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Juice is not magic!!!

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I have to vent this out to everyone. I was with some friends and we were just joking around flexing in the mirror at my apt. I am much larger then them but they are the type that go to the gym just to go to the gym Someone commented, "Well I would be that big if I stuck a needle in my ass" I almost flipped out on him. So many people have the misconception that if you use gear you will automatically blow up, BULLLLSHITT!!! It takes even more commitment, harder training and a stricter diet. Granted gear will aide in your devlopment it is certainly not a cure all I just hate people who think that if they use gear, they will be the next Ronnie.
 
It takes years of working out ,trying supplements, eating right, before you do steroids. If it came out of a bottle don't you think everyone would have a great body. Your right ,Juice is not Magic. Even a Magician practices for years before he can perform.
 
It is magic!! Comon man, I barely got the needle out of my ass before I looked like Arnold :p :D You mean that didn't happen to you???

-Spidey
 
I cant agree more. My girlfriend said to me a couple of nights ago that if natural bodybuilders took A.S. they would be bigger than me easily because of the way they train.

It really pissed me off especially as she sees how much effort I put into every aspect of my bodybuilding lifestyle.
 
HGH man said:
It takes years of working out ,trying supplements, eating right, before you do steroids. If it came out of a bottle don't you think everyone would have a great body. Your right ,Juice is not Magic. Even a Magician practices for years before he can perform.
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i agreed 100% but the juice pull my foot out the grave:vanp:
 
Juice is just a boost. It does not make miracles/dreams come true but it does help you a lot. People think that just by going on they will get huge but little do they know that diet is #1 in gaining followed by training. I have seen people who went on a cycle, didnt eat much because they were lazy and thought juice would do it all and ended up losing wieght on a bulking cycle. I have seen people who say the same things to me like " Wait til this summer when I go on and I will be bigger than you!!". I just laugh and say" buddy I have given you 3 years and you still havent caught up so what makes you think you can do it now??"


My advice is to not take things personally because they will find out sooner or later what it takes and it will happen!!
 
YOU ARE ALL SO FULL OF SHIT...

You can tell yourselves whatever makes you feel good, but the truth of the matter is, juice will give you an unparalleled advantage. Compare a guy who trains like a madman, eats a perfect diet, takes every supplements in the world and put him up against a guy who trains 3X's a week and eats normally but takes 25 mgs of d-bol a day, and 9 times out of 10 he's going to be more muscular and continue to progress far faster than the first guy.

What I'm most proud of is a before and after picture of myself on my site where I show my progress as a natural. Natural bodybuilders appreciate it but most everyone who has juiced responds with a "big deal." I've also made great progress on the tiniest amounts of juice using methods that took years to develop, but again, who cares when you can do a gram of test a week and grow like crazy even if you train wrong. Most members of this board will never learn how to train correctly because they'll never have to.

As Dan Duchaine said "Steroids are the rabbit in the hat, and the ace up the sleeve." With them, you will look like a bodybuilder. Without them, most people will mearly look "fit."

What I'm saying isn't a dismissal or a condemnation. It's just the way it is -- which is fine -- but stop thumping your chest with pride because you think you work hard for what you've got. That's like winning a marathon by taking a car service to the finish line and complaining about the traffic along the way.
 
yea steroids most definatly help and my friends make comments all the time--my nickname is "meatsauce" but i just laugh cuz its pretty funny cuz i DO work harder then any friend or anyone i know of!!--whether its diet or training---
 
HULKSTER said:
NELSON'S BACK!
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No, just visiting. I skim the boards every few days and usually leave out of disgust or disinterest. This thread caught my eye and I said what I said. I won't be debating it.
 
This pic of you is at 42, right?
tan-man-nelson-montana.jpg

How old are you now? just curious...
 
Yep. 42-43. Compare that to the embarassing "before" picture. And in case anyone is all set to shout "lipo!!!" That pic was taken before the sugery -- which may not have been the best decision, but that's another story.

Today I'm 49 -- still holding on despite persistant injuries which came from when I did the WRONG things before I knew better. I look pretty much the same except my skin around the pecs is a tad looser. (Aging sucks). Still, almost no wrinkles and I can still run a 10 minute mile dispite the act that I haven't done any aerobics since 1996.
 
