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weaselboy

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I have finally got my gear and plan to start first cycle.
I am 5'6 132 LB 15% BF ( Lean, some definition , hard muscle )
Have been Training naturaly for 9 months.

My objective is to add LBM and lower BF without loosing weight. I am
looking for keepable gains.

So here's my cutting (and hopefully a bit of mass ) Cycle:

Week 1-8 : 20mg Anavar Morning and Evening 60 clen 1-1-1
Weeks : 2&3 , 6&7 add 100mg Benadryl
Week 5,6,7,8 : Add Winstrol 20mg Morning and Night; Proviron 25mg
Morning and Night.

Liver values check at week 3 and 6.

Do I need clomid or HGC at the end ? Its a mild cycle as far as I can see.

Should I taper down at the end and add a bigger stack in say weeks 6/7 ?

Or Am i just being dumb ? I have actually done a bit of research before
posting this.

Im pretty sure I've got the training about right, but what sort of calorific
excess should I run ? How well will this work with a high protein low calorie
diet.

Any advice greatly appreciated !
 
weaselboy said:
I have finally got my gear and plan to start first cycle.
I am 5'6 132 LB 15% BF ( Lean, some definition , hard muscle )
Have been Training naturaly for 9 months.

My objective is to add LBM and lower BF without loosing weight. I am
looking for keepable gains.

So here's my cutting (and hopefully a bit of mass ) Cycle:

Week 1-8 : 20mg Anavar Morning and Evening 60 Clenbuterol 1-1-1
Weeks : 2&3 , 6&7 add 100mg Benadryl
Week 5,6,7,8 : Add Winstrol 20mg Morning and Night; Proviron 25mg
Morning and Night.

Liver values check at week 3 and 6.

Do I need clomid or HGC at the end ? Its a mild cycle as far as I can see.

Should I taper down at the end and add a bigger stack in say weeks 6/7 ?

Or Am i just being dumb ? I have actually done a bit of research before
posting this.

Im pretty sure I've got the training about right, but what sort of calorific
excess should I run ? How well will this work with a high protein low calorie
diet.

Any advice greatly appreciated !
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first of all what's your age?if you're below the age of 21 you don't need androgens your body is already naturally flooded with testosterone.
@132lbs you need to definitely gain weight BEFORE you attempt to cut,or you're going to dry up and blow away,bro.given your weight and training experience,NO YOUR PLAN ISN'T REASONABLE.
9 months of training isn't much imo,you need to get quite a few more in before even thinking about attempting gear
it appears as if you don't know too much about training or what your diet should be composed of .........

increase your caloric and protein intake substantially.your proteins should be increased to 2grams for every pound of weight you are which is 264grams a day.yeah I know that sounds like a lot of protein but you can get half of that in protein shake form,alone.lift heavy,with clean form........get and get plenty of rest.......and repeat.

best of luck to you
 
That should be interesting. I don't know if you will make much of any muscle gains. I'm always curious about oral cycles. People are gonna chime in and say add test. Its not a bad idea at small dose. You could even experiment at a very small dose(like 100mgs-200mgs). I think it would be worth it to you. Will give you a good first cycle, with decent gains.
 
First, how old are you?

Second, some observations that I have (as I'm sure others will too)....

With only 9 months of training under your belt, I'm afraid you don't have a strong enough foundation to consider A A S at this point. You need to have a solid understanding of training, diet, and how your body responds to both - 9 months is not enough time to do that! Plus, you should push your body to its natural limits first before resorting to A A S, and you don't know yet how far you can go naturally. You have to put in the hard work and effort first and then rely on "supplementation" later.

That being said, that is a very mild cycle you have laid out. I doubt you'll see any substantial gains with var and winstrol, especially at lower dosages. Strength gains and some vascularity maybe... mass, not so much. You will get criticism I'm sure for considering an oral-only cycle. To each his own. With something that mild, you will likely not need any H C G either.

I know this isn't what you want to hear, but my advice is to continue training naturally for a while longer... push yourself harder.... if you're looking to get bigger, EAT...then eat more.... find yourself a good training program.... you will undoubtedly grow.

