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Joe D's pct after 2+ years on aas log

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i am attempting to come off of aas for good. i will start with the backround. i have been running aas non stop for over 2 years. most of this 2 years has been blasting (3 weeks) with 3g of gear, and cruzing (2 weeks) with 300mg off gear. the last 6 months i have been running much less at 250mg being the highest dose. the last month has been nothing more that 100mg test. i have also stopped gh, slin, ect.
stats are currently 5'5" 218lbs 9-11% bf and dropping.
i am also giving up bb'ing. i will continue to train and diet for health only which i happen to be lucky enough to hold some nice muscle that way to.
my goal is to be steroid free and reach a normal natural test level. then i will continue with sups and fitness as a natural. i may even decide to do a little bb'ng later on who knows.
ths is the log starter. once i have the detals i will post them in and keep it updated.
 
i have ran a week of hcgenerate at 10 caps ed and am currently running 6 caps ed staying full ready to start pct soon.
 
thanks. just a couple more days now ill be getting started. today is day 8 rom my last 100mg test e shot. nuts are all hcgenerated and ready to go lol
 
pct started today.

100mg clomid ed
20mg nolva ed
sustain alpha ed
5 caps hcgenerate ed
3 caps unleashed ed
3g vit c ed
10g creatine ed
 
thanks. either way it will work out. if i need trt then i need it. i just cant settle for it not knowing if i could have recovered.
 
A good life decision to get off, as gear is not ultimately a sustainable lifestyle. I am happy you are logging this here and I hope you continue to (w/ blood tests). I wish you the best.
 
stv8950 said:
has anyone used sustain alpha with good results? just curious since this is a post cycle thread
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this would have been better asked in your own thread in the sups section. i have used sustain alpha in the past successully and i have read countless other success stories. ive never tried the new lv version but ive heard mixed reviews about it. i would stick with the topical.
 
just an update. nothing really new still doing the same thing. its been 11 days since my last test e shot. i still feel fine.
 
12 days since last test e shot. still good so far. a little sluggish but no big deal yet.
 
13 days since last test e shot. still feeling ok. weight loss has tapered down and im comfortable with things so far. im still on the pct exactly as stated. im debating on when to lower the clomid dose to 50mg ed.
 
about 5 years. but i also trained a lot as a kid that im not counting in this 5 years.
 
joe d said:
about 5 years. but i also trained a lot as a kid that im not counting in this 5 years.
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Your stats are awesome, 5'5" 218lbs 9-11%.

That's seriously muscular for a guy your height.

I'm 5'07" my goal is to reach 200lb. My body fat is currently 11% all natural. I can't imagine being 218lb and I'm 2" taller!

Do you remember what your stats were before you started juicing?
 
Discreet User said:
Your stats are awesome, 5'5" 218lbs 9-11%.

That's seriously muscular for a guy your height.

I'm 5'07" my goal is to reach 200lb. My body fat is currently 11% all natural. I can't imagine being 218lb and I'm 2" taller!

Do you remember what your stats were before you started juicing?
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i was about 210 i think but with about 18% bf. at my peak with gear i was 275-280lbs 20%bf.
 
joe d said:
i was about 210 i think but with about 18% bf. at my peak with gear i was 275-280lbs 20%bf.
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Bro, that is fucking huge!

I'll be so happy if I can just hit 200lb keeping around my current bf%, but I guess BB is one of those things where as soon as you hit a goal, you just want to keep growing and set a new goal.

You had a good base before gear though, as 210lb at your height with 18% bf is still muscular.

How did you get that heavy naturally, how many calories per day?
 
Discreet User said:
Bro, that is fucking huge!

I'll be so happy if I can just hit 200lb keeping around my current bf%, but I guess BB is one of those things where as soon as you hit a goal, you just want to keep growing and set a new goal.

You had a good base before gear though, as 210lb at your height with 18% bf is still muscular.

How did you get that heavy naturally, how many calories per day?
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around 5k cals. my body holds mass well. my organs are what dont agree. they cant take the abuse.
 
its been 14 days and the bomb has dropped lol. i feel like i knew i would. just really down. it came on suddenly last night. the good news is that my sex drive is un effected so far.
 
alright well its day 15 and things have calmed. that initial shock hit me the night before last where i couldnt sleap and i elt like shit into yesturday. i dont feel to bad now. a little low in the energy department but no complaints. im still getting no ed issues. which is amazing.
 
