Is waterboarding torture?

[xrsist]

not when its nessesary

 

[patsfan1379]

Jack Bauer baby.

 

[nimbus]

I think torture is a retarded way to obtain information. I can't believe they haven't concocted drugs that are far more effective at making people spill the truth. Load 'em up with sodium pentathol and hook their asses up to a lie detector if nothing else. Water torture? Fuck me take us back in time about 500 years. Shit, they used to dunk witches, too. If she sank, she was an innocent woman, if she floated she was a witch and they took her to the stake, Win-Win.

Think about it, you cannot torture fanatics enough, they just become more convinced of their philosophies if anything. These people find the concept of blowing themselves and innocent people UP as being perfectly acceptable. How the HELL do you torture the truth out of them? It's virtually USELESS.

Torture only succeeds in making the person being tortured tell the inquisitor what they want to hear, which is NOT necessarily the truth (ergo, 100,000+ men, women and children who were executed for the crime of witchcraft and consorting with the devil). Torture is just fucking stupid and beyond barbaric. Drug their asses up so they're incapable of lying, politely question them, rinse and repeat.

if they're that fanatical, who even cares if they suffer?

 

[binö]

isn't the deal with torture that you get confessions and revelations that aren't true?
non-guilty peeps admitting to shit they haven't done just to make the pain/discomfort stop.
i read that the best torture is the threat of torture

 

[aaron_everette]

No, we water board for fun on teh weekends.

That would be a great idea to put on T-shirts. lol

I waterboard for fun!!! lol

 

[nimbus]

isn't the deal with torture that you get confessions and revelations that aren't true?
non-guilty peeps admitting to shit they haven't done just to make the pain/discomfort stop.
i read that the best torture is the threat of torture

Of course using it to obtain confessions is just silly. But as for getting info, i'm not sure if you can have the presence of mind to completely make shit up when you think you're gonna die and you're scared absolutely shitless of more waterboarding. If we were getting bad info i feel like would've stopped using it

 

[Raptorex]

LOL @ Ender coming to EF like once a month to stir up shit with the "Patriots"

 

[jestro]

Of course using it to obtain confessions is just silly. But as for getting info, i'm not sure if you can have the presence of mind to completely make shit up when you think you're gonna die and you're scared absolutely shitless of more waterboarding. If we were getting bad info i feel like would've stopped using it

I saw an interview with a SEAL who had waterboarded terrorists, and been waterboarded during training. He said it was torture, and that the info they got was not credible. The person being waterboarded would make up anything to get it to stop.

 

[wlmcrae]

Of course using it to obtain confessions is just silly. But as for getting info, i'm not sure if you can have the presence of mind to completely make shit up when you think you're gonna die and you're scared absolutely shitless of more waterboarding. If we were getting bad info i feel like would've stopped using it

From a book, quote on torture "When you know you are going to undergo torture, lie. Lie constantly, lie creatively. There will come a time when you tell the truth, but by then you will have muddied the waters so badly that they will not know whether to believe or not."

Think operatives haven't read the book?!

 

[aaron_everette]

I saw an interview with a SEAL who had waterboarded terrorists, and been waterboarded during training. He said it was torture, and that the info they got was not credible. The person being waterboarded would make up anything to get it to stop.

After getting the terrorist to confess. Throw his ass back in a cell and go check if his information is legit. If its not, back to waterboarding until he tells the truth. He will eventually either tell the truth or drown. His choice.