Good luck!
 
hyp1 said:
first of all what's your age?if you're below the age of 21 you don't need androgens your body is already naturally flooded with testosterone.
@132lbs you need to definitely gain weight BEFORE you attempt to cut,or you're going to dry up and blow away,bro.given your weight and training experience,NO YOUR PLAN ISN'T REASONABLE.
9 months of training isn't much imo,you need to get quite a few more in before even thinking about attempting gear
it appears as if you don't know too much about training or what your diet should be composed of .........

increase your caloric and protein intake substantially.your proteins should be increased to 2grams for every pound of weight you are which is 264grams a day.yeah I know that sounds like a lot of protein but you can get half of that in protein shake form,alone.lift heavy,with clean form........get and get plenty of rest.......and repeat.

best of luck to you
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great minds think alike :)
 
What does Chairman of The Board mean anyway? I see it listed on your posts! Do you get that title for a lifetime membership or something like that?
 
Sorry Forgot the age 40. And how do you get to be chairman of the board ?
Be stupid , make money , spend it.

I came down from 35% BF to 15% BF in those nine months, I really worked and am working my balls off , but I have hit a plateau.
 
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weaselboy said:
Sorry Forgot the age 40. And how do you get to be chairman of the board ?
Be stupid , make money , spend it.

I came down from 35% BF to 15% BF in those nine months, I really worked and am working my balls off , but I have hit a plateau.
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that helped thanks, can u give me sensible answer on the COTB thing?
 
First cycle and you want to use steroids to cut? Bad idea.

You've only been training for 9 months you haven't established enough solidity and would lose gains easily. Bad idea.

Clenbuterol does not provide permanent gains. Bad idea.

Benadryl? Bad idea.

All orals. Bad idea.

Var and Winniee at those dosages will not put on much muscle. Bad idea.


Enjoy your cycle.
 
hstern said:
IS IT UNDER PLAT MEMBERSHIPS OR IS A SPECIAL ITEM, sorry for caps lock was on
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Im not really sure. I was plat and I got an email offering it , I dont know
whether it was issued to some or all plats. It seemed like a good idea.
Hope thats helps
 
So if I have hit a flat spot what should I do ? I get stronger and can lift more but I cant seems to get any volume or icrease in LBM. My body fat slowly drops about .5 %
per week , but my LBM has been about the same for six weeks now. Ive tried training less or more , and doing more and less aerobics, but Im Stuck ! Help. I could always
save the roids for later.
 
My work out schedule is pretty simple. Allways first thing in the morning. Mondays
abs and squats. Tuesdays Pecs. Thursdays abs and squats again. Fridays shoulders and back. 15 min cardio on running machine every day. All excersizes 5 sets 10 reps and last set to failiure , as heavy as I can go. Sometimes I row when Im bored of Running. My diet sort of sucks. Coffee and Protein shake breakfast. Work Lunch. Try to make it chicken fish or red meat with vegetables. ( Not allways possible) dINNER
whole grain pasta or rice , vegatables ( Steamed ) and another protein shake.
Very hard to eat more than those meals due to work. Sunday cheat day loads of carbs. I know im eating wrong , but if I stop eating with clients at lunch or start eating in the office im going to have nothing to eat ...as in fired...
 
The benadryl is to reload teh beta 2 recepttors when off clen

stay away from late nite carbs if youre cutting

take some creatine with the anavar if its not the filler ingredient in pill already

sure youll need to be taking natty vitamins

design your own at customcapsule.com

and if youre picky about your protein

design your own flavors and all at proteinfactory.com
 
weaselboy said:
My work out schedule is pretty simple. Allways first thing in the morning. Mondays
abs and squats. Tuesdays Pecs. Thursdays abs and squats again. Fridays shoulders and back. 15 min cardio on running machine every day. All excersizes 5 sets 10 reps and last set to failiure , as heavy as I can go. Sometimes I row when Im bored of Running. My diet sort of sucks. Coffee and Protein shake breakfast. Work Lunch. Try to make it chicken fish or red meat with vegetables. ( Not allways possible) dINNER
whole grain pasta or rice , vegatables ( Steamed ) and another protein shake.
Very hard to eat more than those meals due to work. Sunday cheat day loads of carbs. I know im eating wrong , but if I stop eating with clients at lunch or start eating in the office im going to have nothing to eat ...as in fired...
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Well there, your diet is the problem, you just said so yourself. Correct your eating habbits and you can gain 40-50 pounds in the next few years. I'm not trying to diss you but you only weigh 132 lbs! NOBODY that weighs 132 lbs. should use gear, period.