:shocked: 2+ years ON AAS man :insane: :)

god bleSS U , hope u get it perfectly

i dont know u well , but seeing above comments seems ur , true vetren


good luck big guy , with everything that u do in future . :)
 
joe d said:
alright well its day 15 and things have calmed. that initial shock hit me the night before last where i couldnt sleap and i elt like shit into yesturday. i dont feel to bad now. a little low in the energy department but no complaints. im still getting no ed issues. which is amazing.
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mabe you could use some green tea extract for a little energy boost since your trying to loose weight... may not be the greatest if your having trouble sleeping.... Its a stand up thing to make a thread like this.... I would think most would just fade into the shadows..... I to have been thinking of staying natty or at least cycling as little as possible... Theres just so many supps that work good now without the health risk. and health should be the main objective!
 
sharkmaster said:
mabe you could use some green tea extract for a little energy boost since your trying to loose weight... may not be the greatest if your having trouble sleeping.... Its a stand up thing to make a thread like this.... I would think most would just fade into the shadows..... I to have been thinking of staying natty or at least cycling as little as possible... Theres just so many supps that work good now without the health risk. and health should be the main objective!
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interesting suff here. i have been drinking green tea, i just use 12 tea bags per gallon of water and drink at least one per day.

im good on the weight loss now. im avoiding the scale but i think im down probably to just over 200lbs and around 12%.

i have no issues with the thread. it is what it is. i just dont have the ambition to be the best anymore (not at bbing). i dont even want to compete. i just want to look good, be strong, and be healthy into my old age. i can do all of that as a natty.

the log is just so we can all see together how this long road unfolds. i have put my body through tremendous stress over the last 5 or so years. my test has been shut down through over 2 of them. i think it will be a miracle if i recover.
 
16 days since last shot. still feel pretty good considering.... im losing a little sleep, my moods are good just a little calmer than normal. ambition and energy are a little down but ts not hard to work through that. no complaints. this has turned into a cake walk.
i am extremely impressed with the way things are going. now hopefully i recover lol.
 
Good luck bro. I think you'll be fine. It took me around 5 1/2 months after a year straight. I get wood at the drop of a hat now. (natural)
Your a little younger than me also. Not that that is a huge issue.
One or two pins of HMG would likely give you a serious boot in the ass towards recovery too. I spent some lengthy PM's with Nelson about this last year. The recomended dose is way overkill. One or two 75mg pokes would likely be enough. Unfortunatley it was out of stock when I went to get it for myself.
 
17 days. the only change is the tiredness and sluggishness. it comes and goes more now instead of always feeling that way its back and forth a couple times per day. i want to take that as a sign of recovery happening. what do you guys think?
 
Joe quick question, why on earth were you on for two years straight? Were you afraid of losing your gains or what? And do you think you will still be fertile?
 
aussiebra said:
Joe quick question, why on earth were you on for two years straight? Were you afraid of losing your gains or what? And do you think you will still be fertile?
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i already have a family of 6 so no worries about kids. the 2 years i refered to are the last 2 years of use where i was blasting and cruizing. this is the more4 advanced level of se that also comes with more risks. my choice to blast and cruize was part of my bb'ing goals.
 
joe d said:
16 days since last shot. still feel pretty good considering.... im losing a little sleep, my moods are good just a little calmer than normal. ambition and energy are a little down but ts not hard to work through that. no complaints. this has turned into a cake walk.
i am extremely impressed with the way things are going. now hopefully i recover lol.
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Thats good news Joe, sounds like PCT is going well.
When are you planning on getting some blood work done ?
 
columbo888 said:
Thats good news Joe, sounds like PCT is going well.
When are you planning on getting some blood work done ?
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after this pct im going to wait a month and see how i feel. if i have symptoms of really low test i will run another pct. if i feel ok then i will get blood work to confirm.
 
19 days since last shot everything is still the same. sluggishness, somewhat low ambition ect. not bad. i mad a little change and started taking 2 caps hcgenerate in the morning, my 3 unleashed mid day, and 2 more hcgenerate at bed time.
 
joe d said:
19 days since last shot everything is still the same. sluggishness, somewhat low ambition ect. not bad. i mad a little change and started taking 2 caps hcgenerate in the morning, my 3 unleashed mid day, and 2 more hcgenerate at bed time.
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I had the same sluggishness, sleep forever, lazy ect ect. Even if you feel so so in a good way after this PCT or another the main thing is just going to be time. I felt great on HCgenerate and unleashed but after it stopped i went back to feeling assy. Not in the mood for pussy, ect. No matter how good or not so good you feel its just gonna take time for everything to get completely back to normal. Knowing your past regimen I would speculate (just guessing) 6-8 months anyways.
 
