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Okay guys or even girls who have been through this with their man,

My BF is about to start his first cycle of steroids. I don't know much about what he is taking but I do know as much as he has told me. He is only 20, weighs about 150 right now and and is about 5'11. He has told me the stuff he will be taking will make him gain about 30 lbs or so. He said he is stacking it with something else but I dont know what. This will be his FIRST time ever doing the hard core injections like this and I'm kind of scared. I've heard some pretty bad stories about guys who get on this stuff so I just want to know what I should prepare myself for. He has kind of a temper as is right now so I just dont want to be put in a situation I cant get out of.

Please I want as much feed back as I can get! I need your help guys...
 
Just marry me, I don't use steroids and have 0 temper. Sorry nothing serious to offer, hopefully someone else does
 
There's nothing to say here. This is a personal issue. I'm sure no one here feels he's qualified to take steroids so we really can't offer any help/suggestions.
 
at 20 years old it is a huge mistake to mess with steroids. and at his height and only 150 it is downright stupid and wreckless.

seems like he wants to cop the way out.

look at the vials of the stuff he is taking and tell us the name of what you see.. all the names.. that will be a big help and we will be able to tell you somewhat what you can expect.
 
He should not be doing this cycle. He obviously has no idea how to eat or train if he is 5'11" 150. He is also too young being 20. His natural testosterone levels are high enough to produce great gains if he would take the time and effort to get on a good diet and training regiment he would make great gains. People seem to think steroids are magical drugs that will just work regardless of how you eat or train and that's false. He is going to look like a bloated fish and lose everything he gains if anything.

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If the men will excuse my impudence, I'm going to jump in here. From what I'm hearing in your post, you're not anti-steroids, you're concerned and trying to educate yourself properly, and I think it's commendable.

That being said, please encourage your BF to join this forum before he does something stupid. Maybe the men here will be able to convince him that he's young to be starting, and also they'll look at his training and diet regimens and make sure they're properly dialed in, ensuring that he's maximized his own natural potential (which he can't possibly have done at 20, at 5'11" and 150 lbs.) before he jumps on the steroid wagon. I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar your BF could put on an easy 10 or maybe even 20 lbs of natural muscle if he is eating and working out correctly and maybe with a few OTC, legal supplements.

As to what to expect ... well, let's put it this way, take all of his personality traits, the good and the bad, and amp them up because steroids are just going to make him MORE of that. If he has a short temper, it's going to get shorter. If he's impatient, he'll be more so, etc., etc., etc. The short answer is steroids make men MORE male, physically and mentally (I don't think any of the experienced men on this board will disagree much with me). Heck, give any women enough testosterone and it'll turn her into a man.
 
believe me yall, i dont think he should be taking them either at all but he is dead set on it and for all the wrong reasons...i know!! he has been researching and talking about this for months. i'm not going to lie, he has tried a lot of other stuff out there to try to bulk up but nothing has worked, whether it be eating almost 8000 calories a day to taking prohormones. i should have been paying more attention but didnt think he was serious until he spent almost $600 on the stupid things. he hasnt gotten them in yet but when he does i will for sure let yall know what it is.

i have tried to change his mind but he has his reasons and is dead set on doing them. so i figured i will try to be there for him the best i can until i cant handle it, but im hoping it doesnt get to that point. i just need some feedback in the mean time, please!
 
^^ like mill said above he obviously doesn't know what he is doing. I would be concerned too.

and everyone on this board is 100% against steroid use for anyone under 21. that is one of our rules on here. so no one is gonna encourage him. he should come on here and we will tell him exactly what has been said already.

he needs to eat better and workout better. the gains will come. people want magical results without working for it.
 
i know yall are saying he shouldnt but he is a hard headed stubborn male. he is going to do it no matter what people tell him so i just want to know what i can do to help and make it easier on me..or the both of us i should say. what is good for post cycle after that kind of thing, what can he take during it to not make him have the worst side effects ever..i just need help!!!! im scared in a way for him, in a way for myself, and for our relationship.
 
he will be 21 in less than a week, by the time the stuff should come. thats why he has waited as long has he did. if it wasnt for the age restriction, he would have done it forever ago.
 
lovebug1310 said:
i know yall are saying he shouldnt but he is a hard headed stubborn male. he is going to do it no matter what people tell him so i just want to know what i can do to help and make it easier on me..or the both of us i should say. what is good for post cycle after that kind of thing, what can he take during it to not make him have the worst side effects ever..i just need help!!!! im scared in a way for him, in a way for myself, and for our relationship.
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without knowing what he is taking and the dosages, lengths etc. no way of giving you further advice.
 
lovebug1310 said:
i know yall are saying he shouldnt but he is a hard headed stubborn male. he is going to do it no matter what people tell him so i just want to know what i can do to help and make it easier on me..or the both of us i should say. what is good for post cycle after that kind of thing, what can he take during it to not make him have the worst side effects ever..i just need help!!!! im scared in a way for him, in a way for myself, and for our relationship.
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Let me help you out a lil cause all these guys are just gonna tell you how he shouldn't be doing it and all of them know damn well once a guy makes up his mind there is no turning back. If you're scared of the dreaded "roid rage" then don't be, cause it does not exsist. Make sure the lil skinny douche bag knows the ins and outs and the sides of the gear he is gonna be taking. You seem to be the intelligent one in the relationship, so you should educate yourself as much as possible. Make sure he understands that he will not have to take huge doses of anything at his age for great results and tell the prick to do his homework on Post Cycle Therapy. The PCT will in the end be far more important than the actual cycle. PM me if you need to. And one more thing, the only thing that will hurt your relationship with him, is giving him constant bullshit about it, he has obviously been upfront with you, so just be there for him, talk sense to him without bitching and nagging, and your relationship will be just fine.
 
