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Comes down to dosage.
swole
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i believe winstrol is still pretty hepatoxic regardless of the method
what are your goals bro? maybe there's a healthier way to get there
any reason you can't pin?
Well im ; 5'5'' this is my second cycle, 22yrs. old
Been training since a freshman in High School, but got serious about 2 yrs ago. By serious I mean stared lifting 6 days a week for an hour at least a day .
What dosages do you recommend? I have no problem pinning but thats just what my source provides at the moment
Been training since a freshman in High School, but got serious about 2 yrs ago. By serious I mean stared lifting 6 days a week for an hour at least a day .
What dosages do you recommend? I have no problem pinning but thats just what my source provides at the moment
Oh yeah my goals are getting big (d-bol) and getting cut at the same time (winstrol)Well im ; 5'5'' this is my second cycle, 22yrs. old
Been training since a freshman in High School, but got serious about 2 yrs ago. By serious I mean stared lifting 6 days a week for an hour at least a day .
What dosages do you recommend? I have no problem pinning but thats just what my source provides at the moment
I figure this way it wont be obvious im juicing since Im getting bigger but at the same time im getting cut. Im also at around 16% body fat.
What did you run on your first cycle?
On my first cycle I ran Sustanon and Deca
bro stick to either just getting big..or getting cut...or even a cycle of lean mass
your diet has to be in check as well train like a beast..
your diet has to be in check as well train like a beast..
bro arent you the same dude that didnt even know what pct was?why are you even fucking around with aas.listen, im by far a expert on aas and i learn something new every day about it.one thing i know for sure is that you dont even have a clue!your 22 5/5 tall 16 % b.f,been working out since freshman year,to me it sounds like you should get your DIET in check GOOGLE more info about AAS,TRAIN like a beast.when you got aqll that in order then begin you life of aas.
I'm sure there was a time when you were a newb and didn't know what pct was. I'm fukin around with aas for the same reason you are
Well I am doing research on it part of that research is getting advice from pros like you. But if your going to be a dick about it then don't put your 2 cents in. I'm a personal trainer I'm very aware of what my weaknesess are and im sure if i met you i could easily spot shit you need to work on.needtogetaas
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Well if you want to learn about aas you came to the right place. Ask away bro will help you with the right info. May not always be what you want to hear but its right.
Ok thanks man, What do you recommend my dosages should be for D-bol and Wintstrol?
smtimelevi
New member
nice! 2 orals, might as well wash it down with a 5th of vodka.
Dbol is one hell of a steroid I dobut you need anything else with it if you dont want to get "noticably" bigger. Try 20-30 mg a day split up into a couple doses. Dont even get started on ur cycle til pct is planned out.
Dbol is one hell of a steroid I dobut you need anything else with it if you dont want to get "noticably" bigger. Try 20-30 mg a day split up into a couple doses. Dont even get started on ur cycle til pct is planned out.
02gixxersix
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I actually read this post as I was clicking back to the main page and decided to come back and respond although I see others have touched on the subject. Dbol will not make you big and winstrol will not make you more cut. Diet, training, cardio, and rest will. Whether you bulk or cut is a function of these things and has little to do with the AAS you choose to use. The purpose of AAS while cutting is to maintain the muscle you have while on a caloric deficit. Winstrol is often thought of as a cutting drug because it does this well with little to no bloat so as to make fat loss more visible.
DJ_UFO
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I was going to reply something similar. Unfortunately, the dude is just looking for a d-bol and winny answer and will start right away as soon as he read the answer for the dosage with no pct, nothing. So if you are reading this, and wanna think twice for your own sake, do not use steroids if you do not understand how they react with your natural hormonal system and how you recover it. Don't worry about using a drug for cutting and another for bulking; it all comes down to diet and training. If you are not fully prepared and do not fully understand, you will be back here at 28 year old asking where you can get a doctor for HRT because your cock doesn't work and your gf left you.
