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thanks, actually, I don't follow these specific numbers, cause I don't like to count calories too much work, but I follow the concept behind it, I consume the amount of protein I need, and that never changes, but then I slowly lower fats and carbohydrates as I need to loose more bodyfat, and it's worked great for taking bodyfat off.. but I've layed this out for some people and they've done well on it... infact a friend of mine who has a real hard time gaining muscle, because his metabolism is so god damn fast followed this but he added 600 to the base Calories Per Day instead of subtracting
and has put on muscle, he should actually probably add more then 600, he didn't put on alot of raw size but got a really hard-dense defined look with some added muscle.
 
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Wow, u can really feel the sincerity here!....ahem.......

Bro, no one is going to tear into you for offering to help others, so there is no reason to worry about how others will "look at your help and intentions", unless you are worried about that sub-consciously in some way/shape/form. I have nothing to do with your new hobby, so why you even mentioned me, I have no idea. Your thread title should have merely been something like "Try this diet, it can help you" or something similar. It's how I got started lke 4 years ago on the Net bro. U can post anything you wish without having to give a reason why you are doing it. (within the mods regulations of course) I believe people will remember you bashing me, but this is your thread about helping people, it has nothing to do with SwoleCat brotha. I bet no one would have even made that connection, aside from yourself. Good to hear u are positive now though, that's a start! I have three suggestions though..........

1) As a thread meant to help those in need of diet advice, I think this would be better served in the DIET forum, where things such as this are looked for. Many would take heed to your advice there for sure (Unless u wanted a greater # of people to see you mentioned me, and believed your post would deter my would-be clients) Just an observation. It's like having progress pics within a scammer list forum.

2) The mention of "SwoleCat" in your advice takes away from what you are "genuinely" trying to offer in my opinion. If this is something you wish to do, u don't have to make it obvious and defend yourself and say "I'm not doing this because I don't like the idea of people paying SC for advice, so here is a diet free". I'm not worried or concerned over your newfound love to help, and that it's going to take clients away from me or harm my business bro. There is also no assurance that others will find merit in what you have offered. Ultimately, the individual will know what he/she needs and wants, and shall choose appropriately.

3) The diet you have laid out by reducing all macros equally amongst the daily meals, is the traditional method of "dieting". Not meaning to bash your style (like it matters after your personal attacks on me) but reducing the KCals as you have, assures the user he/she will lose fat AND muscle at about the same rate. I believe you wanted NATURAL people to use this right? If so, that lowers success on this type of diet as well. I won't place what has been shown to work very well in these situations and/or what I employ or recommend, because this thread is not about my service, it's about your diet, so we should all respect that! Just letting u know reducing all macros equally is disaster 75% of the time. The other 25% of the time, those SENSITIVE to carbs won't have any succcess on this layout. That's a fact too. I am sure someone will do your diet and have success though, I'm not saying they all will not.

Another cool thing too in all this new "group hug harmony"..........my recent "7 days to Leanness" at T-Mag was free as well bro, so you are off the hook in having to provide such info free, I didn't charge for that, so that saves you time as well! Cool beans huh??? You could always develop your own though, hey, it's a free world let me tell ya! Glad you are helping others out, that's great! Let us know when you have your message board and site all up and running and rarin' to go! Hope you are able to help tons of peeps my man. An amazing transformation you have made attitude wise, and I feel so much better knowing you're not demeaning me and cutting me down, as I got no sense of that at all in this post, not even a remote hint, it's all genuine, as I am sure all will be able to decipher!

So happy you are not another Anthony Ellis impersonator!! He'll be hating life, per Anthony himself!