Strongbow said:
If you're scared of the dreaded "roid rage" then don't be, cause it does not exsist.
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C'mon, SB, give the girl fair warning, now. Hot headed young men with very little self control and suddenly doubled or tripled testosterone levels have been known to do very, very stupid, thoughtless things.
 
okay!! i got him to text me what he is taking!!!

deca duraboln, testosterone enathate, and dianabol stack..

500 mg of the enathate for 10 weeks.
300 mg of the deca duraboln for 8 weeks.
and 20 mg of dianabol for the first 4 weeks.


does that help?? cause i have no idea what that means.
 
^^^ yup and that isn't a bad cycle at all. BUT not a good idea for a first cycle. deca is not easy to recover from and you need a very aggressive PCT if you are gonna run it.

he should save the deca for his 3rd cycle. by then he will have gained experience with cycling and PCT... tell him just run the dbol and test for a first cycle. tell him to come on here and I will explain this to him very clearly. he probably isn't gonna listen to you cause yes 21 year olds are stubborn. but he will wish he did 3 months after his cycle when his libido is shot and his test levels are stuck <100

also for his height I want him to atleast get up to 170+ before juicing. I think that is a reasonable request. other then that its up to him, he can take this advice or not.
 
ok here are his exact works when after he sent me what he was taking i asked "isnt that alot?" and this is what he said

kinda. like a 40 lb gain. its a cycle for size. so no. but for strength only cycle its a lot. and i'll be running nolvadex anti estrogen all the way through the 10 weeks and 4 weeks after. and clomid after the 10 week period. i run the clomid for 6 weeks. gets your hormones back to normal and keeps your gains.




does that help at all??
 
musclemom said:
C'mon, SB, give the girl fair warning, now. Hot headed young men with very little self control and suddenly doubled or tripled testosterone levels have been known to do very, very stupid, thoughtless things.
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Stupid is as Stupid does MM. Stupid and roid rage are two totally diffrent things, but yes high test levels will most likely make him want to bang all the time. If she keeps his sexual desires taken care of, she will likely have zero problems.
 
he needs hcg.. testosterone is extremely suppressive and will shut down the HPTA hard, he needs more then just clomid for PCT, deca suppresses you for a long period as the esthers stick around for weeks after the last injection. i would swap out nolva for cabaser while on. and i would have an AI on hand especially while he is on dbol.

also gaining 40 pounds is nonsense. if he does run that cycle he will gain a lot of water weight
 
stevesmi said:
he needs hcg.. testosterone is extremely suppressive and will shut down the HPTA hard, he needs more then just clomid for PCT, deca suppresses you for a long period as the esthers stick around for weeks after the last injection. i would swap out nolva for cabaser while on. and i would have an AI on hand especially while he is on dbol.

also gaining 40 pounds is nonsense. if he does run that cycle he will gain a lot of water weight
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Jesus Christ Steve, we agree on something :)
 
i agree whit thatbloke,,he doesnt know how to eat ,or he would have bulked up already,plus yea let him waste 600$ not gain shit,maybe he will think twice in the future
 
Yeah, he shouldn't run the Deca though. Thing that worries me is how small he is. Also, seeing he has tried PH's and eating a lot and nothing, well what is he eating and working out like. I see too many skinny dudes walk into the gym, do some bicept curls, then jump on the treadmill and run for 10 minutes and leave. They then wonder why they can't put weight on. He should join the forum and share his workout/diet and we could help him out with that before his first cycle.

Question for you though, what are you doing dating a scrawny dude, lol
 
[uh im sorry. no need to be rude. im asking for honest advice for what could be a potential bad situation so i dont need your input. i guess your mother never taught you "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all."
 
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Okay, I'll say something...

Your boyfriend sounds like an asshole -- typical Jersey Shore wannabe looking to be buffed with as little work as possible. He's doing 1000 mgs total a week. Yeah, considering he's young and reckless, at that dosage it may bring out some arrogance. And afterward he may be impotent, so that 'll take care of that.

For what it's worth I never did more than 600 mgs a week. See the pic of me at the left? For that competition, I used 400 mgs a week of Primo and 10 mgs of dbol for 4 weeks prior to the show.

I'm sorry, but I'm tired of these newbies using gear as a quick fix. They are the EXACXT same people who give it a bad name by messing themselves up or acting like jerk-offs. It's also an insult to real bodybuilders who devote their life to this activity and use steroids in reasonable amounts to help in their pursuit.

