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i'm very confussed ed coan or westside?

sloppy joe

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i tried using the ws training method, i liked it but i hurt my shoulder.so i went back to my old faithful ed coan periodalization routine.its worked like a charm i have a meet this weekend and if i make all my planned 3rd atttemps i will have put 80-85lbs on my total.i'm confussed about what method of training to use after the meet.ws/method seems to be the training method of choice,but i've always done so well with the ed coan routine.i'm just very confussed.i would like to hear some of your own opinions and ideas.thanks in advance.
 
Dont be silly. If the Ed Coans program worked for you then stick with it. Dont go back to westside if you got injured from it. WS seems to be the only choice but its not. Go with what works. Go with what helped you put 85lbs on your total. And besides Ed Coan is way stronger then WS.
 
I agree. If it aint broke dont fix it! Westside works, but so does many other techniques. You can always train sloppy joe style. You ever thought of that? Throw in what exercises you like of westside and use Coans appraoch as sets and reps and make it custom to you. Until recently that was what mine looked like. Not Coan though, but i did my version of what i think worked. Threw in this took out that and bam! The powerlifterjay workout!
 
I have to agree with the theory that you should do whatever works best for you. I am constantly modifying what I do. I steal ideas from all kinds of sources, Louie Simmons, Dave Tate, Bob Youngs, PowerlifterJay, Cubanito, bigokie, Screwball, and rarely, just every once in a while I come up with an idea on my own.

I don't think that following anything dogmatically is necessarily a great idea. What works for me may not be the best thing for you and vice versa. Whatever path you take, just make sure it is a template and keep it flexible.

B.
 
Sloppy joe, up until about 2 and 1/2 months ago, I was doing an
Ed Coan/MAX-OT type of thing. It worked great for my squat
and DL. I was squatting in the 300s last year when I stared
my thing. Got to a 505 pound wraps and belt squat and a 615 DL while doing the Ed Coan/MAX-OT thing. Swithced to WS
because my bench was stalled at 305 pounds.

Hoping WS will really move my bench up.

A side note about WS. I blew out my bicep tendon about 10 days
back. I cannot do upper body or lower body where I grab the bar.
Had to get in a workout, so I did leg presses. Have note done
those and months and I killed my old PR. I put my feet high up
on the foot plate and went to town. I attribute this huge jump
to WS. When I get better and get into a squat suit, I expect a
huge PR in the squat.
 
Hey sloppy Dude use whatever works for you. WS may be talked alot on this board b/c many train like that. But here's how I see it if your using a workout that works for you do it until it doesn't work anymore then switch. I like tha fact that with WS I can spend 45 min in the gym and I'm outta there, that's great.

Bench dude you take ideas from me, SWEET. I feel loved ;) J/M Good to know I can help others out that have helped me.
 
Funny you mention the leg press...

I hate leg presses and never do them EXCEPT.. When my bulging lumbar disc flares up which it has in the last 6 weeks..

I have been damned to the leg press machine.. no squats.. I must be in HELL:mad:

Anyway ,.. I hadnt leg pressed since starting my WSB about 8 mos ago.. When getting back on it I threw the weight around also.. My frontal quads were really sore afterwards but I can tell the strength increase was due to hip flexor strength which is what I (WSB) had focused on.... It was almost shocking..
Goes to show ya the flexors and core are the main movers ...
not the quads... I didnt believe it at first but am a believer now
Like they say work what is good for you.. throw in some hip flexor work (additional wkouts, band work etc ) you wont be sorry
 
I'm all for doing whatever works.

That said, I have a question:

Westside (conjugate training) is a method. It is a schedule or training regimen, not a movement. How does "westside" hurt your shoulder?
 
spatterson said:
I'm all for doing whatever works.

That said, I have a question:

Westside (conjugate training) is a method. It is a schedule or training regimen, not a movement. How does "westside" hurt your shoulder?


Just to play devils advocate, say I were to invent the "southside" training regimen consisting of working up to a 1 rep max 4 days a week in behind the neck barbell military presses..

one could say "Southside" hurt my shoulder, (which I'm sure it would hurt anyones shoulder), because the regimen was poorly designed in terms of shoulder joint safety..the movement itself not bieng unsafe (since behind the neck press is perfectly safe if done properly), but the rep schema and overall workload is highly shoulder unsafe..


with this in mind, I can see how one can say a particular routine "hurt" them..

however, all this bieng said, I don't see how one could say westside is "hard" on your shoulders, since the pressing volume is lower then periodization, and the pressing techniques are favorable towards shoulder health...

so I do believe overall "routines" can hurt you, but I do NOT believe west side in particular could hurt your shoulders more then any other routine provided the lifts are done properly..
 
Westside works to a 1-3 rep max 2x a week; once for squat and once for bench. Just wanted to put that out there.

I am familiar with Ed Coan's techniques, and his form does not differ greatly from that used by any other lifter. So it MUST be the volume and or intensity. What I don't understand is how 3-4 sets of 10-15 is unusual to PLs or BBs.