Regards,
~SC~XXL~2K3~
 
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increase protein intake while decreasing carbs, how much will depend on the person. in general for someone that does not want to count calories, fats, protein, carbs..........there is a simple solution that i found to work for many

1) eat 5 meals per day

2) eat a protion of protein with every meal (portion being the size of the palm of your hand, best sources being egg whites, chicken breast, lean red meats, fat-free cottage chz, grilled fish)

3) eat a portion of carbs with first 3 meals (portion being the size of your fist, good choices are oats, yams, rice)

4) eat a veggies with all your meals (broccili, calliflower, lettice, peppers, mushrooms, onions)

simple and works great

I would add to drink 1 gallon of water per day and also make sure you are eating healthy fats (avacodo, almonds, flax). Overall this is a solid plan that works with most individuals.

Variation,
Your diet will not be effective will a large percentage of people. To many carbs.

And SC is right, this should be in the diet forum.
 
Variation... I think ~SC~ hit the nail on the head. Your diet looks like a sure fire way to lose muscle fast. You will lose fat as well, but at an equal rate w/ muscle.
 
definately will not loose muscle/fat at equal ratio, infact if muscle is lost it will be minimal, as long as you recieve as much protein as your body needs... then dietary protein will be burned, but your body should not even be burning little protein due to the fact carbs are higher and carbs are primary source of energy that the body will use, so they will be burned up for the most part first. and since the carbs are high, the fat is relatively low...

ok SwoleCat, now that you claim to have found errors in my diet, would you mind backing it up with any scientific proof or reasonable logic...atleast? I want to know how reduces fat and carbs as you loose fat will result in muscle loss. due to the fact that you will be storing protein in this diet because of carbs. so even when all dietary carbs and fat are burned, your body still has fat and muscle on the body, and it will use more fat then muscle, and even when it uses muscle (which I think will be small amounts on this diet) you still have the new muscle your storing, from repair and build... so you could end up with even small gains. IMO anyway, show me what you think SwoleCat.
 
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I would add to drink 1 gallon of water per day and also make sure you are eating healthy fats (avacodo, almonds, flax). Overall this is a solid plan that works with most individuals.


i agree, i can be much more specific but many people would not care or take the time to weigh out protein and carb portions, track the amount of fats they ingest........the above plan while NOT AN OPTIMUM diet, i found to work GREAT for most
 
serge said:


i agree, i can be much more specific but many people would not care or take the time to weigh out protein and carb portions, track the amount of fats they ingest........the above plan while NOT AN OPTIMUM diet, i found to work GREAT for most

I understand. The four rules you stated, along with the additional two I have, are usually what I will have clients try to follow when I first begin to work with them. It is easy enough for most to understand and follow. Not optimum, but damn good and EASY TO FOLLOW. Even the best diet won't work if it is to complicated for people to understand.
 
variation said:
ok SwoleCat, now that you claim to have found errors in my diet, would you mind backing it up with any scientific proof or reasonable logic...atleast? I want to know how reduces fat and carbs as you loose fat will result in muscle loss. due to the fact that you will be storing protein in this diet because of carbs. so even when all dietary carbs and fat are burned, your body still has fat and muscle on the body, and it will use more fat then muscle, and even when it uses muscle (which I think will be small amounts on this diet) you still have the new muscle your storing, from repair and build... so you could end up with even small gains. IMO anyway, show me what you think SwoleCat. [/B]


Hold on, you post your diet after you say you have , and I quote, "I've done alot of research and read many
scientific studies and documents on nutrition", yet you don't list ANY OF THEM. Now, u want ME to post MINE? BWAHAHAHAH!!!
Somethin' triflin' right there bruh!

Well, my reasonable logic can be found all over my site (SwoleCat Forums) , along with those "scientific proof" referrals as you requested "sir" Take a looksie a@ MY BOARD, look a my clients, talk to them, look around, see who's all there, see who/what/why things/people are recommended, and gather all kinds of insight. then look at my pics. As well, look at the studies POSTED at my board about equal reduction of all macros as u suggesting making one a "SMALLER, JUST AS FAT PERSON", meaning same bodyfat percentatge. That is indeed what happens when you do as you have outlined. There are ways around that my man. I do what bodybuilders who compete know how to do, that is get shredded. They do not reduce over-all calories equally for optimal fat loss, trust me, I am one who does it all the time. There's some "reasonable logic" right there as well.
Also, if you think endo's are gonna be able to handle the carb amounts in the layout that many times per day, when they are only needed at certain times, especially for them, heck no. They'll even have trouble keepin' slin down all day, so letting fat be released and encouraged to be burnt, would not occur. You'd surely tap into muscle though, and if you were eating TOO much protiein, you'd assure yourself you burn even more. You can only do so much protein @ one sitting w/these kinds of people before you have them turning that into carbs, and burning muscle. It's one keen observation I've made way back in the day, before I found my way to do what I do, so I'm merely sharing that with you.

