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Is Clomid Enough for Sust 250?

usc2001

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How often/what amount/when to begin?

Yes...Im a stupid 1st cycle newbie (I can feel a flame coming) and I have read the stickies and threads here, but cannot find what I am looking for.

what would you need for a Sust 250 PCT?

Assuming 2 amps sust/week for 10 wks...

Does clomid itself have side effects?

Thanks
 
usc2001 said:
How often/what amount/when to begin?

Yes...Im a stupid 1st cycle newbie (I can feel a flame coming) and I have read the stickies and threads here, but cannot find what I am looking for.

what would you need for a Sust 250 PCT?

Assuming 2 amps sust/week for 10 wks...

Does clomid itself have side effects?

Thanks



Theres a good chance that anyone that replies is going to say Clomid and nolva for 6 weeks and you will probably want to get HCG for three weeks after the cycle and also consider having hcg and nolva on hand during for possible gyno, water retention and atrophy, and i know what you mean about reading the stickys and not finding an answer i always read through threads and stickys but usually end up posting my Q anyway just to get a straight answer, with a long running test cycle you want to be prepared at the end with proper pct and also have some left over for during the cycle because there are a lot more possible side effects with test that you dont want.
 
usc2001 said:
How often/what amount/when to begin?

Yes...Im a stupid 1st cycle newbie (I can feel a flame coming) and I have read the stickies and threads here, but cannot find what I am looking for.

what would you need for a Sust 250 PCT?

Assuming 2 amps sust/week for 10 wks...

Does clomid itself have side effects?

Thanks

Please refer to the thread entitled "Post Cycle Therapy." I will be happy to answer any additional questions afterwards.

If you want an immediate answer to the title of this thread, no Clomid is not enough.

Jenetic
 
Clomid and nolva for 6 weeks and you will probably want to get HCG for three weeks after the cycle and also consider having hcg and nolva on hand during for possible gyno, water retention and atrophy,

Thanks J

Can you expand on this for me?

Why would I need additional agents--such as HCG and nova?

What do they offer/bring to the table that Clomid doesnt?

What about shorteneing the Sust cycle...would that help with post-cycle complications?

apprec

usc
 
usc2001 said:
Clomid and nolva for 6 weeks and you will probably want to get HCG for three weeks after the cycle and also consider having hcg and nolva on hand during for possible gyno, water retention and atrophy,

Thanks J

Can you expand on this for me?

Why would I need additional agents--such as HCG and nova?

What do they offer/bring to the table that Clomid doesnt?

What about shorteneing the Sust cycle...would that help with post-cycle complications?

apprec

usc


I will try to explain but hopefully jenetic responds also he will make it alot clearer than i will. First off its your first cycle i really dont know about shortening it, 10 weeks is not that bad but it is along time and since it is your first cycle you dont really know if your gyno prone yet or if you will get that soft puffy look so having extra nolva on hand is important because nolva directly combats gyno and gyno you dont want! HCG is very important with a long test cycle because when used at a somewhat low dose in the middle and with a normal dose at the end it will jumpstart your natural test production and keep YOUR BALLS FROM SHRINKING! When you end the cycle you will want to start PCT (im not sure the time you should wait after your last shot) to be safe you want to incorporate HCG for the first three weeks to get your balls back to normal and your nat. test prod. so you dont have the "CRASH" at the end thats the main use of hcg. Nolva is alot like clomid that is true but its purpose to my knowledge is that it directly attacks gyno which I think clomid does not so its use especially with test is important so having all three with a long test cycle would greatly benefit you.
 
usc2001 said:
Clomid and nolva for 6 weeks and you will probably want to get HCG for three weeks after the cycle and also consider having hcg and nolva on hand during for possible gyno, water retention and atrophy,

Thanks J

Can you expand on this for me?

Why would I need additional agents--such as HCG and nova?

What do they offer/bring to the table that Clomid doesnt?

What about shorteneing the Sust cycle...would that help with post-cycle complications?

apprec

usc

HCG causes a dramatic increase in testosterone production, spermatogenesis and testicular volume. Clomid and Nolvadex are primarily anti estrogens. They increase testosterone production in a secondary manner.

Begin PCT one week after your last injection. PCT should consist of 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. Then, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks followed by blood work to evaluate your recovery.

I would highly recommend blood work after completion of PCT if you decide to use Clomid and/or Nolvadex without HCG.