Start off your day by eating 6 whole eggs and 1 cup of oats with fruit. Save the protein shake for a mid-morning snack (9-10am). Obviously you aren't flexible at lunch time so just keep doing what you're doing. Have another shake in the afternoon and a big dinner (eg. steak or fish, yam, broccoli). Have another 6 eggs and more fruit before bed. You WILL gain weight if you do this.
 
more like 6 egg white and 2 yolks but ok agreed

bring a lunchpail with you, get a cooler pack, and eat every 2 hours if I can do it working ed than you can
 
That sounds like a lot of food ! How many calories should I aim for , as you point out im kinda "tiny" ( didnt feel dissed) the world needs small guys so we can fit into small places :-) So I recon my caloric needs are also a lot lower than a big guy.
 
forget the gear

I think it boils down to one simple question

...what do you eat?

understand also that you can't cut & bulk at the same time ...and I'm afraid that if you try to cut @ 5'6" 132lbs, there isn't going to be much left of you no matter what you take ...I mean you'll be like 110 & ripped
 
i would train for atleast a year and some change, switching up routines and diets to see what works best than you can say you hit a "plateau". other than that, for a first cycle and im sure most will agree. Just Test. nothing more, nothing less. then work your way from there. im not even gonna touch the subject of all orals. i believe if your gonna do something, do it right!!!! dont pussy foot and dont jump the gun!! right time for everything. take your time and make sure you have the perfect diet for you and the perfect routine. to be honest i dont think your workout routine is great either. if you want to put on more weight then do LESS reps and MORE weight. your body fat will have to morely do with your diet at your weight and height. sounds like your metabolism is still up there. get a metabolism test and then decide what your protein and caloric intake will be............

Any More Questions???????????????????????????
 
I got down to 110 and 8% bodyfat once, about 6 years ago. As my sister said "you look like a Bosian Soldier". I was a fat fuck when I was a kid and I got to be a fat fuck a year ago ( Ive lost 60 lb ) . I was big on natural training when I was 19 , but I had loads of spare time and I was 21 years younger. I really want to get a good physique it helps my self esteem....
 
weaselboy said:
So if I have hit a flat spot what should I do ? I get stronger and can lift more but I cant seems to get any volume or icrease in LBM. My body fat slowly drops about .5 %
per week , but my LBM has been about the same for six weeks now. Ive tried training less or more , and doing more and less aerobics, but Im Stuck ! Help. I could always
save the steroids for later.
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i would train for atleast a year and some change, switching up routines and diets to see what works best than you can say you hit a "plateau". other than that, for a first cycle and im sure most will agree. Just Test. nothing more, nothing less. then work your way from there. im not even gonna touch the subject of all orals. i believe if your gonna do something, do it right!!!! dont pussy foot and dont jump the gun!! right time for everything. take your time and make sure you have the perfect diet for you and the perfect routine. to be honest i dont think your workout routine is great either. if you want to put on more weight then do LESS reps and MORE weight. your body fat will have to morely do with your diet at your weight and height. sounds like your metabolism is still up there. get a metabolism test and then decide what your protein and caloric intake will be............

Any More Questions???????????????????????????
 
weaselboy said:
I got down to 110 and 8% bodyfat once, about 6 years ago. As my sister said "you look like a Bosian Soldier". I was a fat fuck when I was a kid and I got to be a fat fuck a year ago ( Ive lost 60 lb ) . I was big on natural training when I was 19 , but I had loads of spare time and I was 21 years younger. I really want to get a good physique it helps my self esteem....
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read my previous post that should answer your questions...... the fact that you are doing it for yourself and self esteem, you should be able to hold out longer on trying to use gear. respect your body, you only live once. go natural for like 6 more months and switch things up a bit. your body likes to be shocked by switching routines it will respond well i promise. and hold the orals for second or third cycle........ thats just my opinon though and like they say, opinions are like assholes, everybodys got one!
 
holy ghost said:
more like 6 egg white and 2 yolks but ok agreed

bring a lunchpail with you, get a cooler pack, and eat every 2 hours if I can do it working ed than you can
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ghost... he is 132 lbs... he can eat the whole egg! lol.

Your right about the cooler bag though. I carry a bag full of food and a jug of water everywhere I go. That's what makes the difference between a champ and a chump.
 
Get a copy of Stuart McRobert's BRAWN, it is a perfect training manual for hardgainers, and he advocates training naturally.