How about this, how about instead of a study ( I mentioned those are @ my board), how about YOU post a picture of yourself. Post a few w/documented changes to your approaches so we can see you "Walk the walk" as I have showcased for years. I won't even ask you to give "sources" of your info even though you have "read so much". Besides homeboy, this ain't a high school history class.........I need not supply you with a works cited page, lol, you're a funny guy though!

Also, look at the information in my auto-signature, then let's take a look at yours. I have references to top notch locations and well respected experts in their fields, and you make refernces to genital warts, and having a problem w/a burning sensation when you urinate. That one hits home, huh?

I think we all know the reason you chose to post what you did, hell, you had my name in your post more than your own. If I suck, don't know anything, then please get my name outta your mouth. You clearly don't know what your talking about, and each time you post, you make that highly more evident.

Funny how I breakdown an entire post to you, and give you "credit" for all of a sudden wanting to help others. However, it's turned into what YOU always turn conversations into......you shift the focus from you and your idea, to me now.........for what, this was YOUR POST ABOUT YOUR DIET. I've defended myself countless times here, and simply won't again, especially not for you. Come to my board, learn, relax, take the chip off your shoulder, be human, damn.

In case those things don't make sense to you, try this. Once and for all, just listen. I'm far too proven in vast areas all over the Net bro.......I've got hundreds of backers, clients and formers, sites, articles, success stories, parnterships (Mr. X), clothing, pictures, trophies, and a business I've been running for over two years, with an appearance in MuscleMag issue 259, check for it soon. Am I braggin, no, but I easily could.

Newsflash, I do this as my career and I'll continue to do so. This is not some "competition" with another from a message board as to who's diet is best. I just let past, present, future tell that story, and so far, you're not even two words into your story.
I defended what I did more than once with you and others, which was dumb as I should have explained myself once, then left it alone. However, I was always one to keep talking, but only because I had sound backing to do so. However, now, I let what I have done and will do very soon, talk all for me.

So make sure you listen up! :fro:

Now just put a fork in this topic of "ME" all the time. It's done....cooked.....burnt! Talk about your diet, remember, you are now helping people with their needs. Appear as a helper, not one that has no time to help because he's bickering with SwoleCat. SwoleCat is busy anyhow, LOL, so I'll play later on in the future.........you should just post a pic of yourself as a product of your diet, and that'll be the icing on the cake! You've proven yourself, now go help the world!

Best of luck to you if it's something you really love to do!

~SC~
 
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Also........

now, to help you out bruh, here's a response at my board about your thread from a well known board member. You probably don't want to have these kind of responses from people in your quest to assist others w/dietary advice. I'm guessing it's not the reaction that will have people trying your methods. Hope it helps!

It reads......

That idiot said, "For a great link to a "free" diet, lol!! Mofo would HAVE to pay ME to go on that diet, wow! I was expecting a keto diet or something. What that fool posted is useless information.

The sad part is that some uniformed trainee somewhere is actually gonna follow that diet. (probably not, lol) I thank the bodybuilding Gods everyday that i happened upon GotFina while doing research for what would have been my first cycle and came across Iron Addict, SB and Swole. I didn't need gear, I just didn't realize how outta whack my diet & training really were." Also didn't realize that there are key ways to do things that work because the people offering the help are proven and you know their shit works!

-HAAR

~SC~XXL~2K3~
 
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