Nelson Montana said:
YOU ARE ALL SO FULL OF SHIT...

You can tell yourselves whatever makes you feel good, but the truth of the matter is, juice will give you an unparalleled advantage. Compare a guy who trains like a madman, eats a perfect diet, takes every supplements in the world and put him up against a guy who trains 3X's a week and eats normally but takes 25 mgs of d-bol a day, and 9 times out of 10 he's going to be more muscular and continue to progress far faster than the first guy.

What I'm most proud of is a before and after picture of myself on my site where I show my progress as a natural. Natural bodybuilders appreciate it but most everyone who has juiced responds with a "big deal." I've also made great progress on the tiniest amounts of juice using methods that took years to develop, but again, who cares when you can do a gram of test a week and grow like crazy even if you train wrong. Most members of this board will never learn how to train correctly because they'll never have to.

As Dan Duchaine said "Steroids are the rabbit in the hat, and the ace up the sleeve." With them, you will look like a bodybuilder. Without them, most people will mearly look "fit."

What I'm saying isn't a dismissal or a condemnation. It's just the way it is -- which is fine -- but stop thumping your chest with pride because you think you work hard for what you've got. That's like winning a marathon by taking a car service to the finish line and complaining about the traffic along the way.
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Bullshit, aas gives you better tools to inturn grow at a more rapid rate. Call it upping your genetic potential, but the work still has to be put in daily.

How many guys sauce, only to gain nothing or look like shit...nothing can replace good clean hard work.
 
I hear what nelson is saying however, I was much bigger then all my friends who make comments before running gear. The comparison and qoute by Dan Duchaine is true but all in all, if your heart is not in your training the gear will be a waste of money.
 
NELSON...

good to see you posting here again. i missed you bro.

how's everything?
 
Wyllis said:
I cant agree more. My girlfriend said to me a couple of nights ago that if natural bodybuilders took A.S. they would be bigger than me easily because of the way they train.

It really pissed me off especially as she sees how much effort I put into every aspect of my bodybuilding lifestyle.
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what the hell is a natural bodybuilder?
 
Juice IS magic! Granted, you can take all the juice in the world, and if you don't work out and eat properly juice won't help much. However you take two guys, same age, same stats, same good training, same good nutrition. One takes juice for a few years, the other doesn't. The juiceless guy will probably be slim and somewhat defined. The juiced guy will be much much bigger. I am 37y.o. For most of my life I didn't do any kind of sport or activity and didn't follow a good nutrition plan. Then three years ago I decided I wanted to be a muscle man. I hired a trainer, started working out seriously almost every day, started eating very lean and clean and started AS. I basically never cycled, but have been on a steady moderate dose mostly test and deca. I am 5'6. Three years ago I was 145 lbs with 22% bf. Now I am almost 180 with 7%. There is no way I could have added all those pounds and shed all that fat in less than three years without the help of my beloved juice.
 
True Nelson, but there are still those who are looking for a magic pill where they can sit on the couch and look good. Then there are also the others who take training seriously and use gear to compliment their training.

I sold some gear to a friend of mine a few years back. After 6 weeks of using he didnt gain shit. He accused me of selling him fake gear. Now ... that same "fake gear" put 15 lbs of solid mass on me. These were the exact same prods. So ... you tell me? I would always see him socializing at the gym, while I was damn near ready to faint! I guess that you will get what you put into it.

Mavy
 
Gear makes it easier, and can also raise your growth potential. Nlischi, I don't agree with you about the guy off gear only being slim and somewhat defined. I'm bigger than a lot of the guys that I know who are doing the sauce (most of them were small to begin with) and I'm still preparing for a first cycle. Granted I have good genetics, but a lot of it is hard work and experience. Bottom line is, the juice won't be lifting the weights for me, the juice won't be picking and eating the food for me, and the juice won't be getting the sleep for me. I do this, and the gear is just a tool in the box.
 
yes, gear does provide an UNPARALLED advantage--but it took alot of hard work to get to the point that i felt i was ready for gear(and i think i may still have been premature)But my parents caught me, and they look at me like all the gains i have made have been because of this stupid little amp--sure it gave i a huge advantage to go above and beyond, but it took hard work, and still does
 
I TOTALLY AGREE with you on this one. Everything that I've read supports this.
Nelson Montana said:
YOU ARE ALL SO FULL OF SHIT...

