keeping 99% of the gains?

[shortstack]

well i did npp and test prop for 5 1/2 weeks, gained 21lbs and 7 days later still up 20lbs and great workouts? i dont understand.... i mean im increadbly happy but..... my pct is clomid nolva a-dex, clen, and gh.

 

[satchboogie]

too early to get excited.

 

[Judo Tom]

just wait..

 

[shortstack]

what week do you guys usually notice the crash coming on with taking short ester aas?

 

[Judo Tom]

if you do pct you wont notice a huge crash but those gains will diminish slowly over time

 

[hard life]

same cycle, 6 weeks and have gained 25lbs, only I have been taking winny throughout. Stopped prop/npp at week 6 and will continue winny until week 8 and the start pct. I expect to lose a good 10lbs at least, have to be realistic. You will notice your gains slowly diminishing.

 

[dr0832]

You expect to lose 15 lbs? Why don't people just take stuff like var and winny that leave you with LBM? I mean you can most likely gain 1lb a week if you eat enough, and in a 10 week cycle you could have the same net weight gain. You wouldn't be shut down as hard with proper pct, so you would most likely keep a majority of the gains, from var or winny, and you wouldn;t have to deal with the sides you get from aromatizing gear. And if the excuse is price, order from asia, and its dirt cheap for var.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

well i did npp and test prop for 5 1/2 weeks, gained 21lbs and 7 days later still up 20lbs and great workouts? i dont understand.... i mean im increadbly happy but..... my pct is clomid nolva a-dex, clen, and gh.

You still have about 3 weeks at least to try to maintain it...7 days isn't long

 

[tboy72]

You expect to lose 15 lbs? Why don't people just take stuff like var and winny that leave you with LBM? I mean you can most likely gain 1lb a week if you eat enough, and in a 10 week cycle you could have the same net weight gain. You wouldn't be shut down as hard with proper pct, so you would most likely keep a majority of the gains, from var or winny, and you wouldn;t have to deal with the sides you get from aromatizing gear. And if the excuse is price, order from asia, and its dirt cheap for var.

i totaly agree with you on the var! sure i can gain 20 lbs + from a npp/sust cycle/ woch i did this past cycle. my pct was very good imo yet the strength and my weight is diminishing. plus, i crashed for about 3 weeks and i felt like i was made of led. my body is rebounding better then i had hoped. except slowy but surly i keep loosing muscle.
BTG oxandrin on the other hand, on my first cycle, i also gained 20 + lbs and kept at least 90% of it! no side, fucked with sex drive very very little. no thining of the hair no any acne from that cycle. i realize i wont gain 20 lbs off each future var only cycles, but even if i can gain 7-10 lbs on each future var only cycles it will still be worth it!
whats weird is my goals at the very begining wre to get to 215 at 10 % bf. after the var only cycles i got to around 228 and bodyfat was under 10%. after the sust npp cycle i was up to 250. i didnt hold water either (1 mg a-dex ed) and i liked the way var made me look too......not TOO big, just hard and vascular in places i never though i would see vains.
i guess to sum it up from now on im just going to run btg var by itself 2 x's a year.

 

[shortstack]

thanks for all your replies, ill keep you guys posted