But of course, none of this will make any difference.
 
lovebug1310 said:
[uh im sorry. no need to be rude. im asking for honest advice for what could be a potential bad situation so i dont need your asshole input. i guess your mother never taught you "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all."
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sorry hun, he isn't being an asshat, he is being sincere. We're not trying to be rude, but you man is a little boy and we hate seeing people do shit they shouldn't be messing around with.

Edit: wait if you mean that to me, sorry. Just messin around with ya. But I still stand by my statement.
 
thelocal said:
i agree whit thatbloke,,he doesnt know how to eat ,or he would have bulked up already,plus yea let him waste 600$ not gain shit,maybe he will think twice in the future
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Or maybe he will spend double the money and become obsessed and eventually become hooked. He runs out of money his women leaves him he becomes homeless . Or maybe he blows enough money to realize his focus should be on eating and training, rather than joosing, he becomes a pro bb'er has mad ass cotracts with Muscle Tech and Eat to Grow and breaks Ronnie's record and wins the Olympia 12 times. Who knows :confused:
 
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lovebug1310 said:
[uh im sorry. no need to be rude. im asking for honest advice for what could be a potential bad situation so i dont need your asshole input. i guess your mother never taught you "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all."
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So you just want everyone to be nice about your bf's stupid decision? WTF? Here's one ...if you're not looking for real advice...don't ask for it.
 
balboa29 said:
sorry hun, he isn't being an asshat, he is being sincere. We're not trying to be rude, but you man is a little boy and we hate seeing people do shit they shouldn't be messing around with.

Edit: wait if you mean that to me, sorry. Just messin around with ya. But I still stand by my statement.
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Who the hell is she talking to ? Nelson?
 
his diet is mainly just to eat eat eat eat eat as much as he can basically. he knows all about the carbs for fillers and proteins and all that, i just couldnt tell you exactly what it is. we go to the gym and he works out for about 1-2 hours a day 5 days a week. alternates muscle groups and all that junk. he has mass gainer protein powder in every brand nutrition depot carries basically. he has gained about 15-20 pounds since ive met him and that was less than 2 years ago. he is a little guy, yeah so what at least he is trying and has been trying. i know he shouldnt do them but he is going to anyways...he is just dead set on it and i cant change his mind. he works around guys that are huge and do stuff like that so i knew it was bound to happen some time.
 
Here I'll tell you how to fix this. Start giving the boy mad complaments on his penis size, tell him how your last BF was a giant muscle head with a small willy and how you would hate to see him get huge and his penis dry up. If he cares about you he will listen. :)
 
lovebug1310 said:
Okay guys or even girls who have been through this with their man,

My BF is about to start his first cycle of steroids. I don't know much about what he is taking but I do know as much as he has told me. He is only 20, weighs about 150 right now and and is about 5'11. He has told me the stuff he will be taking will make him gain about 30 lbs or so. He said he is stacking it with something else but I dont know what. This will be his FIRST time ever doing the hard core injections like this and I'm kind of scared. I've heard some pretty bad stories about guys who get on this stuff so I just want to know what I should prepare myself for. He has kind of a temper as is right now so I just dont want to be put in a situation I cant get out of.

Please I want as much feed back as I can get! I need your help guys...
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lmao nice troll thread.

lets sticky this satire and point out everything the beginner did wrong

1) he is 150 lbs.
2) he told his fucking loudmouth GF hes gonna juice (deny till you die)
3) he has a temper. lil 150 guy with a temper hehe like a cute chihuahua grrrrr
 
Strongbow said:
Who the hell is she talking to ? Nelson?
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come on ladies, get off your high horse. i knew walking into a forum with mainly men, i was going to run into some comments i wasnt going to like but then again you have to realize that i only want whats best. i came in here looking for honest real advice about a situation i am honestly scared of and thought i came to the right place looking for that. im sorry if i thought wrong.
 
lovebug1310 said:
come on ladies, get off your high horse. i knew walking into a forum with mainly men, i was going to run into some comments i wasnt going to like but then again you have to realize that i only want whats best. i came in here looking for honest real advice about a situation i am honestly scared of and thought i came to the right place looking for that. im sorry if i thought wrong.
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throw is gear in the garbage, and call his mom. its the only thing you can do to save the situation
 
lovebug1310 said:
come on ladies, get off your high horse. i knew walking into a forum with mainly men, i was going to run into some comments i wasnt going to like but then again you have to realize that i only want whats best. i came in here looking for honest real advice about a situation i am honestly scared of and thought i came to the right place looking for that. im sorry if i thought wrong.
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Nah, it seems you came here to hear what you wanted to hear.
 
lovebug1310 said:
ok here are his exact works when after he sent me what he was taking i asked "isnt that alot?" and this is what he said

kinda. like a 40 lb gain. its a cycle for size. so no. but for strength only cycle its a lot. and i'll be running nolvadex anti estrogen all the way through the 10 weeks and 4 weeks after. and clomid after the 10 week period. i run the clomid for 6 weeks. gets your hormones back to normal and keeps your gains.




does that help at all??
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4) Deca+nolvadex
 
so i see that yall are mainly getting upset because he is a beginner, but im guessing everyone here was once in that category too am i right?????? so let me hear your first time cycle stories gentlemen, please!

im not going to turn this thread into a huge fight between a girl looking for help and some guys who are just looking to bash someone. its turning into something completely opposite of what i intended it on being.
 
