Is waterboarding torture?

[Raptorex]

did that chick get "water boarded" in FlashDance? That was kind of hot.

 

[binö]

Of course using it to obtain confessions is just silly. But as for getting info, i'm not sure if you can have the presence of mind to completely make shit up when you think you're gonna die and you're scared absolutely shitless of more waterboarding. If we were getting bad info i feel like would've stopped using it

according to this book, the key is not to threaten or imply that you will kill the dude...apparently peeps, esp religious fanatics, come to terms with death and even accept it.
pain and suffering they do not

 

[nimbus]

according to this book, the key is not to threaten or imply that you will kill the dude...apparently peeps, esp religious fanatics, come to terms with death and even accept it.
pain and suffering they do not

i think the idea behind waterboarding is that you think you're drowning, and your physiological responses give you no choice but to completely flip a shit. No way anybody has the resolve to just lay there and embrace it.

 

[Sean Scott]

Yes, but I don't give a shit.

It saves innocent lives.

F**k liberals sissies.

This is the truth

 

[musclemom]

i think the idea behind waterboarding is that you think you're drowning, and your physiological responses give you no choice but to completely flip a shit. No way anybody has the resolve to just lay there and embrace it.

If you have the "whatever it is" to strap a bomb to a 5-year old and tell that little kid to go run into a crowd then push the button on the bomb, you will say ANYTHING while you're getting dunked.

Torture only makes the people doing the torture happy. As a means to effectively gather information, it's useless, particularly when used against spiritual FANATICS.

This is not like the average person who isn't indoctrinated in a concept. These nuts live and breath their beliefs. Fanatics are not right in the head. What do you have to lose if you believe that by doing what your religious/spiritual brothers advise you to say/do you will go to heaven for eternity? What's a little physical suffering in THIS plane versus eternal bliss?

And when it comes to torture the CIA are amateurs. A little pressing under a half ton or so, a little breaking on the wheel, explode a few fingers with thumb screws, dislocate shoulders via strappado, now we're getting somewhere. Dig out an iron maiden from some museum's basement, warm up one of those nice toture chairs and invite them to have a seat ...

Applaude torture and you're only ONE step away from hoping to see someone crucified for their crimes. By now people should know better. It's not effective, and in the end it's every bit as evil as the crimes you're accusing your enemy of.

 

[JayC9]

Is enduring the family during the festive season a greater torture?

 

[musclemom]

Okay, this thought occurred to me, just stop and think for a minute:

Let's say that someone was torturing YOU, and if you spilled your guts someone you loved more than your own life (your kid, your spouse, your parent, your best friend), would be killed. What would it take for you to tell the truth? How much would they have to do to you? Or would you rather die yourself, no matter how horrible it was?

That's why torturing fanatics is useless. They love their ideal more than they love anything else.

 

[JayC9]

Okay, this thought occurred to me, just stop and think for a minute:

Let's say that someone was torturing YOU, and if you spilled your guts someone you loved more than your own life (your kid, your spouse, your parent, your best friend), would be killed. What would it take for you to tell the truth? How much would they have to do to you? Or would you rather die yourself, no matter how horrible it was?

That's why torturing fanatics is useless. They love their ideal more than they love anything else.

they say everyone has a breaking point

 

[aaron_everette]

Okay, this thought occurred to me, just stop and think for a minute:

Let's say that someone was torturing YOU, and if you spilled your guts someone you loved more than your own life (your kid, your spouse, your parent, your best friend), would be killed. What would it take for you to tell the truth? How much would they have to do to you? Or would you rather die yourself, no matter how horrible it was?

That's why torturing fanatics is useless. They love their ideal more than they love anything else.

So how can we aquire information from suspects? Are we just supposed to ask them if they know anything and thats it. Just send them back to their cell with the conclusion that since we asked nicely and they didnt talk they will probably never talk? Waterboarding or any means of torture may not work with some but it could with others.

So if 1 out of 10 terrorist give up information from being tortured, that leads to saving the life of even just 1 soldier, I believe that it is worth it. The other 9 that are still not giving up the information we need deserve to be tortured. Because they are holding information that is hurting our country's security. So what if it is cruel, how cruel is it if one holds information regarding another attack like 9/11. Think of all the people that would be suffering then. I bet a lot of people would be singing a different song then.

 

[musclemom]

So how can we aquire information from suspects? Are we just supposed to ask them if they know anything and thats it. Just send them back to their cell with the conclusion that since we asked nicely and they didnt talk they will probably never talk? Waterboarding or any means of torture may not work with some but it could with others.

So if 1 out of 10 terrorist give up information from being tortured, that leads to saving the life of even just 1 soldier, I believe that it is worth it. The other 9 that are still not giving up the information we need deserve to be tortured. Because they are holding information that is hurting our country's security. So what if it is cruel, how cruel is it if one holds information regarding another attack like 9/11. Think of all the people that would be suffering then. I bet a lot of people would be singing a different song then.

Better living through chemistry, sugar, in other words: D-R-U-G-S. There's TONS of shit that disconnect your conscious from your subconscious mind and the worst side effect is a headache afterwards.

Physical torture is wrong, there is no justification or excuse for it. All it succeeds in doing is fueling the other guy's anger. For every life that may or may not be saved with that information, tens or hundreds more are endangered by the hatred that torture fuels. Torture is not committed in a vaccuum. All waterboarding is doing is making us hated by the world at large, and the Moslem community in particular. It turns Americans into monsters.

Using torture on prisoners doesn't end the war faster, if anything it perpetuates it. We should treat the prisoners the way we want our people treated if they are captured.