You can tell yourselves whatever makes you feel good, but the truth of the matter is, juice will give you an unparalleled advantage. Compare a guy who trains like a madman, eats a perfect diet, takes every supplements in the world and put him up against a guy who trains 3X's a week and eats normally but takes 25 mgs of d-bol a day, and 9 times out of 10 he's going to be more muscular and continue to progress far faster than the first guy.

What I'm most proud of is a before and after picture of myself on my site where I show my progress as a natural. Natural bodybuilders appreciate it but most everyone who has juiced responds with a "big deal." I've also made great progress on the tiniest amounts of juice using methods that took years to develop, but again, who cares when you can do a gram of test a week and grow like crazy even if you train wrong. Most members of this board will never learn how to train correctly because they'll never have to.

As Dan Duchaine said "Steroids are the rabbit in the hat, and the ace up the sleeve." With them, you will look like a bodybuilder. Without them, most people will mearly look "fit."

What I'm saying isn't a dismissal or a condemnation. It's just the way it is -- which is fine -- but stop thumping your chest with pride because you think you work hard for what you've got. That's like winning a marathon by taking a car service to the finish line and complaining about the traffic along the way.
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wow many arguments here are the closed to stupid thing I've read today.

I've been working out for a little bit more than a year, and made some very solid gains (30-35 pounds). But, I somewhere hit a plateau since 3-4 months. It sucks big time. There was a dude, working out since a longer time than me, he was way less stronger than me, and not even working out as good as I do. He took some AAS and now look like an ASS. No j-k. He's jacked now. He once told me : hey I need a spot. I said ok. I had to touch his skin because I was spotting him (duh) and I had to wash my hands twice after this because his skin was too oily. Now he has acne like a 14 yo dude while he's 26 (I has never seen any acne on him before). Well, all this make me thinks he's juicing. Anyways, at some point we had a very similar physique. I worked out slightly harder and eated way better since I'm a freak about food. Now, you know what? He's done two cycles now I guess and he's huge like a mothafucker and there's absolutly no way my physique is close to his. Remember we were at the same level and I was stronger, eating better and training better (I'm not bullshiting anyone, it's the fuck*** truth). Well, you deserved your gains with aas as well but it prolly did a lot of the work.
 
i'm confused....there was a thread that said EQ is the magical steroid the other day. what gives? :confused:
 
Koivu_11 said:
wow many arguments here are the closed to stupid thing I've read today.

I've been working out for a little bit more than a year, and made some very solid gains (30-35 pounds). But, I somewhere hit a plateau since 3-4 months. It sucks big time. There was a dude, working out since a longer time than me, he was way less stronger than me, and not even working out as good as I do. He took some AAS and now look like an ASS. No j-k. He's jacked now. He once told me : hey I need a spot. I said ok. I had to touch his skin because I was spotting him (duh) and I had to wash my hands twice after this because his skin was too oily. Now he has acne like a 14 yo dude while he's 26 (I has never seen any acne on him before). Well, all this make me thinks he's juicing. Anyways, at some point we had a very similar physique. I worked out slightly harder and eated way better since I'm a freak about food. Now, you know what? He's done two cycles now I guess and he's huge like a mothafucker and there's absolutly no way my physique is close to his. Remember we were at the same level and I was stronger, eating better and training better (I'm not bullshiting anyone, it's the fuck*** truth). Well, you deserved your gains with aas as well but it prolly did a lot of the work.
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What are you whining about? You've been training for a year and hit a 3-4 month plateau oh waaaaaahhhhh:bawling:
BTW it's hard to gain more than 26-28lbs of LEAN mass per year and that's VERY optimum. Sorry but I think you're full of shit.
Goddamn I get sick and tired of guys whining this type of argument. Why can't you just be proud of what you've attained naturally instead of bitching about others who use gear? Seems to me people they need to have their slef confidence checked- worrying about the weight everyone else is moving and keep their minds on their own workouts. "I could do that workout too if I was on gear...". Heres a hot tip to those who cry this statement like bitchy whores- life isn't fair so quit your goddamn whining.
 
