***Important matter for anyone on HRT right now***

[-SD-]

Ive been on HRT, Test Cyp 100mg/wk for 10 months now and had my sperm count tested and its at ZERO. Im certain this is due to the HRT Ive been on. To my knowledge I was not aware such a low dose would shut down sperm production to zero but here I am and have to deal with it.
Any of you guys that have been on HRT for an appreciable amount of time I would strongly suggest getting sperm count tested (unless you dont care, up to you), and also getting a full metabolic panel lab done at least every 6 months. Last time I did a full lab work up everything was ok, but that didnt include sperm count test of course so hopefully when I get another full lab report everything else will be ok.

Just a heads up in case bros havent thought of this sort of thing while chugging along on HRT.

 

[Zyglamail]

Of course any exo test, especially over long periods, with affect natural test production. Does your HRT include HCG?

 

[-SD-]

Of course any exo test, especially over long periods, with affect natural test production. Does your HRT include HCG?

No, I use no ancillaries at all and I know thats probably not the best but still thought such a low dose wouldnt necessitate anything. The HRT clinic did not mention any need for anything else and honestly I dont think they care. If HCG was sold in 1000i.u. amounts I would get one a month, since its no good after 30 days from reconstitution. But Im stuck buying either 5000i.u. or 10000.i.u amounts which is a big waste since all I think I would need is 1000i.u. a month for maintenance purposes.

 

[Zyglamail]

take 250IU 2 days before test inj and then again the day before test injection each week. Get the 5000IU jug and you should be able to run it 5 weeks if you use BA Water.

 

[pendit]

Ive been on HRT, Test Cyp 100mg/wk for 10 months now

You wouldn't happen to have recent bloodwork results showing test levels? Any other sides outside of 0 sperm count?

 

[-SD-]

You wouldn't happen to have recent bloodwork results showing test levels? Any other sides outside of 0 sperm count?

gonna get that done ASAP. when i last had it done after 5 months everything was great.

 

[pendit]

gonna get that done ASAP. when i last had it done after 5 months everything was great.

Awesome. I'm very interested in the total and free test numbers and estrogen.

 

[clozto50]

Well lets think about this for a minute! Who usually does hrt, us older guys. We normally already have children so low sperm count shouldnt be a big deal.Now if you want kids then you need to go a different route. Im 48 and my wife wants a child(she is 24) ,and Ive been doing hrt for seveal years. What you will need to do(only if you want kids ) is hcg,hmg,and dostinex. I could explain what each one of these drugs do and how much but you can look these up . As stated if you dont want kids why worry about it?

 

[pendit]

Im 48 and my wife wants a child(she is 24)

Damn I'd give you karma if I could.

 

[clozto50]

Yes thats what all my buddies say.lol! Not to tute my own horn but not only is she 24 she just won a figure competition! I have to admit having a young wife is great but it comes with a price,aint nothing for nothing!

 

[thelion2005]

Ive been on HRT, Test Cyp 100mg/wk for 10 months now and had my sperm count tested and its at ZERO. Im certain this is due to the HRT Ive been on. To my knowledge I was not aware such a low dose would shut down sperm production to zero but here I am and have to deal with it.
Any of you guys that have been on HRT for an appreciable amount of time I would strongly suggest getting sperm count tested (unless you dont care, up to you), and also getting a full metabolic panel lab done at least every 6 months. Last time I did a full lab work up everything was ok, but that didnt include sperm count test of course so hopefully when I get another full lab report everything else will be ok.

Just a heads up in case bros havent thought of this sort of thing while chugging along on HRT.

Interesting!!
Free vas?

 

[1500]

SD, i had a friend go through this. His sperm count went back to normal pretty quickly from what i remember. Has two beautiful children now.

 

[-SD-]

SD, i had a friend go through this. His sperm count went back to normal pretty quickly from what i remember. Has two beautiful children now.

i know it will go back. i was throwing this out there since i havent seen any mention of this side effect on any HRT threads.

 

[XMAN.]

how much hcg , hmg and dostinex per week we should run while on hrt to stay fertile or do we have to stop hrt for a while while doing this?

 

[-SD-]

update:
I feel much better after getting on HCG since stopping the test. Going to an endo specialist tomorrow AM and will let you guys know what they say.

 

[CheapPinz]

good luck

 

[-SD-]

Went to the endo today and she said in over 20 years shes never seen anything like me. Meaning shes never seen anyone self order testosterone on the internet from a HRT clinic, then get a hold of HCG afterwards. LOL
She also said HCG does no good when it comes to any of this and my body has to get back to normal on its own. So Im stopping the HCG (Ive already taken a good amount anyhow) and just letting my body do its thing. She said it could take 2 years for sperm count to get back, holy shit. Also said I might be calling her nurse whining like a bitch since Im shut down and will take a while to readjust. I dont know, I dont feel bad or anything, maybe that starts soon or something. Hope shes wrong about that part.

