Jeez, somebody took his job too seriously...

[danielson]

So is it alright for him to kill himself and abandon his family? Because that is what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that it's wrong and that he should not have done it. Are you suggesting that his course of action was acceptable? Now, I'm not asking you if you can understand why he did it. I'm sure you can understand why "mass murderer A" killed X number of people, but you wouldn't consider it acceptable.

Is this police officers actions acceptable, yes or no? If no, then what is it that you're trying to accomplish by arguing with me?

lol...i actiually went back and checked why i was arguin after my last post i think i am arguing that u seem to think his mistake is something he never should have done, and that when u or others make mistakes u fix em or face the consequences.

thats just it though. mistakes happen when lives are on the line. firemen, soldiers, doctors, lawyers.....all make mistakes. so yes he could have made a mistake about the serial number and rather than their being an excuse it could have been just negligence.

im not arguing against the general content of your posts just ur tone on them i guess.....he was at fault the first time and he made a mistake. the fact he killed himself doesnt make him a fuckup it just shows how frail the human psyche is

It says he transposed two digits, i.e., he saw both digits and put one where the other was supposed to be. Run the damn thing twice to make sure - it's not a candy bar, it's a gun.

hey.....in hospitals KCL is administeredin fatal dosages and blood groups are mixed up. tiredness does things to ya

He didn't care for his family. If he did, he would not have committed suicide and left his mourning widow behind to care for six children. If he was even remotely responsible as a youth, his oldest child couldn't be older than 17 (that's assuming he had his first child at age 18, which is a mistake but is better than anything younger). How old are his other children? 10? 5? 2? I don't think his life insurance plan, if any, covered suicide. His wife and kids are fucked, and he must have known that prior to killing himself. Of course, why should he have cared - he won't be around to answer for it.

OK, it's a hard job, so is that of a fire fighter, a lawyer, a doctor, a computer programmer, an automechanic, and a damn burger flipper. If someone can't do a job without minimizing the fuckups and not killing himself afterwards, then he should find himself another job.

-Warik

again your thinking rationally.

because of the failed stop, 5 peolpe were dead. he probably couldnt handle it. you thinkany of this stuff was going thru his head? he was probably so ashamed and racking his brain with anguish he decided to end it. he probably loved his family to bits....the rasmifications of his actions would probably have never crossed his mind

he had 11yrs service prior and im guessing probably quite a good record. prior to the stop he probably was a typical cop. anyone can flip out like that....soldiers do it....should they not be soldiers. his psych exam missed the traits......strong emotional trauma can do odd things

 

[Warik]

again your thinking rationally.

Now I don't understand. When did thinking rationally become a problem? The only alternative to thinking rationally is thinking irrationally, which is what the cop was doing when he decided to kill himself and abandon his family, which I believe we both agree was not the right thing to do.... right? So why is thinking rationally wrong? Perhaps you want me to think irrationally and kill myself because I think I'm losing this argument, when in fact if I were thinking rationally, I'd see that we're not arguing about anything because we both agree!

because of the failed stop, 5 peolpe were dead. he probably couldnt handle it. you thinkany of this stuff was going thru his head? he was probably so ashamed and racking his brain with anguish he decided to end it. he probably loved his family to bits....the rasmifications of his actions would probably have never crossed his mind

Again, I understand that the tragedy as an indirect result of his negligence was very much, obviously too much, for him to bear. But the fact remains, what he did (committing suicide) was wrong.

Let's try to analyze this differently. Suppose there exists a police officer with a wife and 6 minors to support. Let's also suppose that there is a criminal who was on probation, got stopped by said police officer, violated his parole by drinking and driving, and was sent to jail. After magically escaping prison, knowing that his life is now fucked up and angry at the world, he decides to go kill said cop, leaving his wife and children on their own.

Did the murderer have his own reasons to commit his vile act, which he believed were sufficient to justify his actions? Yes.

Was his action morally or legally appropriate? No.

he had 11yrs service prior and im guessing probably quite a good record.

That's quite a big assumption... the government has been running the U.S.A. for 226 years. =)

-Warik

 

[danielson]

Now I don't understand. When did thinking rationally become a problem? The only alternative to thinking rationally is thinking irrationally, which is what the cop was doing when he decided to kill himself and abandon his family, which I believe we both agree was not the right thing to do.... right? So why is thinking rationally wrong? Perhaps you want me to think irrationally and kill myself because I think I'm losing this argument, when in fact if I were thinking rationally, I'd see that we're not arguing about anything because we both agree!

because you are being really harsh to the cop. have a little love man. seriously thats the only reason im arguing.....ur asssuming he was a bad father, a neglegent cop who makes mistakes....im saying try seeing things from his eyes, maybe ull be a bit more sympathetic towards him

Let's try to analyze this differently. Suppose there exists a police officer with a wife and 6 minors to support. Let's also suppose that there is a criminal who was on probation, got stopped by said police officer, violated his parole by drinking and driving, and was sent to jail. After magically escaping prison, knowing that his life is now fucked up and angry at the world, he decides to go kill said cop, leaving his wife and children on their own.

Did the murderer have his own reasons to commit his vile act, which he believed were sufficient to justify his actions? Yes.

Was his action morally or legally appropriate? No.

yes.....his actions were morally and legally innaprropriate. but not the point im making

That's quite a big assumption... the government has been running the U.S.A. for 226 years. =)

-Warik [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[Warik]

ur asssuming he was a bad father, a neglegent cop who makes mistakes....im saying try seeing things from his eyes, maybe ull be a bit more sympathetic towards him

I'm not assuming anything. I'm only stating fact.

Fact #1) He was a man who made at least one mistake that indirectly cost people their lives.

Fact #2) He committed suicide and abandoned his wife and 6 kids.

Making the first mistake is still a mistake, and is still something he should have been punished for, but is not something I'd condemn him to hell for. His second mistake has neither excuse nor forgiveness.

Call me ruthless if you wish...... I'd agree. =)

-Warik

 

[Lumberg]

I bet he never botched a speeding ticket. Leave it to traffic cops to fuck things up when there's an important job to do.

-Warik

so cruel yet so true.

 

[casavant]

That's not the point. The point is, he fucked up and people died. Then he fucked up again and abandoned his family. What an exemplary human being.

-Warik

One day, my friend, you may venture beyond your white picket fence and make some mistakes as well.

 

[Warik]

One day, my friend, you may venture beyond your white picket fence and make some mistakes as well.

Yes, and I will live with the pain and the shame. I won't off myself and leave my family to suffer.

-Warik

 

[BLOODTIDE]

True Bushido!

 

[danielson]

Yes, and I will live with the pain and the shame. I won't off myself and leave my family to suffer.

-Warik

i dont think u can say that for certain unless u actually have it happen to you

i think u are ruthless D) because god forbid u find yourself in the same situation as him one day and can;t deal with whats happened

 

[Testosterone boy]

Yes, and I will live with the pain and the shame. I won't off myself and leave my family to suffer.

-Warik

I'll wager you are fairly youthful. You might be amazed one day at the twists and turns of life. This world is a lot bigger than you are. You may feel that some day. i hope not.