21 days since last shot. my pct started on 6/15. nothing different yet. my recovery ability took a serous drop all at once. friday was leg day. i did 6 moderate sets of atg squats, 4 sets of moderate weight leg extentions, and 1 40 rep rp set of standing calf raises my whole lower body from glutes down is completely trashed. i can hardly walk lol. just 2 days beore that i trained the same way but it was back day so i was dead lifting and had no issues. needless to say im going to have to calm it down a lot more for a while.
 
joe d said:
21 days since last shot. my pct started on 6/15. nothing different yet. my recovery ability took a serous drop all at once. friday was leg day. i did 6 moderate sets of atg squats, 4 sets of moderate weight leg extentions, and 1 40 rep rp set of standing calf raises my whole lower body from glutes down is completely trashed. i can hardly walk lol. just 2 days beore that i trained the same way but it was back day so i was dead lifting and had no issues. needless to say im going to have to calm it down a lot more for a while.
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I admire your tenacity Joe D.

Have you considered a lower volume, higher frequency training program such as HST? It may work better for you now that you're "off."
 
Discreet User said:
I admire your tenacity Joe D.

Have you considered a lower volume, higher frequency training program such as HST? It may work better for you now that you're "off."
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im looking in that direction. i havent finished working it out yet. im sure i will have to keep altering the training or a while. thanks
 
went to the gym today and did 3 10 rep sets of db flat bench and 3 sets of standing ohp then left lol. my legs are finally starting to feel better to but they are still achy. pct is still the same.
 
Will you consider hcg or hmg if you go get your bloods and dicover that you haven't recovered? I know you mentioned running a longer pct if you haven't recovered. If this is the case then maybe try hitting hcg/hmg for a couple weeks to get the boys to wake up and then start another pct...
 
Are you taking a pre-workout supp to keep focus and motivation up ? or are you getting enough from the unleashed and hcgenerate ...?
 
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columbo888 said:
Are you taking a pre-workout supp Joe to keep focus and motivation up ? or are you getting enough from the unleashed and hcgenerate ...?
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no sups other than for my natural test recovery. i want to be fresh when i start a sup cycle to try to put a little mass back on. im on creatine and i take it pre w/o
 
when you were on cycle for that long what happened to your "boys"? did they receded or just get really small

if its too personal of a q i understand. just curious
 
cgar1228 said:
Will you consider hcg or hmg if you go get your bloods and dicover that you haven't recovered? I know you mentioned running a longer pct if you haven't recovered. If this is the case then maybe try hitting hcg/hmg for a couple weeks to get the boys to wake up and then start another pct...
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if i fail the first time im going to use hmg on the next try.
 
anabolict said:
when you were on cycle for that long what happened to your "boys"? did they receded or just get really small

if its too personal of a q i understand. just curious
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they did both but the hcgenerate did a pretty damn good job of reversing it then the first day of clomid seamed to bring them back to perfect.
 
2 weeks into pct now. my energy has improved a little the last couple days and my workouts have gotten a little better over the last couple days also.
 
im starting to fill back up again a little and am feeling normal today. w/o recovery is still pretty shitty. im training with 6-9 total sets 3x per week. its odd but my muscles look fuller. my wife woke up this morning thinking i went back on lol. she said i look like i gained 10lbs over night
 
joe d said:
im starting to fill back up again a little and am feeling normal today. w/o recovery is still pretty shitty. im training with 6-9 total sets 3x per week. its odd but my muscles look fuller. my wife woke up this morning thinking i went back on lol. she said i look like i gained 10lbs over night
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damn that's pretty cool. any guess as to what is going on? after my cycle i looked a lot bigger b/c i dropped about 8 lbs of water weight i was carrying..
 
Joe D,
You've got lots of followers on this thread bro!
Thanks for commenting on my acne thread. I just had labs competed yesterday and will soon have my full acne/accutane article up.