 

[RobertD1885]

My situation is similar to Clozto50. I'm 48, but would like to have kids in the future. I don't want to commitment myself to something that is going to kill my sperm production. I just want to try HRT to see if it improves my situation (fatigue, reduced sx drive), but I read comments like "HRT is for life", and it scares me away. My questions are:
1. Clozto50, or anyone else in a similiar situation taking hcg etc. to retain sperm count, what clinic are you using?
2. Can I just try it for a month or two and see how it effects me., without experiencing a protracted or permanent reduction in Test production after the end of the 'cycle'?
3. Do hcg et al have any significant side effects? I don't want to be one of those people that takes A and B to enhance one's health, but then needs to take C, D, E, and F to counter the side effects of A and B. And I don't want to have to become an expert in pharama terms (even thought I have a degree in Chemistry).

 

[clozto50]

Robert you may want to wait to do trt until you have a kid! Yes you can take hcg, hmg and dostinex to maintane your sperm count but at our age it gets risky. Anytime you take exogenous testosterone you will interfere with your natuural hormone balance. I would get a sperm count first to see where you are at.You can go to (anylabtestnow.com) and have it done at one of there stores. I f you are borederline less than 20 million you may want to wait.If you are close to this then I would look into taking as much care as possible if you decide to go ahead. That is getting plenty of hcg ,hmg ,dostinex and testosterone undecanoate which seems to have the least effect on your hormones. All this being said I would recommend getting jiggy with it and having a baby asap. Its also kind of a catch 22 in that test makes us want to have sex alot more ie. more chance for babies,but kicks the shit out of our sperm count, and if you live in the US good luck getting test un legally(what a shame)! Good luck hope this helps any other questions I will try and help. PS after 10 years of cycles Im still trying to get my sperm count up.

 

[RobertD1885]

Thanks Clozto. I live about a mile from one of those anylabtestnow franchises (Being a former Engineer I assumed that they did tests for industry not for medical purposes). So that would be very convenient for me. But I don't see sperm count as one of the tests that they offer. Have you actually had a sperm test there? FWIW, I had my sperm count tested about 7 years ago and it was above average, I don't remember the numbers.
eta: I am researching HRT because I am exhausted much of the time and after dealing with my other commitments I am not real motivated to get jiggy with much of anything. Hence I am significantly constrained from acting on your recommendation.

 

[clozto50]

I live part time in Ft Lauderdale and the one here offers sperm tests. Yes I UNDERSTAND TOTALLY your predicament about starting hrt! My wife is young and wants a kid so I stopped for 6 months TRT. Man that sucked big time. I was able to get everything back except high sperm count. I have no idea what it was before many cycles but it was about zero after 1 month on pct,and about half what I needed after 6 months. Maybe a year off would do it but that will really bite. I was not a real happy camper to say the least,good thing I know other ways to satisfy my wife lol! Anyway Im sure the cycles I did of tren and deca also hurt because they both seemed to whack my prolactin out. I f you have never done anything try it for lets say 3 months on about 100mg week ! This shouldnt shut you down to bad and if you run hcg it might be even easier on your system. I f you have access to dostinex (cabergoline) and hmg that would probably give you a safe trial run on trt. Then you can decide whats your priority,hey adoption aint out of the question yet for me. Well let us know what you decide it will be interesting to follow! It seems this is an upcoming question for middle aged men.

 

[pendit]

My situation is similar to Clozto50. I'm 48, but would like to have kids in the future. I don't want to commitment myself to something that is going to kill my sperm production. I just want to try HRT to see if it improves my situation (fatigue, reduced sx drive), but I read comments like "HRT is for life", and it scares me away. My questions are:
1. Clozto50, or anyone else in a similiar situation taking hcg etc. to retain sperm count, what clinic are you using?
2. Can I just try it for a month or two and see how it effects me., without experiencing a protracted or permanent reduction in Test production after the end of the 'cycle'?
3. Do hcg et al have any significant side effects? I don't want to be one of those people that takes A and B to enhance one's health, but then needs to take C, D, E, and F to counter the side effects of A and B. And I don't want to have to become an expert in pharama terms (even thought I have a degree in Chemistry).

I have no experience with question 1, but 2 and 3 are hard to answer. We all react differently to test, hcg, etc. I was quite irritated, etc when I was suffering with low T. Within a month of starting therapy, I felt much calmer. Things that would drive me insane don't even bother me anymore. So a two month trial period may be enough to let you feel the difference in well being.

As for HCG, I get gyno flareups even from the smallest dosages. Really annoying. Again, everyone reacts differently so you won't know till you try

 

[RobertD1885]

I was quite irritated, etc when I suffering with low T. ...Things that would drive me insane don't even bother me anymore.

I can relate in a way. The only way I seem to get anything done now is in a crisis situation or some kind of adversarial confrontation. Both of which create an adrenaline rush which allows me to focus and gets me off my butt. My theory being that I am on some subconscious level creating these crisis situations and adversarial confrontations for the adrenaline rush and/or to stimulate testosterone production in the adrenal glands.