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I like the bit about my name sums it up . "Weaselboy" is a classic insult from the dilbert strip... And i live in a Dilbert kind of world. I remember going to Baylor for 3 months and my friend ( now an orthopedic surgeon ) was one of the smallest guys on the football team. I have a photo with them (From 86) and he looks small and I look like a "nonentity" :-)
 
sincere81oo0 said:
and how is this thread giving gear a bad rep?
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I did read the post. I suppose that if I was a sensible dude, I would just do aerobics and eat low fat, but having read all info I recon Im going to go for what I suggested plus test. In will post the results. with diet improvements it should do OK . I will post the results so everone can have a good laugh...... if I survive .... and I expect I will.
tHANKS FOR all comments , but at the end of the day I have to commit and pump !
 
weaselboy said:
I did read the post. I suppose that if I was a sensible dude, I would just do aerobics and eat low fat, but having read all info I recon Im going to go for what I suggested plus test. In will post the results. with diet improvements it should do OK . I will post the results so everone can have a good laugh...... if I survive .... and I expect I will.
tHANKS FOR all comments , but at the end of the day I have to commit and pump !
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do what you feel is right you know your body more tha anyone..... but to get your moneys worth, i still think you should do just test first then stack it with your orals. good luck and keep us posted......
 
weaselboy said:
in those nine months, I really worked and am working my balls off , but I have hit a plateau.
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No, you haven't.

In nine months, you won't even be very familiar with many training methods.



:cow:
 
weaselboy said:
I like the bit about my name sums it up . "Weaselboy" is a classic insult from the dilbert strip... And i live in a Dilbert kind of world. I remember going to Baylor for 3 months and my friend ( now an orthopedic surgeon ) was one of the smallest guys on the football team. I have a photo with them (From 86) and he looks small and I look like a "nonentity" :-)
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i respect you for that post. by the way i wasnt flaming you i just couldnt resist. :p
 
samoth said:
No, you haven't.

In nine months, you won't even be very familiar with many training methods.



:cow:
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I fully agree,bro you haven't even started getting your goddamned feet wet as far as training programs,proper eating and supplementation in any way shape or form........yet you're wanting to jump in the deep in end over your head by trying androgens immediately for a 'quick fix'.you don't even have a decent foundation to build upon or any muscle maturity for that matter.

if anything gains depend more on your training and diet than anything else,for you to even state that you want to 'cut' when you only weigh 132 fucking pounds is comical at best and sad realistically.bro educate yourself because it sounds like you're entirely in the fucking dark.hang out here and read until your eyes fucking bleed.
 
weaselboy said:
I did read the post. I suppose that if I was a sensible dude, I would just do aerobics and eat low fat, but having read all info I recon Im going to go for what I suggested plus test. In will post the results. with diet improvements it should do OK . I will post the results so everone can have a good laugh...... if I survive .... and I expect I will.
tHANKS FOR all comments , but at the end of the day I have to commit and pump !
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I’m not sure why I’m spending time writing on this thread. You obviously aren’t going to follow the advice of all of the knowledgeable and experienced bros on here. Remember, some of these guys have been working out 20 times longer than you have. You weigh 132 lbs. and you are talking about using roids to get cut and you have only been training for nine months (and your diet was off the whole time).

If you insist on using gear now (which I totally disagree with, but you're going to do it anyway) just do 10 weeks of Test E at 400mg/week and PCT.

You will be disappointed with an all-oral cycle.
 
I would suggest a low fat diet, lots of healthy complex carbs - bread, pasta, whole grains. Do lots of cardio too, to really burn the fat off and be sure to double your training volume while on cycle to take advantage of the regenrative powers of A A S

something like monday - chest & bis, tuesday arms and pecs, wed chest bis tris, thursday, some additional pec work with maybe arms and friday repeat mondays workout.

Anadrol is the best option for you as it's an oral and you don't need to inject into a vein (which can give you HIV), take 3 tablets a day, one after each meal and take another three after each workout.
 
weaselboy said:
My work out schedule is pretty simple. Allways first thing in the morning. Mondays
abs and squats. Tuesdays Pecs. Thursdays abs and squats again. Fridays shoulders and back. 15 min cardio on running machine every day. All excersizes 5 sets 10 reps and last set to failiure , as heavy as I can go. Sometimes I row when Im bored of Running. My diet sort of sucks. Coffee and Protein shake breakfast. Work Lunch. Try to make it chicken fish or red meat with vegetables. ( Not allways possible) dINNER
whole grain pasta or rice , vegatables ( Steamed ) and another protein shake.
Very hard to eat more than those meals due to work. Sunday cheat day loads of carbs. I know im eating wrong , but if I stop eating with clients at lunch or start eating in the office im going to have nothing to eat ...as in fired...
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i know im not the best here but im 5' 10" and 200 lbs and 10% bf.. a year and a half ago i was 160 and 12.5% bf. all i started doing was eating a sh*tload and got my training down(lots of reading and asking around from more expeienced people). so i pretty much put on 32 lbs. in that time( put on 8lbs on cycle so far. into week 5) and i just barely started my first cycle(which i also researched about 6 months before i did it) so anyone out there who thinks it cant be done it can.
 