What did you do differently with your shoulders under Westside that you did/didn't do with Coan's advice? What makes it easier on your shoulder?
 
Westside

Monday: Max Effort Squat
Wednesday: Max Effort Bench
Friday: Dynamic Effort Squat
Sunday: Dynamic Effort Bench

This is the basic format or template used by Westside Barbell Club. A summary is provided below:

Monday: Max Effort Squat Day
Format:
One Max Effort Exercise: Good Mornings 70%, Low Box Squatting 20%, Deadlifting 10%: Increase weight in small increments for sets of three. When three reps become difficult, drop to singles until a one-rep max is reached.

Supplemental Exercise: Hamstrings: Glute Ham Raises, Stiff Leg Deadlifts, Romanian Deadlifts: Sets and reps are up to the lifter.

Accessory Exercise: Reverse Hypers: Sets and reps up to the lifter

Accessory Exercise: Abs

Wednesday: Max Effort Bench Day
Format:
One Max Effort Exercise: Floor, Board, Close Grip, Incline Presses: Increase weight in small increments for sets of three. When three reps become difficult, drop to singles until a one-rep max is reached.

Supplemental Exercise: Triceps: Lying extensions and presses: Sets and reps are up to the lifter.

Accessory Exercise: Lats: any type of rows.

Accessory Exercise: Shoulders and extra triceps.

Friday: Dynamic Effort Squat Day
Format:
Box Squats: 8 sets of 2 reps using the Dynamic Effort Method

Supplemental Exercise: Hamstrings: Glute Ham Raises, Stiff Leg Deadlifts, Romanian Deadlifts: Sets and reps are up to the lifter.

Accessory Exercise: Reverse Hypers: Sets and reps up to the lifter

Accessory Exercise: Abs

Sunday: Dynamic Effort Bench Day
Format:
Bench Press: 8 sets of 3 reps using the Dynamic Effort Method.

Supplemental Exercise: Triceps: lying extensions or presses: Sets and reps are up to the lifter.

Accessory Exercise: Lats: any type of rows.

Accessory Exercise: Shoulders and extra triceps.

The Conjugated Periodization method, utilizing the maximal effort, and dynamic effort methods have propelled Westside Barbell Club into strength greatness. The special exercises used by Westside have also had a great impact on the progress and success of its lifters. By applying these methods to your training program, you will see dramatic differences in maximal strength levels. I should know because I have been a member for the last 10 years and have seen my lifts go from a 750 squat to a 935, a 500 bench to a 585, and a 680 deadlift to a 740



Or Ed Coan's workout from Muscle and Fitness?


Day 1
squat 7-10 sets 2-8 reps
single leg press 2 sets 10-12 reps
single leg curl 2 sets 10-12 reps
Leg Extentions 2 sets 10-12 reps
Seated calf raise 3 sets 10-12 reps
Crunch 3 sets 20 reps

day 2 REST

day 3
Bench Press 7-10 sets 2-8 reps
Close-Groip Bench 2 sets 10-12 reps
Incline Bench Press 2 sets 10-12 reps
Overhead Tri extentions 2 sets 10-12 reps or lying french press
side bends, russian twist or weighted crunch 3 sets 20 reps

day 4
Conventional Deadlift 7-10 reps 2-8 reps
Stiff-legged deadlists 2 sets 8-10 reps
Bent over barbell row 2 sets 8-10 reps
T-bar rows 2 sets 8-10 reps
Med-Wide grip pull-ups r pulldowns 2 sets 8-10 reps
Seated calves 2 sets 20 reps
crunch 3 sets 20 reps

Day 5
behind the neck press 5 sets 2-8 reps
Front Dumbell press 3 sets 8-10 reps
Lateral raises 3 sets 8-10 reps
Press down 3 sets 8-10 reps
Weighed dips 2 sets 15 reps
Standing barbell curl 2 sets 20 reps
side bends, russian twist or weighted crunch 3 sets 20 reps
 
Still don't see what makes shoulder work harder. There's actually a heck of alot more shoulder work in the Coan program than I ever do.
 
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If your routine aint broke why fix it?

I am starting to learn....its not what program you do....but how your training works for you.
How you train shouldnt have a name....do whats right for you.
as jay said go sloppy joe style. like i train "endpoint style"

....that being said "westside" is a fine tuned system....if your gonna mess with it make sure it works for you.
I have seen people whinge "i have lost on my bench" "its not working".....because people dont adjust the variables to suit themselves and thier weakness (variables as in sets and reps on assistance.....and what exercises they do.....how low the percentage on speed work is etc)
they stick to what dave tate has prescribed in an article...as he said he doesnt know how your body responds to different rep ranges so tailor it to yourself.
westside isnt a copy paste routine....its a system


I stubbed my toe whilst i was in the gym on my speed day....does westside speed days cause toe injurys?
 
you bumped a 6 1/2 year old thread
 
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