keeping 99% of the gains?

[shortstack]

see i can to the same conclution at my first cycle that i wanted to run var, and nothing else. but i still want to try new things, so far, i liked this cycle very much, and i really couldnt choose a favorite between var and npp. they both have pro's and cons that are diffrent from eachother. one thing tho, when i do run var again, which i will quite frequently, i will be using primo too. hey tboy, how long ago did you do the npp/sust, and your stil diminishing?

i totaly agree with you on the var! sure i can gain 20 lbs + from a npp/sust cycle/ woch i did this past cycle. my pct was very good imo yet the strength and my weight is diminishing. plus, i crashed for about 3 weeks and i felt like i was made of led. my body is rebounding better then i had hoped. except slowy but surly i keep loosing muscle.
BTG oxandrin on the other hand, on my first cycle, i also gained 20 + lbs and kept at least 90% of it! no side, fucked with sex drive very very little. no thining of the hair no any acne from that cycle. i realize i wont gain 20 lbs off each future var only cycles, but even if i can gain 7-10 lbs on each future var only cycles it will still be worth it!
whats weird is my goals at the very begining wre to get to 215 at 10 % bf. after the var only cycles i got to around 228 and bodyfat was under 10%. after the sust npp cycle i was up to 250. i didnt hold water either (1 mg a-dex ed) and i liked the way var made me look too......not TOO big, just hard and vascular in places i never though i would see vains.
i guess to sum it up from now on im just going to run btg var by itself 2 x's a year.

 

[t 12]

well i did npp and test prop for 5 1/2 weeks, gained 21lbs and 7 days later still up 20lbs and great workouts? i dont understand.... i mean im increadbly happy but..... my pct is clomid nolva a-dex, clen, and gh.

How much did you take? Also did you experience any sides? Why no HCG for your PCT?

 

[Anthony Starks]

You are not going to keep more of your gains with var, or any other steriod for that matter. Over time, your body will return to homeostasis no matter what drug you take and you will go back to your old body weight. There is no magic pill that will permanently increase your test levels, and that is really the only way you could keep gains permanently. The only reason stronger drugs like test, deca, dbol, etc, have a reputation for losing gains compared to anavar is that in addition to muscle they cause water retention, which sheds shortly after your cycle. The "gains" lost are mostly water at that point.

 

[tboy72]

see i can to the same conclution at my first cycle that i wanted to run var, and nothing else. but i still want to try new things, so far, i liked this cycle very much, and i really couldnt choose a favorite between var and npp. they both have pro's and cons that are diffrent from eachother. one thing tho, when i do run var again, which i will quite frequently, i will be using primo too. hey tboy, how long ago did you do the npp/sust, and your stil diminishing?

ive been off for almost 2 months now. i can tell im going to loose more size as the strength from the nnp and sust are gone. i also notice i need a lot more recovery time. i bet ill keep 10 lbs after all is said and done. but wit var i hardly lost anything, no sides, no crash, no zits, just rock hard lean muscle. the quality of the muscle from var is imo supirior to npp and or sust. im not sure since i never took either of them solo. also on the sust npp cyclei battled gyno throught.....thank god i won......i dont care what anyone says....i used nolva and than shit kinda keeps your gyno in check, but arimidex at 1 mg a day it keept off any bloat and the gyno symptoms where gone within 5 days!
arimidex from a us pharm is the way to go for gyno sysmptoms! just my .02

 

[Anthony Starks]

the quality of the muscle from var is imo supirior to npp and or sust.

I'm going to assume that you are talking about water retention and not that you actually grew better muscles on Var, because that is just retarded. Try taking an anti-estrogen with test to cut down on bloat and the problem is solved. The idea that you are going to keep the muscle gains from anavar better than with tests doesn't fly, the extra "gains" you are losing are just water.

 

[Ajax45]

You are not going to keep more of your gains with var, or any other steriod for that matter. Over time, your body will return to homeostasis no matter what drug you take and you will go back to your old body weight. There is no magic pill that will permanently increase your test levels, and that is really the only way you could keep gains permanently. The only reason stronger drugs like test, deca, dbol, etc, have a reputation for losing gains compared to anavar is that in addition to muscle they cause water retention, which sheds shortly after your cycle. The "gains" lost are mostly water at that point.

You're not really gonna call someone retarded after making a statement like this are you?

 

[Anthony Starks]

You're not really gonna call someone retarded after making a statement like this are you?

Like what? Please enlighten me.

 

[yomama]

I have to agree with ajax on your statement.

 

[Anthony Starks]

I have to agree with ajax on your statement.

I'm serious guys, tell me where I'm wrong, now I'm really confused.

 

[Anthony Starks]

I'm serious guys, tell me where I'm wrong, now I'm really confused.

Bump, I don't even know what you guys are saying is wrong.