Is waterboarding torture?

[nimbus]

Pffffft. Two words: Abu Ghraib.

believe me none of those clowns at abu ghraib would ever have the authority to waterboard

 

[jnevin]

that wasn;t the CIA

Exactly. It was a bunch of retard Army guys. A few straight up bullies, not a trained operative.

 

[binö]

do you guys think a motorboarding parody thread would be worthwhile>?

 

[nimbus]

Not to mention, they use waterboarding to train some of our elite troops. I doubt they's subject SEALs and the like to it as part of training if it were that harmful.

i heard the endurance record was like 14 seconds for a SEAL, that's nuts if you can get badasses like that to crack that quick

 

[jnevin]

do you guys think a motorboarding parody thread would be worthwhile>?

Not now that you already sprung it on us.

 

[Dial_tone]

Okay, this thought occurred to me, just stop and think for a minute:

Let's say that someone was torturing YOU, and if you spilled your guts someone you loved more than your own life (your kid, your spouse, your parent, your best friend), would be killed. What would it take for you to tell the truth? How much would they have to do to you? Or would you rather die yourself, no matter how horrible it was?

That's why torturing fanatics is useless. They love their ideal more than they love anything else.

I'd say it's a lot more effective than saying pretty please 735 times.

The former agent, who said he participated in the Abu Zubayda interrogation but not his waterboarding, said the CIA decided to waterboard the al Qaeda operative only after he was "wholly uncooperative" for weeks and refused to answer questions.

All that changed -- and Zubayda reportedly had a divine revelation -- after 30 to 35 seconds of waterboarding, Kiriakou said he learned from the CIA agents who performed the technique.

In the absence of torture, or at least the threat of it, what do you suggest as a more effective alternative?

 

[musclemom]

that wasn;t the CIA

Yes, I'm sure they're much smarter than that I mean, it's their intelligence that warned us of the planes on 9/11 and have found Usama and told us about all those WMDs?

They must be brilliant and their methods infallable, I mean, just look at the terrific people that have headed that agency over the years

Bunch of fuckedup James Bond wannabes.

 

[jnevin]

I'd say it's a lot more effective than saying pretty please 735 times.



In the absence of torture, or at least the threat of it, what do you suggest as a more effective alternative?

Pretty please with curry on top?

 

[nimbus]

Pretty please with curry on top?

HAHAHAHHAA

 

[nimbus]

Yes, I'm sure they're much smarter than that I mean, it's their intelligence that warned us of the planes on 9/11 and have found Usama and told us about all those WMDs?

They must be brilliant and their methods infallable, I mean, just look at the terrific people that have headed that agency over the years

Bunch of fuckedup James Bond wannabes.

i guarantee that if you randomly chose 5 people to be in charge of the CIA or hold positions with significant responsibilities there, this country would be ravaged by the hordes within 5 years. You have to be pretty fucking smart to have a job there as something besides a janitor