How can you say we didn't give you great advice. We told you to tell him not to take it. You said that wouldn't work. So we told you to tell him to throw out deca. You said he wants to take it so he is going to. WHat else are you looking from us.

We think
-He is too young
-He is too small
-He isn't doing something right if he is working out 1-2 hours a day, and weighs 150 lbs, and eats everything he can.

SOmething isn't right here. DOn't know what else to tell you.

ONly advice we haven't given you was to dumb his ass
 
and if you think some of the stuff he is mixing or the doses or whatever is not suitable then please help me out so i can help him.
 
lovebug1310 said:
so i see that yall are mainly getting upset because he is a beginner, but im guessing everyone here was once in that category too am i right?????? so let me hear your first time cycle stories gentlemen, please!

im not going to turn this thread into a huge fight between a girl looking for help and some guys who are just looking to bash someone. its turning into something completely opposite of what i intended it on being.
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No dear what you don't understand is that most of these guys and especially Nelson are trying to help you out, but I assume are not telling you what you wanna hear. Your BF is a dumbass and don't have any idea about what he is doing. I tried to help you out on the first page, cause I know how it is to be young and dumb. So what is it you wish to hear, cause it's not the truth you seek. I told you the boy wasn't gonna go fucking Benoit and and smoother you in your sleep, and that if you didn't nag and bitch you guys would be fine. If he is 20 and a buck fity, I bet he does have a temper, cause he is prolly the ass of every big dudes joke. So take advice from these guys and chill out. I starting think maybe you have pushed the boy to do roids.
 
sweet heart i have done everything but push this boy into doing damn roids. i never once "bitched or nagged" hence the damn reason i got on this website, TO TRY AND HELP HIM OUT. i have taken what you have said and put some thought into it. i have NO expectations at all whether it be good or bad as a result from these things but i want to try and help out the best way i can without doubting him one bit. im sure thats more than most women would surely do. so he may not "smother me in my sleep" but i dont want to be thrown around like some little rag doll either here bud. i have seen what roids can do for a temper flair up and it is not a pretty sight. im not only looking out for his safety here but my own as well.
 
He's too young to do Steroids. He has enough "T" in his body to build the muscle he wants. He has to eat right. He's only 150 lbs at 5'11...so even if he does Steroids...if he doesn't eat enough, eat right....then it's a waste of money.

I am 6' 225 lbs...just one inch taller than your BF, and have never done juice. But I am 47 years old...and am thinking about it. But I have already done all the work in the gym that I need to so that I actually will get benefits from it if I chose to do so. My diet is decent, and my workouts are very good and I am disciplined.

Steroids aren't a shortcut. You have to put the work in to get benefits even if you juice.
 
lovebug1310 said:
so i see that yall are mainly getting upset because he is a beginner, but im guessing everyone here was once in that category too am i right?????? so let me hear your first time cycle stories gentlemen, please!

im not going to turn this thread into a huge fight between a girl looking for help and some guys who are just looking to bash someone. its turning into something completely opposite of what i intended it on being.
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Nope, wrong again. It's because he isn't informed.


But lets' cut through the bullshit. What do you want? I'm starting to doubt this is about your boyfriend at all.
 
lovebug1310 said:
sweet heart i have done everything but push this boy into doing damn roids. i never once "bitched or nagged" hence the damn reason i got on this website, TO TRY AND HELP HIM OUT. i have taken what you have said and put some thought into it. i have NO expectations at all whether it be good or bad as a result from these things but i want to try and help out the best way i can without doubting him one bit. im sure thats more than most women would surely do. so he may not "smother me in my sleep" but i dont want to be thrown around like some little rag doll either here bud. i have seen what roids can do for a temper flair up and it is not a pretty sight. im not only looking out for his safety here but my own as well.
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Look I apologize for suggesting you pushed him to do it. But if he gets violent leave his ass, case closed. Let him know up front if he is gonna be man enough to do steroids then he will be man enough to control his moods. If he lays one finger on you in anger, leave his ass on the spot. You seem to be a very level headed careing women, so you are smart enough to see it coming, just be careful, if you care about him be supportive, if you have doubts then you already know what you should do.
 
well if it eases your concerns I am currently on a tren cycle and that is pretty much the worst AAS for aggression and I am calm.. but then again I am an easy going guy and I workout daily.

have I had outbursts in the past with AAS? yes i have. but its been on days where I didn't workout. so make sure he takes out his extra aggression and anger in the weightroom and not on loved ones. I am trying to keep this convo strictly about AAS but if you want to turn it into a more psychological thing you can visit the womens forum we have on here and talk to some of the other female members. no males allowed in those forums. maybe they can give you some advice from a womens perspective as musclemom did earlier.
 
