burn fat but while on i wouldnt waste the juice by not supplying my muscles the carbs they need.

again you can still loose a bunch of weight taking in 30 - 40% of your cals from carbs... you just need to watch your overall cals and take in good low glycemic carbs.. do a bit of am cardio as well to bump up the fat loss as well.

just an idea.. give it some thought.

 

[kkklick]

I think I just might do that, that was my concern, didn't want to waste the var if I could just do keto off cycle with the same results. I'll be carbing up this week and depending on the size of my muscles after glycogen and water is restored, if I look a lot better maybe I'll keep going but if I see just fat loss and not much improvement I'll stick to the traditional 40/40/20 split.

Just a quick note, I guess its the drained water but my forearms have crazy definition right now, moreso than ever before in my life. Keto does work but probably just not the right timing. I saw some var+keto threads on UK muscle but there was no definitive information

 

[Voijn]

Anavar only was ment to be my first cycle, but after only doing 5days i noticed very sensative nipples! I actually thought that i was developing gyno from a drug that does not aromatise.. Furthermore i began reading alot about it and seems like i wasent the only one in the world that had experienced this

I read a article about receptor cross-over from Needto, this was on another forum wich led me to this one! Thanks god

But thats another story, when i was quite ripped i popt 50mg of anavar in 5days i began seeing veins i had never seen on my shoulders! DAIM
Since i was freaking out due to the ichyness and that i was abit young and unexperienced i went to my doctor and got rid of my package of anavar ! WTF:...

 

[The Guyyy]

Hey man, I hadn't checked your log in a while. Looks like you've had a good cycle so far though. I'm 3 weeks into my own right now and things are going great. Just wondering- what are you planning on doing for post? I keep hearing some conflicting views about what to run: from nolva, to clomid, to both, or to get some otc natural test boosters/ai supplements.

 

[ACeR_1er]

Looks like its been awhile... Wondering how things are goin for you bro?

 

[kkklick]

@theguy - clomid.

Update, cycle is winding down I'm in my last week. The results have not been groundbreaking, but I saw some great results. I'll review each component here. for those that want pics pm me, would rather do that than post them on here.

Fat Loss: Really not sure, because before I started I had taken a layoff beforehand and my abs were nonexistant, so the flatness of my stomach was probably deceiving. Now, my stomach looks the same but I can feel my abs a hell of a lot better than 2 months ago. Fat loss everywhere else was ok, not sure what the difference woul have been without var. Overall I'd say 6.5/10

Vascularity: Wow it's ramped up, tons of veins in my arms forearms chest etc. Flexing the forearms and seeing all those cuts and veins feels good 9/10

Pumps: They were hit and miss, some days I'd havae crazy pumps, other days I wouldn't. When they were on thy were good though 8/10

Strength: Strength topped out a few weeks ago, haven't been able to add any weight to chest or back. I think my body has gone as far as it can. 7/10

Overall I'll give the cycle a solid 7.5/10, it was definitely worth it, (since $ wasn't an issue). Now the plan is this. Later this week when I run out start the clomid, I've been taking hcgenerate the whole time and feeling good (mood has been ok) so I'm sure I won't need to pct too long, will do the full pct to be safe though, 3 weeks clomid.

Then I will keto cut until the end of April, then looking to run a test cycle in May for 12 weeks with some var at the end. First injectable so I would only feel comfortable stacking it with something I've taken before. Going to gain as much lean mass as possible until early August, then after the cycle and pct is over just cut to get shredded and then I should be at the size and definition I want enough to maintain.

For those bros who ask for pics I would appreciate some input as to my future cycle and if my goals are realistic. Cheers

 

[kkklick]

Forgot to add, weight as of yesterday is 186 morning time. Definitely looks like a different 186 than when i started

 

[kkklick]

can someone help me structure a cycle to run in May?

Thinking either Primo 12-14 weeks 600mg/ test 300mg (maybe throw a bit of var?)
or
Test 12 weeks 400 or 500mg Eq/ 70 mg var 6 weeks

Not sure I want to introduce 2 new compounds my body is foreign to (test primo) but not opposed to it, my goal would be to add muscle and lean out with few as few sides as possible. I also have a feeling I'm gyno sensitive, which is why i'm hesitant about test. Any input would be appreciated

 

[kkklick]

last 70 mg today

Lifts went up like crazy

Gains were slow so hopefully permanent

Got PCT ready to go starting tomorrow

Look way better now than 2 months ago, way better.

 

[miakis]

how did HCGenerate work for you throughout the cycle??