Jenetic
 
thanks guys

so, J...

just to get this striaght

10 wks of sust

1 week after last sust injection: 1000 IUs HCG. continue to take 1000 3x a week MWF

1 week after last sust injection: 20 mgs Nolva 3x a week for 3 weeks.

Im assuming these can be taken at the same time...

After the 3 weeks of Nolva/HCG is over, drop the HCG and continue with the Nolva, which remains at 20mgs/week, 3x a week

now...2 questions:

when is Clomid introduced into my PCT (if at all...)?

I have seen logs of posters here who "liver protecters" during a cycle....can anyone lend some insight about this as well



Thanks again
 
usc2001 said:
Clomid and nolva for 6 weeks and you will probably want to get HCG for three weeks after the cycle and also consider having hcg and nolva on hand during for possible gyno, water retention and atrophy,

Thanks J

Can you expand on this for me?

Why would I need additional agents--such as HCG and nova?

What do they offer/bring to the table that Clomid doesnt?

What about shorteneing the Sust cycle...would that help with post-cycle complications?

apprec

usc

i believe clomid is a suicide aromatase inhibitor prevents the conversion of testosterone to estorgen

where as novla binds to the estrogen receptor sites and prevents the effects of estrogen
 
I found this in one of the stickies...

why does it state that you should stack with Proviron (50 mg) or arimidex (0.5 mg) for this duration as well?

what does this do?

can i get a dumbed-down version of PCT, including these two (if needed), showing me when they should be incorporated into my Nolva/HCG therapy ?

thnaks again


If problems of Gynocomastia or other estrogen related symptoms tend to pop up during a cycle the use of 20-30 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid daily should easily contain the problem, and be used until a few days after the problem subsides. For best results and the least amount of problems upon cessation it is best stacked with Proviron (50 mg) or arimidex (0.5 mg) for this duration as well. Its not advised that these products be ran concomitantly with the steroid for the entire duration of the stack, as this will reduce your gains. Instead cease the usage of anti-estrogens once the problem is contained, and should the problem resurface, simply recommence the use of the products in the same manner as described above.

Once a cycle of steroids is concluded one should always initiate a post-cycle therapy to help bring back natural testosterone as soon as possible. This will help you to retain the mass you gained. How this is done depends highly on the type of steroid used. If only orals were used, therapy should start immediately, even the last day of the stack. If short-acting esters or water-based injectables were used, therapy should commence within 4-7 days after last injection, and if long-acting esters were used then it should commence 1.5 to 2 weeks after the last injection was given. The length of the therapy will vary as well, from 3-5 weeks. The longer acting the product was, the longer therapy should be continued to make sure all suppressive factors are cleared before use of Clomid/Nolvadex is discontinued.

For best results, it is best stacked with HCG (Human Chorionic gonadotrophin), which functions as an LH analog and can help bring testicle size back up. HCG use starts the last week of a cycle, and on from there every 5-6 days (usually 1500-3000 IU) and discontinued 1.5 to weeks prior to the cessation of Nolvadex/clomid. The reason being that HCG itself is also suppressive of natural testosterone and should be out of the body before therapy is over, or it will inhibit natural testicle function. But I can not stress enough that HCG possibly plays a more important role in post-cycle therapy than clomid/Nolvadex. For Clomid and Nolvadex, doses are usually tapered down. Its best to start with 40-50 mg of Nolvadex or 150 mg of Clomid for the first week or the first two weeks, and then finish the program with 20-25 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid for an additional two weeks.
 
Fat Sumo wrote:

HOW TO USE HCG

It is best to prevent testicular atrophy in the first place rather than trying to bringing the boys back to size after they have already atrophied.
With this in mind prudent use of hcg is DURING a cycle.

HCG can be taken either IM or sub Q in the fat and yes you can mix it with your oils.

Take it at 500iu's every 3rd or 4th day while on cycle.


Some use it post cycle at higher doses after their testes have already shrunk. This method works but I do not believe that it is the best way to use HCG. In this method one injects a high dose of hcg right near the end ofa cycle but before clomid. The opening dose is often 3000iu's followed sometimes by another 3000 4 days latter and then 1500iu's every 4th or 5th day and then the last shot is usually only 1000iu's....total time three weeks.
No use taking clomid or nolav with the HCG since HCG will supress the hpta all by itself via the testosterone production it stimulates.

WARNING.....if you use hcg at a high dose for too long you might desensitize the testes to LH so don't get carried away with it.



How many here beleive in using HCG DURING cycle?

If I am to use it with Sust 250, how much/how often would I take it..?

The more I research it, the more I lean in that direction...


http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327882
 
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