Tweakle said:
I would suggest a low fat diet, lots of healthy complex carbs - bread, pasta, whole grains. Do lots of cardio too, to really burn the fat off and be sure to double your training volume while on cycle to take advantage of the regenrative powers of A A S

something like monday - chest & bis, tuesday arms and pecs, wed chest bis tris, thursday, some additional pec work with maybe arms and friday repeat mondays workout.

Anadrol is the best option for you as it's an oral and you don't need to inject into a vein (which can give you HIV), take 3 tablets a day, one after each meal and take another three after each workout.
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So to review....Do a ton of cardio while eating a ton of carbs.......Do chest Mon,Tue,Wed,Thurs....And do bi's on Mon and the again (arms) Tues.....LOL

All the while doing 3 Anadrol for your first cycle.

10-4
 
Tweakle said:
I would suggest a low fat diet, lots of healthy complex carbs - bread, pasta, whole grains. Do lots of cardio too, to really burn the fat off and be sure to double your training volume while on cycle to take advantage of the regenrative powers of A A S

something like monday - chest & bis, tuesday arms and pecs, wed chest bis tris, thursday, some additional pec work with maybe arms and friday repeat mondays workout.

Anadrol is the best option for you as it's an oral and you don't need to inject into a vein (which can give you HIV), take 3 tablets a day, one after each meal and take another three after each workout.
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:FRlol:

gslben said:
So to review....Do a ton of cardio while eating a ton of carbs.......Do chest Mon,Tue,Wed,Thurs....And do bi's on Mon and the again (arms) Tues.....LOL

All the while doing 3 Anadrol for your first cycle.

10-4
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:FRlol: ...you buy it!


ahhhh ...the late night laughs ...thank you!
 
weaselboy said:
I have finally got my gear and plan to start first cycle.
I am 5'6 132 LB 15% BF ( Lean, some definition , hard muscle )
Have been Training naturaly for 9 months.

My objective is to add LBM and lower BF without loosing weight. I am
looking for keepable gains.

So here's my cutting (and hopefully a bit of mass ) Cycle:

Week 1-8 : 20mg Anavar Morning and Evening 60 Clenbuterol 1-1-1
Weeks : 2&3 , 6&7 add 100mg Benadryl
Week 5,6,7,8 : Add Winstrol 20mg Morning and Night; Proviron 25mg
Morning and Night.

Liver values check at week 3 and 6.

Do I need clomid or HGC at the end ? Its a mild cycle as far as I can see.

Should I taper down at the end and add a bigger stack in say weeks 6/7 ?

Or Am i just being dumb ? I have actually done a bit of research before
posting this.

Im pretty sure I've got the training about right, but what sort of calorific
excess should I run ? How well will this work with a high protein low calorie
diet.

Any advice greatly appreciated !
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next time bro instead to use all these bunch of tablets/inj take a H-G-H it will be more appropriate for you. increase of lean body mass, total reduction of the fat tissue, decreased of skin texture. h-g-h will permit u to keep all your gains after cycle.
in a general this supplement help to maintain low bodyfat percentages and reasonable levels of lean body mass. steroids do not offer the ability to recruit and mature more muscle cells. H-G-H can. he also increases protein synthesis, which can be responsible for hypertrophy.
 
THE GOOD SUN said:
:FRlol:



:FRlol: ...you buy it!


ahhhh ...the late night laughs ...thank you!
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I hope tweakle head was joking.
 
If you gotta do it your compounds are all wrong. Why do you wanna gut at 135lbs. Eat atleast 3000 cals/day at your weight and train train train and rest rest rest. You need to dd some test or just do test alone right now at 500mg /wk. Save the other compunds when you are 220lbs and wanna get ripped
 
weaselboy said:
I did read the post. I suppose that if I was a sensible dude, I would just do aerobics and eat low fat, but having read all info I recon Im going to go for what I suggested plus test. In will post the results. with diet improvements it should do OK . I will post the results so everone can have a good laugh...... if I survive .... and I expect I will.
tHANKS FOR all comments , but at the end of the day I have to commit and pump !
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thanks for the karma bro! hope i really helped! :)
 
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