bro simply..you should not be running to orals ...and alot of ef members do not advise running 2 orals.. together...very liver toxic..a simple
250/mg w eekly of test e or c..is better.. but i think you should definetly learn more about aas and pct...and then do it...becasue there are alot
of things that can go wrong on a cycle and you might not be aware of... gyno...you gotta get yo ur blood work done...there is a whole
lot of responsibilty to do with using aas its not that you just stick a needle and workout...theres alot more to it ..im not being a dick..
just trying to help out
250/mg w eekly of test e or c..is better.. but i think you should definetly learn more about aas and pct...and then do it...becasue there are alot
of things that can go wrong on a cycle and you might not be aware of... gyno...you gotta get yo ur blood work done...there is a whole
lot of responsibilty to do with using aas its not that you just stick a needle and workout...theres alot more to it ..im not being a dick..
just trying to help out
relax bro..its better to just explain it.. then to start an argument..help him out..pro
702daswoll1
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Run the Winstrol at 50mg ed and the Dianabol at 30mg ed split into two doses. There is your answer.
lookinfit75
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It would probably be better if you pinned the Winny but seriously, there's probably no real reason to run both. Like Pimpin said, man up and pin some Test E or C at 250mgs/week for 8 weeks and add that DBol at 25-30mgs/ED for the first 4 weeks and you'll see some nice gains. The gains might be sloppy if you don't watch your diet and you'll probably loose it all along with your nuts and your hard-ons for a while if you don't plan out a reasonable PCT but that's on you to figure that one out since there doesn't seem to be a consensus on what proper PCT is. You'll need to get your hands on some Tamox, Proviron, and HCG for the PCT. Shit, I'd even go so far as to get Sustain as part of pre-PCT and actual PCT.
Anyway, hit up NeedTo for a good strategy on PCT. He'll hook you up solid and good luck.
Anyway, hit up NeedTo for a good strategy on PCT. He'll hook you up solid and good luck.
mrplunkey
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I personally think stacking two hepatoxic drugs is just bad mojo. I'm sure you could work-out a compromise dose between the two and I'm also sure "pros do it all the time". But I still just don't like it.
Also, I believe trying to get "big" and "cut" at the same time really confuses your body. Our bodies are really good at ignoring transient changes in diet and exercise. So gain size, let your body get used to keeping it for a few months, then start cutting.
Think of lean body mass growth like a train, and a train won't move any faster than its slowest car. Your cars are diet, training, SLEEP... then hormones. So don't try to speed-up the hormone car if the diet, training or sleep cars have bad wheels.
And finally, your age is a little troubling. My workout partner started gear at an early age (18 I believe) and I think exogenous hormones introduced when your own levels should be peaking might be a pain-in-the-ass long-term. For my partner, if he's not cycling he can barely drag himself into the gym. When he does lift, all he can talk about is either being on steroids or about when he's going to start his next cycle. I know that's only a single person, but this personal experience has really left an impression on me. You don't want to be sticking yourself in the ass because you "have to" 30 years from now, do you?
Also, I believe trying to get "big" and "cut" at the same time really confuses your body. Our bodies are really good at ignoring transient changes in diet and exercise. So gain size, let your body get used to keeping it for a few months, then start cutting.
Think of lean body mass growth like a train, and a train won't move any faster than its slowest car. Your cars are diet, training, SLEEP... then hormones. So don't try to speed-up the hormone car if the diet, training or sleep cars have bad wheels.
And finally, your age is a little troubling. My workout partner started gear at an early age (18 I believe) and I think exogenous hormones introduced when your own levels should be peaking might be a pain-in-the-ass long-term. For my partner, if he's not cycling he can barely drag himself into the gym. When he does lift, all he can talk about is either being on steroids or about when he's going to start his next cycle. I know that's only a single person, but this personal experience has really left an impression on me. You don't want to be sticking yourself in the ass because you "have to" 30 years from now, do you?
DJ_UFO
Banned
Forget it guys...he is not coming back to keep reading this thread. Somebody already posted the doses and now that's what he is gonna run. Period. He don't give a fuck about anything else. he has the dbol, he has the winny and he has in his mind a picture of himself big and plump with a nice tan wearing a speedo on a caribbean island surrounded by hot girls.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.
still bro 2 orals.. i dont think you should
Yeah i'm going to just do D-bol,
Thanks for all the advise guys