HighIntensity said:


Bullshit, aas gives you better tools to inturn grow at a more rapid rate. Call it upping your genetic potential, but the work still has to be put in daily.

How many guys sauce, only to gain nothing or look like shit...nothing can replace good clean hard work.
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Thank you HI. I know a guy who sat around and worked out like a bitch and only ate what his mom cooked but took fina eod or something like that and still looks like shit. I explained to him everyday the importance of high protein. he said he would get fat cause thats how he is. I said no u need more meals and clean. bottom line is he didnt eat right or train right i was natural and looked better. Its not magic. I saw kids in the gym this week who must have gotten their hands on some test and look bloated and disgusting. Not like a bodybuilder. What i am trying to say is i wouldnt put octane fuel in a corolla and show up to the indy 500. it takes alot more than that.

TTORO
 
It all comes down to how you define "magic." You've been training for a couple years, gaining 30 lbs of mostly lean tissue, then all of a sudden the scale doesn't move for a few weeks, a few weeks become a couple months. Something must be wrong so you start changing up your routine and increasing your calories but you're just getting fatter. After about eight months of not gaining weight and very little gains in strength you decide to experimet with the "dark side." You take two amps of sten per week for two weeks and gain twelve pounds while your lifts go up 10%-15% across the board, it was pretty magical to me.
 
JavaGuru said:
It all comes down to how you define "magic." You've been training for a couple years, gaining 30 lbs of mostly lean tissue, then all of a sudden the scale doesn't move for a few weeks, a few weeks become a couple months. Something must be wrong so you start changing up your routine and increasing your calories but you're just getting fatter. After about eight months of not gaining weight and very little gains in strength you decide to experimet with the "dark side." You take two amps of sten per week for two weeks and gain twelve pounds while your lifts go up 10%-15% across the board, it was pretty magical to me.
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i knew they were magic. :D
 
Stop all the bitching. All that juice does is improve your recovery ability. So basically anyone that can't gain for shit while natural will have limited sucess with juice. This limited sucess will cause them to use ever escalating dosages.

The FACT is that all the juiced up champs would still be champs if they were naturall. To train naturall you have to be smart, not some dude in the gym doing 20 sets for every body part and swearing you are "intense" and work your balls off. You will make no progress that way. Your body has a limited ammount of resourcess to grow muscle and you must not overuse them. Now add ENOUGH juice and you will start to grow.

I will tell you one thing, in the gyms i went to the "in" crowd will tell you that close to 75% of the guys on the gym take some juice, some a little some a lot, but only 2-3 gys in the gym will look it. What does that tell you.
 
SwitchedOn said:

What are you whining about? You've been training for a year and hit a 3-4 month plateau oh waaaaaahhhhh:bawling:
BTW it's hard to gain more than 26-28lbs of LEAN mass per year and that's VERY optimum. Sorry but I think you're full of shit.
Goddamn I get sick and tired of guys whining this type of argument. Why can't you just be proud of what you've attained naturally instead of bitching about others who use gear? Seems to me people they need to have their slef confidence checked- worrying about the weight everyone else is moving and keep their minds on their own workouts. "I could do that workout too if I was on gear...". Heres a hot tip to those who cry this statement like bitchy whores- life isn't fair so quit your goddamn whining.
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Well, I'm not bitching at all, I'm just saying it's done some magic on him. He was stuck at some level, I got easily at his level and then he juiced. Holy crap he's so much bigger than me it's laughable now. I'm proud of my gains and will stay natural for a while since I want more natural gains and more time before I juice. I just turned 18 lol. But, you don't have to insult me because I said what's the truth when one takes aas. He's blown up while I didn't grown much. I mean, it's actually a pretty revelant case of what kind of results you can expect from aas.
 
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