I want to be on GH but dont want the Gyno

[macrophage69alpha]

there are no studies, do know of a few cases where it has helped.

there are studies in juvenile arthritis, though there is a lot of question as to whether that translates.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

I started to get gyno from gh. I never would have thought that's what was causing it until Mr. X posted about it. I stopped, did letro and all was good in a few weeks. I feel your pain, I wanted to keep on but not if gyno was an issue.

 

[Indy]

I started to get gyno from gh. I never would have thought that's what was causing it until Mr. X posted about it. I stopped, did letro and all was good in a few weeks. I feel your pain, I wanted to keep on but not if gyno was an issue.

water retention from gh will subside after a few weeks, then after stopping will dissappear altogether in a short amount of time. I have taken gh and igf-1 for long periods, and high doseage and never saw anything more then simple water retention which after week 3 went away without ancilliaries.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

water retention from gh will subside after a few weeks, then after stopping will dissappear altogether in a short amount of time. I have taken gh and igf-1 for long periods, and high doseage and never saw anything more then simple water retention which after week 3 went away without ancilliaries.

that is probably true for a lot of people...

However....


remember, there are probably hundreds of guys that have run 2 grams plus without ever getting gyno and others that use 250mg a week and grow "knockers".

some guys run 150mcg of t3, never an issue, others 50mcg and they get itchy nipples and if continued- gyno.

some run 600mg+ nanadrolone, have awesome sex drive and never a bit of puffyness or gyno, others....


sometimes its hard to step outside and realize that just because it "does not happen to me" does not mean that someone else wont have that reaction. its actually one of the harder things to do. INDIVIDUAL RESPONSE VARIES

 

[macrophage69alpha]

btw- since it has been widely pushed that estrogen is what causes gyno, its often harder in this aspect to look at the myriad of other causes objectively (because they have been basically swept aside by a few "gurus"- a word used very loosely and freely- unfortunately).

 

[jacshelb]

Best of luck getting rid of the gyno. Keep us updated as this is an interesting case. BTW, dostinex is not that expensive if you look around. Found some for $100 a bottle that should last a damn long time if taking 1 mg. or less per week. (30 weeks at mg. per week, lasts over a year at .5 mg per week- for $100 that's cheap!) Again, best of luck!

Also, I would like to know more about t3 and gyno! I don't plan to ever use t3 again, ughh... had too many negatives to it.


Jacob

 

[beastrg]

Also, I would like to know more about t3 and gyno! I don't plan to ever use t3 again, ughh... had too many negatives to it.

Bump on that

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd. 2002 Feb 2;146(5):222-4. Links
[A 35-year-old man with gynaecomastia as the first symptom of hyperthyroidism][Article in Dutch]
Mullens A, van den Bruel A, Vanderschueren D.
Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Universitair Ziekenhuis Gasthuisberg, Kliniek en Laboratorium voor Experimentele Geneeskunde en Endocrinologie, Herestraat 49, 3000 Leuven, Belgie.

A 35-year-old man suffered painful bilateral gynaecomastia for 2 months due to serious Graves' hyperthyroidism. During treatment with propylthiouracil and levothyroxine, the plasma concentrations of thyroid hormone, sex hormones and sex hormone-binding globulin normalised and the gynaecomastia disappeared. Gynaecomastia occurs in 30 to 40% of men diagnosed with Graves' hyperthyroidism. However, gynaecomastia as a presenting symptom of this autoimmune disease is uncommon.


Ann Acad Med Singapore. 1998 Jul;27(4):594-6. Links
Hyperthyroidism with gynaecomastia as the initial complaint: a case report.Ho HK, Loh KC.
Department of General Medicine, Tan Tock Seng Hospital, Singapore.

Although gynaecomastia is a well-documented manifestation among male patients with hyperthyroidism, it is extremely rare to present as the initial or chief complaint in a subject with undiagnosed hyperthyroidism. We report a case of a 38-year-old Chinese man presenting with painful enlargement of both breasts of one month's duration. Examination revealed bilateral tender gynaecomastia. In addition, he was noted to have warm and moist peripheries, resting tachycardia and an enlarged goitre. Hyperthyroidism was confirmed biochemically. Treatment of thyrotoxicosis resulted in resolution of the gynaecomastia. This case report demonstrates that gynaecomastia may predominate over the commonly recognised, more manifest and urgent symptoms of hyperthyroidism.


: Endocr Pract. 1997 Mar-Apr;3(2):80-1. Links
Gynecomastia as the initial manifestation of hyperthyroidism.Gordon DL, Brown JL, Emanuele NV, Hall L 3rd.
Division of Endocrinology, Department of Medicine, Loyola University of Chicago, Maywood, Illinois, USA.

OBJECTIVE: To present two new cases of gynecomastia as the initial manifestation of hyperthyroidism. METHODS: We describe detailed case reports of two men with breast enlargement who were found to have hyperthyroidism, and we review the related literature. RESULTS: Two men sought medical assistance because of unilateral tender gynecomastia. In one of these patients, thyroid, gonadal, and prostate examinations showed normal findings at the time of initial assessment, and symptoms of hyperthyroidism developed later. In our other patient with gynecomastia, other symptoms of hyperthyroidism--for example, nervousness, irritability, palpitations, and fatigue--had been present for a prolonged period but had been considered "normal" by the patient. In both patients, the hyperthyroidism was treated with radioiodine. Breast pain disappeared in both patients, and breast enlargement disappeared in one patient and was decreased in the other patient after euthyroidism was achieved. Review of the literature disclosed only two similar cases. CONCLUSION: Because of the rarity of gynecomastia as the initial symptom of hyperthyroidism, we believe that thyroid function tests are not indicated in the workup of patients whose major complaint is gynecomastia.

PMID: 15251481 [PubMed]

 

[doublefister]

I really wanted to get up to 6IU's a day and then start my cycle but now Im debating if I should hold off on the HGH. I still have 4 kits sitting in the fridge begging for me everyday.

I go in tomorrow to get a bilateral ultrasound done on my chest to see if its bad or not. Since I been on the Letro I notice some odd changes in my left pec when before I never really felt anything. Now it kinda feels like its breaking everything up behind the nipple. Dont know if thats good or bad but probably good if I give it time.

I was following the TRT protocols from www.allthingsmale.com by Dr. John Crisler which includes HCG in his program. Two 250IU injections a week along with my 100mg test cyp. Im gonna get an extra blood test done during so probably around the 6th week to see how everything looks and then determine what it could be. I will leave out the HGH this time and see if it makes a difference. Would HCG cause prolactin issues or just estrogen related?

 

[niv]

hold the fucking phone!! you got hgh from your doc cause of a dislocated shoulder?????? say it aint so