Strongbow said:
Look I apologize for suggesting you pushed him to do it. But if he gets violent leave his ass, case closed. Let him know up front if he is gonna be man enough to do steroids then he will be man enough to control his moods. If he lays one finger on you in anger, leave his ass on the spot. You seem to be a very level headed careing women, so you are smart enough to see it coming, just be careful, if you care about him be supportive, if you have doubts then you already know what you should do.
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I was just gonna say this exact thing.
 
Strongbow said:
Look I apologize for suggesting you pushed him to do it. But if he gets violent leave his ass, case closed. Let him know up front if he is gonna be man enough to do steroids then he will be man enough to control his moods. If he lays one finger on you in anger, leave his ass on the spot. You seem to be a very level headed careing women, so you are smart enough to see it coming, just be careful, if you care about him be supportive, if you have doubts then you already know what you should do.
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thanks. that was the first thing i told him when he told me he was doing it. but either way i just want to know what is the worst that could happen you know. like lets say something goes wrong, what is the worst that could happen...besides dying of course.
 
test n dbol would be a great first cycle. yea hes small dumb and ignorant to the situation but hes gunna do what hes gunna do. I made a similar decision at 18 yrs old at about 150lbs and about 2 weeks in realized that this wasnt what I wanted to do. I ended up on here read everything I could, got my diet in check, then my routine and then I started looking into joose. I ate like a mad man trained like a beast for about 5-6 years gained a solid 60lbs and then decided to take the plunge. Theres a lot of shit that can go wrong and if he is planning to run nolva with deca he clearly isnt educated enough on what he is doing. As for the roid rage its complete BS, if your a hot head in general your a hot head on gear. Im laid back and yea my temper is a little shorter when Im on but I aint slappin bishes n starting fights, although the urge is there.

Only problem you'll have is keepin up with his sex drive. Test turns me into a 24/7 plumber. keep him happy youll be happy. ooo and hopefully your not the jealous type cuz joose give you that alpha male mentality n girls seem to be all over that.

On that note post up some pics or your really the bf looking for advice ;)
 
lovebug1310 said:
thanks. that was the first thing i told him when he told me he was doing it. but either way i just want to know what is the worst that could happen you know. like lets say something goes wrong, what is the worst that could happen...besides dying of course.
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Just one bit of advice..and maybe someone said this already....but..you can really help your boyfriend by relieving him frequently. He is going to need a lot of sex, so expect to play the role of nympho for a while. Just saying....and not meaning to be disrespectful in anyway.

Like everyone else said...make sure he is eating like 5-7 times a day...has at least minimally 1 gram of protein per pound of weight...and this goes without saying even if he is not on anything. Actually 1.5 grams might be better...and water...lots of water...and electrolytes.
 
I'd take a look at every aspect, one missing ingredient and that cake in the oven will not rise!

What's his workout plan? Is he doing squats, deads, lunges... overhead press, flies... bicep curls, kickbacks, dips.... incline/reg/decline bench.... ie compound movements or is he doing machines? At that size, he should be doing compound movements, as one bodybuilder once said- the body doesn't know muscles, it knows movements. search youtube for mark rippetoe, he's the king of teaching the squat- probably the best leg exercise ever.

He could be overtraining or undertraining. Everyone has to find the right number of days between working a muscle out.

For the diet, determine his optimal calorie intake and then procede to count calories
I recommend a 40:30:30 diet (% of protein to carbs to fat).
6:1 omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acid
50-100g dextrose after workouts with protein shake
1-1.5g protein per day per kg bodyweight
2:3 salt to potassium ratio
4:1 calcium to potassium ratio

Say I just did a workout and its time for post workout protein shake. I figure out how much protein I want to take, say 40 grams.

40 grams * (4 calories / 1 gram protein)= 160 calories
then since my target is 30% protein, 160 calories / x calories = 0.30, where x is my total meal calories (trying to find x)
solve for x, in this case its 533 calories

At this point its just plugging numbers in to determine all the other quantities

for the 40% carbs:
533 * 0.4 = y,
y ends up being 213 calories of carbs.
Then to get grams: 213 calories * (1 calorie / 4 grams of carbs) = 53g of carbs

Then for fat:
533 * 0.3 = z.
z calculates to 160. Then to get grams: 160 calories * (1 calorie / 9 grams of fat) = 18g of fat

Then for omega6's qty: 5/6 * 18 = 15g of omega6 and 3g of omega3

I always see an RDA of potassium that looks rediculous (to me), so I always just wing it when I pour in my potassium gluconate. I try for about half to a full tsp, eyeballing it. The ratios I posted came from my college nutrition course.
 
mryar said:
I'd take a look at every aspect, one missing ingredient and that cake in the oven will not rise!

What's his workout plan? Is he doing squats, deads, lunges... overhead press, flies... bicep curls, kickbacks, dips.... incline/reg/decline bench.... ie compound movements or is he doing machines? At that size, he should be doing compound movements, as one bodybuilder once said- the body doesn't know muscles, it knows movements. search youtube for mark rippetoe, he's the king of teaching the squat- probably the best leg exercise ever.

He could be overtraining or undertraining. Everyone has to find the right number of days between working a muscle out.