Can you tell us about your experience with HCG? In this thread starter you don't mention it...
 
i didnt use hcg as a part of my pct. i find that hcgenerate brings my nuts back just as good plus it gives me a big libedo boost.
 
my strength took a big dive as soon as my test levels did. its comming back somewhat now.
 
some bad news on recovery.
i woke up with slight chest pains today and talked to a doc over the phone. after hearing what he had to say im convinced i could be stressing my heart with this recovery attempt. i am going back on trt for a little while, while i plan the next pct attempt. the next one will use hmg and i dont know what else yet.
 
joe d said:
some bad news on recovery.
i woke up with slight chest pains today and talked to a doc over the phone. after hearing what he had to say im convinced i could be stressing my heart with this recovery attempt. i am going back on trt for a little while, while i plan the next pct attempt. the next one will use hmg and i dont know what else yet.
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Better safe than sorry bro. You gave it a valiant attempt. I agree with you next time should definetly be hmg or hcg first then kill the clomid, nolva, and unleashed. Apparently Tribulus is good to condition the nuts for HCG theropy; maybe try that next time 2 wks before. I know hcgenerate has bulgarian trib so that works..
 
cgar1228 said:
Better safe than sorry bro. You gave it a valiant attempt. I agree with you next time should definetly be hmg or hcg first then kill the clomid, nolva, and unleashed. Apparently Tribulus is good to condition the nuts for HCG theropy; maybe try that next time 2 wks before. I know hcgenerate has bulgarian trib so that works..
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good idea thanks
 
joe d said:
some bad news on recovery.
i woke up with slight chest pains today and talked to a doc over the phone. after hearing what he had to say im convinced i could be stressing my heart with this recovery attempt. i am going back on trt for a little while, while i plan the next pct attempt. the next one will use hmg and i dont know what else yet.
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Joe D,
Good to hear you're being monitored by a physician.

You definitely made a great attempt with your PCT.
 
Discreet User said:
Joe D,
Good to hear you're being monitored by a physician.

You definitely made a great attempt with your PCT.
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i am not really being monitored. when i was on high doses i was watched closely with constant blood work and xray. now im broke lol but my mother runs a large medical practice and through her i can communicate with a doctor that knows me and my bodybuilding very well. i have been winging it in pct this go. the only bloods i would have gotten would be to confirm recovery if i thought i was successful.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
Whats the latest joe? How you feeling?
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doing well no more chest pain. workouts are back to normal diet is low fat high prot high complex carb. filled back up to about 215-218 again. bf is around 10% since i cut the fats. i was around 12%. feeling good again mood wise. back to bending shit up at the y lol. they need some texas power bars.
 
joe d said:
doing well no more chest pain. workouts are back to normal diet is low fat high prot high complex carb. filled back up to about 215-218 again. bf is around 10% since i cut the fats. i was around 12%. feeling good again mood wise. back to bending shit up at the y lol. they need some texas power bars.
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Sounds good JoeD.

Are you still on TRT now?
 
joe d said:
doing well no more chest pain. workouts are back to normal diet is low fat high prot high complex carb. filled back up to about 215-218 again. bf is around 10% since i cut the fats. i was around 12%. feeling good again mood wise. back to bending shit up at the y lol. they need some texas power bars.
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Awsome bro. Glad your feeling and doing better. :evil:
 
Good to hear that you feeling better big guy!
It's tough to cut out test after 2 years of continuous use. Your body is just not used to not have any...scarry about the chest pain!
Do you think it might be helpful to taper off the test so your body wont have to go cold turkey?
Even if you have to do 50mg a week over a period of few weeks...just a thought

I would also cut back on the workouts volume and intensity as your body will be to weak to sustain heavy loads and dont want to compromise your immune system too much. Most likely you will end up well under 200lbs anyway by the time your recovery is fully done unfortunately. But once recovered im sure you will have no problem bouncing back!

good luck man
 
ok im back off the gear. my big stressers are gone and i feel good. right now im taking nothing more than hcgenerate and unleashed. once the crash hits i will start with the nolva/clomid. i am not weight training, eating right, or doing cardio lol im just working long hours and tring to recover. once the gras cutting season is over i'll get back in the gym. and i can still out squat and dl most of you bastards so i dont want to hear shit about not training jk.
 
joe d said:
ok im back off the gear. my big stressers are gone and i feel good. right now im taking nothing more than hcgenerate and unleashed. once the crash hits i will start with the nolva/clomid. i am not weight training, eating right, or doing cardio lol im just working long hours and tring to recover. once the gras cutting season is over i'll get back in the gym. and i can still out squat and dl most of you bastards so i dont want to hear shit about not training jk.
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Are you trying the HMG this time?
 
Guys, Joe is banned. This is the one and only time I will mention this on the training forums. Anytime this question or topic comes up again, chances are people will get banned. Thanks.
 
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