For the diet, determine his optimal calorie intake and then procede to count calories
I recommend a 40:30:30 diet (% of protein to carbs to fat).
6:1 omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acid
50-100g dextrose after workouts with protein shake
1-1.5g protein per day per kg bodyweight
2:3 salt to potassium ratio
4:1 calcium to potassium ratio

Say I just did a workout and its time for post workout protein shake. I figure out how much protein I want to take, say 40 grams.

40 grams * (4 calories / 1 gram protein)= 160 calories
then since my target is 30% protein, 160 calories / x calories = 0.30, where x is my total meal calories (trying to find x)
solve for x, in this case its 533 calories

At this point its just plugging numbers in to determine all the other quantities

for the 40% carbs:
533 * 0.4 = y,
y ends up being 213 calories of carbs.
Then to get grams: 213 calories * (1 calorie / 4 grams of carbs) = 53g of carbs

Then for fat:
533 * 0.3 = z.
z calculates to 160. Then to get grams: 160 calories * (1 calorie / 9 grams of fat) = 18g of fat

Then for omega6's qty: 5/6 * 18 = 15g of omega6 and 3g of omega3

I always see an RDA of potassium that looks rediculous (to me), so I always just wing it when I pour in my potassium gluconate. I try for about half to a full tsp, eyeballing it. The ratios I posted came from my college nutrition course.
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^^^ what he said

if his diet isnt on point, hes wasting his time working out n his money on the gear bc he'll stay at 150...it seems at 5'11 150 he isnt to concerned with his diet.


n jesus christ why can I put a thread up at 9am and have 6 pages of replies by 1130
 
Let's assume for the sake of argument we're past the he's too young, he's making a bad decision, he needs his training, diet and rest dialed in before considering gear, and that your bf, or you if that's who you're really asking for, is going to run gear no matter what. If you're genuinely concerned about his health, nobody on here can really help you with some quick "do this and everything will be fine". Bodybuilding and all aspects of it are immensely complex and it's not as simple as many people who lack experience think where if you lift weights you'll get bigger and if you take steroids you'll get even bigger and faster. He will need to get on here himself because using gear can be incredibly dangerous and it does not sound as if he understands the potential ramifications of the choice he is making. Could cause permanent health problems, could find himself with crappy PCT and shutting down so he runs more gear to try to feel better and really messes himself up, could destroy his liver, could have a ton of potential issues.

If the concern is his personality and how he will behave, I agree with Strongbow, in particular, that gear is essentially an amplifier for someone's personality. He better make dang sure his head is on straight before running any gear because when his personality is cranked up to 11 (probably too young for the Spinal Tap reference) he better have the wherewithal to recognize what is going on and the discipline to deal with it like it's no big deal.

At the end of the day, people here want to help and will help, but if you're looking for a short few sentences that will illuminate everything that could occur or predictions of how things will go, it's simply not possible. The gist is that without him coming on here we can't give too much input other than it sounds as if he should get substantially more knowledge and experience before running gear and on the other end there's no telling how he will act but if he turns into a complete over the top maniac, do the smart thing and get the heck away from him. When people show you what they are like, believe them the first time.
 
I don't post much here. I am more of a lurker...but I always learn things here. Best place I have ever come for lifting, workout advice...diet...etc.

So if anything...even if you don't exactly like what some of these guys say, you have come to the right place. I've been lifting most of my life....and I learn stuff every day here.
 
I think he can grow faster naturally on a good diet with a good training plan, than he could with gear and the current way he is doing
 
okay sorry but i just want to clear this up, im not posting any of my pics up on this website because thats not what i came here for. it shouldnt matter what i look like or even if i was my BF pretending to be me. if you wanna talk further PM me and maybe i'll give you my FB but thats a fat chance.


anyways, thank yall so much for all the advice and rock solid truth about all of this. when he gets off work i will sit him down and discuss everything i have learned from yall. i do appreciate all of your feed back because it does help out a ton!! it will probably be tomorrow before i can get back to yall on what he says and how things go but i will be checking for more replies throughout the rest of today! im not sure if im gonna let him know i came to a forum site for help, but i will definitely recommend this site to him if he isnt signed up already :)
 
lovebug1310 said:
okay sorry but i just want to clear this up, im not posting any of my pics up on this website because thats not what i came here for. it shouldnt matter what i look like or even if i was my BF pretending to be me. if you wanna talk further PM me and maybe i'll give you my FB but thats a fat chance.


anyways, thank yall so much for all the advice and rock solid truth about all of this. when he gets off work i will sit him down and discuss everything i have learned from yall. i do appreciate all of your feed back because it does help out a ton!! it will probably be tomorrow before i can get back to yall on what he says and how things go but i will be checking for more replies throughout the rest of today! im not sure if im gonna let him know i came to a forum site for help, but i will definitely recommend this site to him if he isnt signed up already :)
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I will be happy to send you noodz via PM, so you have a model to work by showing what your BF should look like if he trains and does his gear properly.:)
 
I would ditch the nolva add hcg. I know many little guys that just do not have the genes to grow. There is a new study about certain people have what is called the bodybuilder gene where they react to weight lifting differently. I grow muscle typing. I am all for human studies, I have read from all kinds of places but how do I know for sure any of them are real. Alot of internet Jay Cutlers out there. Best bet befriend the people at the gym you want to look like ask them how they got there.

I also tell anyone who asks that I juice why lie? I am not worried about it and its not like it isn't obvious. I definitely would never lie to my wife about.
 
What a bullshit thread. First of all, this person argues like a teenage boy. If I had to bet, it's a kid just looking for advice on steroids.

But even if it is a girl, do you think this kid is going to take any of the advice his gf found on line? He's too young, too small, too inexperienced and too ignorant about bodybuilding to do steroids.

End of story.
 
OSUBEAVERS said:
I would ditch the nolva add hcg. I know many little guys that just do not have the genes to grow. There is a new study about certain people have what is called the bodybuilder gene where they react to weight lifting differently. I grow muscle typing. I am all for human studies, I have read from all kinds of places but how do I know for sure any of them are real. Alot of internet Jay Cutlers out there. Best bet befriend the people at the gym you want to look like ask them how they got there.

I also tell anyone who asks that I juice why lie? I am not worried about it and its not like it isn't obvious. I definitely would never lie to my wife about.
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Something to add also, he may be young but he also might have low test- there's bound to be people under 21 that don't have high levels of testosterone. This may be a way to convince him not to inject- get him to take a blood test and if he see's he's got decent testosterone levels. Then you can tell him to save his money for gear for later on in life when it drops and when supplementation is needed. Tell him he's paying $$$ for a vial of molecules his body is already cranking out at (hopefully) a decent rate

Or maybe he comes back with the results and it says 300ng/dL and you've stumbled across a genuine medical problem that he can work with his doctor to fix
 
I reckon it's him pretending to be his gf lol.. definately worked tho, most of these threads get ignored or locked but since its his "gf" asking for the advice it's 7 pages long...
 
lovebug1310 said:
sweet heart i have done everything but push this boy into doing damn roids. i never once "bitched or nagged" hence the damn reason i got on this website, TO TRY AND HELP HIM OUT. i have taken what you have said and put some thought into it. i have NO expectations at all whether it be good or bad as a result from these things but i want to try and help out the best way i can without doubting him one bit. im sure thats more than most women would surely do. so he may not "smother me in my sleep" but i dont want to be thrown around like some little rag doll either here bud. i have seen what roids can do for a temper flair up and it is not a pretty sight. im not only looking out for his safety here but my own as well.
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Lol@ the little tike throwing anything around like a ragdoll. I'm pretty sure you can take him
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ so you are 100% certain? I will give you 30 minutes to prove that assumption.
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obviously i cant prove that but this thread is retarded. i read the whole thread and no girl that knows nothing about juice would ever talk like that.. doesnt add up. i am skeptical hippo.
 
Dude, just look at the title of the thread -- "I'm a GIRL who..." lol. Please. No one introduces themselves like that unless they're lying.

it's pretty smart though. People tend to be more receptive to women.
 
I pm'd him he's posting noods to get back at her posting his biz all over ef
 
lovebug1310 said:
so i see that yall are mainly getting upset because he is a beginner, but im guessing everyone here was once in that category too am i right?????? so let me hear your first time cycle stories gentlemen, please!

im not going to turn this thread into a huge fight between a girl looking for help and some guys who are just looking to bash someone. its turning into something completely opposite of what i intended it on being.
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i weighed 215, had been lifting for 7 years, deadlift 450, bench 315, squat 350, and ran a basic cycle of 500mg test E
 
That's gonna be a waste of 600 bucks plus.., he will gain, then lose most of it after then all of it after a few months.. Guy eats like a bird., actually I dont know what he eats but at 155 and being 5 11.. That ain't shit.. I gained so much ay that age.. Sucks cause hes gonna fuck himself up.. Hard headed ppl
 
machine23 said:
That's gonna be a waste of 600 bucks plus.., he will gain, then lose most of it after then all of it after a few months.. Guy eats like a bird., actually I dont know what he eats but at 155 and being 5 11.. That ain't shit.. I gained so much ay that age.. Sucks cause hes gonna fuck himself up.. Hard headed ppl
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stop feeding the troll
 
So your boyfriend started at 5'11, 130, and has put on 20lbs in 2 years? what is his body fat %? If he REALLY is a hard gainer, 20lbs of solid, lean muscle and, I would assume, little to no body fat (I mean, the guy is 150... he cant be too fluffy!) isnt really that bad... He is too young and too small, I still agree with that, but it sounds like he has at least put some work in in the gym if he's gone from 130 to 150... thats a lot different than 180 to 200! That doesnt mean going on cycle is a good idea, but maybe at least his diet/routine may be better than we are giving him credit for. This is all allegedly second hand information, after all. Also... I know we cant discuss prices, but if we could, I would want to discuss how he only got THAT MUCH for $600... somebody didnt give him the homie price! haha

As to the aggression - if he is aggressive enough that you feel you should be worried BEYOND THE MEDIA BULLSHIT ABOUT THIS STUFF TURNING YOU INTO AN UNCONTROLLABLE KILLER (I mean, I think we have all slammed a door we normally wouldnt have, or picked an argument, or started a shouting match with our girl with little provocation while on cycle... but those are not dangerous side effects. Violence is, and some people do let the shit go their head!) then you are probably right. To call it roid rage puts too much of the blame on the steroids, when it is the user letting their hormones get the best of them (the same thing that pisses me off when one week a month my girl isnt quite as much fun to get along with ;))... but the truth is that if you have a bad feeling about it because of HIS personality, you are probably right. I definitly reccomend he keep his cycle as simple as possible, and while there is nothing more simple than just NOT doing it, try to get him to keep it to test only, or like others have said AT LEAST drop the deca.

I dont know what more advice you want than has been given, but feel free to PM if you have a question that is unresolved that can be more succinctly worded, or isnt just "what should I do"... If I can help I always will, but at this point I am not sure exactly what the question is...
 
okay to reply to all the fags who just want pictures, you can all go screw yourselves because im still not going to post any pictures. i dont need you knowing who i am or who im even talking about for that matter. who cares!!! get over yourselves and grow up a bit. i know how threads work, yeah im a girl but im a member of a couple other threads as well. so i do know that if you say you are a girl in the title of the thread you will get more responses. nomad, its this new thing called google, you should try it.

(oh and twenty47, my bf may only be 150 but judging by your little avatar pic, you could use a little work yourself cause his arms look way better than yours)

on another note, to everyone who is still giving me great advice i do appreciate it. i am going to try to convince him at least to not do the deca. i know its bad for him and i dont want him to do it either. im going to try anything i can but you all know how men are.
 
lovebug1310 said:
okay to reply to all the fags who just want pictures, you can all go screw yourselves because im still not going to post any pictures. i dont need you knowing who i am or who im even talking about for that matter. who cares!!! get over yourselves and grow up a bit. i know how threads work, yeah im a girl but im a member of a couple other threads as well. so i do know that if you say you are a girl in the title of the thread you will get more responses. nomad, its this new thing called google, you should try it.

(oh and twenty47, my bf may only be 150 but judging by your little avatar pic, you could use a little work yourself cause his arms look way better than yours)

on another note, to everyone who is still giving me great advice i do appreciate it. i am going to try to convince him at least to not do the deca. i know its bad for him and i dont want him to do it either. im going to try anything i can but you all know how men are.
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rate me next, how do i look babe?:biggrin:
 
this is funny.


skinny kids talking shit.


i wrestled 160 my freshman year of hs and had to cut weight to make it. with a 6 pack..
 
uh oh watch out hes got a 6 pack. you are just too cool for school. im not gonna fight with you like some little elementary school kids. if you dont have anything nice to say or dont care, stay off my thread. kthnks :)
 
lovebug1310 said:
uh oh watch out hes got a 6 pack. you are just too cool for school. im not gonna fight with you like some little elementary school kids. if you dont have anything nice to say or dont care, stay off my thread. kthnks :)
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no i wasnt that cool. i was a 14 year old kid. just like your boyfriend/you looks
 
lovebug1310 said:
uh oh watch out hes got a 6 pack. you are just too cool for school. im not gonna fight with you like some little elementary school kids. if you dont have anything nice to say or dont care, stay off my thread. kthnks :)
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is that why you wont rate my arm?
 
well i am just so happy for you. i bet your parents are proud of you. expecially since your talking shit to a girl through a website meant for anabolic steroid users. keep up the good work. if i look like a 14 year old kid, id sure as hell hate to see what girls look like at 20 these days!!!
 
I expected better from you guys, Lets leave the snide comments out of this thread!
 
RADAR, Steve and other mods... I want each and every wise ass member in this thread to be given a infractions... I don;t give a damn wtf you may think this person is or is not... Yes infarct nelson too, infraction and or ban every last one of them!!!!!!!!! You people know good and damn well this forum is not a play land. you treat each and every member with respect "regardless" of what you think of them unless they have attacked you and if that is the case then you let a mod handle it not take it into your own hands.!!!!

SO Lets see some infractions handed out. If not then I will have to waste my own time doing it and if I have to use my time to do it I am making it worth it and will be missing a crap load of members around here for a wile... WE WILL LEARN!!!! YES WE WILL GUYS!!!!!!!!!!! GO AHEAD AND READ THE RULES ONE MORE TIME ALL OF YOU!!!!
 
needtogetaas said:
RADAR, Steve and other mods... I want each and every wise ass member in this thread to be given a infractions... I don;t give a damn wtf you may think this person is or is not... Yes infarct nelson too, infraction and or ban every last one of them!!!!!!!!! You people know good and damn well this forum is not a play land. you treat each and every member with respect "regardless" of what you think of them unless they have attacked you and if that is the case then you let a mod handle it not take it into your own hands.!!!!

SO Lets see some infractions handed out. If not then I will have to waste my own time doing it and if I have to use my time to do it I am making it worth it and will be missing a crap load of members around here for a wile... WE WILL LEARN!!!! YES WE WILL GUYS!!!!!!!!!!! GO AHEAD AND READ THE RULES ONE MORE TIME ALL OF YOU!!!!
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I gave infraction to all that had a hand in feeding the troll,and as far as I'm concerned This thread will stay closed!

So if any of you got an infraction,you now know why!
 
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