I know this is going to get some heated responses but I have to ask.........(serious question)

[BigRupe]

ok I think you really have a crush on me, I am seriously done messing around.
get over me geeeesh.

Yeah whatever I have a crush on you...if that floats your boat you're entitled to the fantasy. In any case you still needed to be bitch slapped. Now that we got that out of the way I'll respond.

As to your friend I am very skeptical that his "cycle" is causing his liver failure. Liver "failure" is divided into types depending on the rapidity of onset. Acute liver failure develops rapidly, but chronic liver failure may take months or years to develop. By definition, liver failure occurs when the liver is so diseased, and functioning so poorly, that encephalopathy (look it up) is evident.

As to what can he do?? It depends hasn't his doctor given him any treatments? Any treatment involves correcting any underlying cause, if this is possible and you said from AAS so that's out of the question IF that is/was the casue. Even when the cause is identified and treated, the progression to complete liver failure may be irreversible so again we need more information to answer your question and again I truly think it's a bunch of bull shit.

The liver is a very resilient organ. It has remarkable powers of regeneration and the body can withstand the loss of over two thirds of the normal liver quite easily. So I'm not really buying it that a 2 month cycle is killing him and causing liver failure, but again I will answer what "he can do".

In this case, steps must be taken to slow down the decline of liver function. Restrict his diet, avoid sodium like the plague, and they are doing liver dialysis in the U.S. (well actually it's almost at the end of approval by the FDA as a treatment modality) and if he's young he has the option of a tranplant.

Meanwhile medications, such as lactulose, can be given to relieve the symptoms of liver failure. It will help him remove ammonia. When his ammonia levels go up he'll become incoherent. I know I witnessed this personally and it was very sad.

 

[BigRupe]

... it sounds weird to me, there is no way that 4 weeks of dbol can cause liver failure.

Exactly! Unless he washed it down with radiator fluid!

 

[Bruce]

i ran winny for 6 months. my friend who is a real person lol. though not the smartest cookie runs winny and var year round with weeks for breaks. no liver failure. to answer this thread very easily my doctor knows i juice. when i have a check up he thinks i am very healthy. simpler enough said. if you would like i can show you aids patients that recieve up to 50mg of dbol for months on end and there livers are fine.

 

[Apexx]

I talked to my friend and basically he told me his first cycle looked like this (the one with the liver troubles)

8 weeks of test at 1000mg

4 weeks of D-bol at 50 mg

and he was running an ECA stack.

maybe you guys can give some input.......

enough of the drama, it was fun while it lasted.......some of you guys are too easy to get all riled up.

Seriously??? You're whole argument for steroids being "bad" is because your friend's dr said that this cycle caused his liver so much damage that it is actually failing???? Like I said before, you obviously did no research before coming to any of your conclusions. I truly don't beleive that this thread was started in an honest effort to find information for your friend. You simply used your friends unfortunate situation to draw attention to yourself......very sad!

I'm done respondind to this thread. I wish ur friend the best. I also wish ur friend new friends.

Apexx

 

[Maverick]

Seriously??? You're whole argument for steroids being "bad" is because your friend's dr said that this cycle caused his liver so much damage that it is actually failing???? Like I said before, you obviously did no research before coming to any of your conclusions. I truly don't beleive that this thread was started in an honest effort to find information for your friend. You simply used your friends unfortunate situation to draw attention to yourself......very sad!

I'm done respondind to this thread. I wish ur friend the best. I also wish ur friend new friends.

Apexx

I never said I knew anything about roids, I have heard many different things but I still believe that they cannot be good for you no matter the dose.

yah I wanted to attention, and that is why i started this thread......... your a moron

many people take steroids for the reasons I listed in my thread, so if you cant accept the truth then what can I say ?

I dont know if he had this condition before he was using or not, but it must have put his condition in fast forward.

yah I could have used different wording for my question but I am pretty blunt so I dunno, I just wanted to know why.

 

[Bourget]

I have known some people that have had serious health issues related to steriods.....

anyway my question is why do you all do steroids ?
QUOTE]

Health problems thats funny were you geting your info at? Crackerjack box..At 40 i have no health issues whats so ever! People everyday want to look like me that are half my age! I am bigger,stronger and my sex life just keeps geting better and better... Hell maybe if you get layed yourself sometime you wouldnt have time to post up dump questions about shit you dont have a clue on! In the real world when your big everyone wants to be your friend!

I'm 41, and I agree 100% with EVERYTHING you said!!! I saw the HBO special and that's what really got me to try AAS. I'm in the best shape of my life, I feel great and my sex life is the best it's ever been!!(except for the fact that I'm havin trouble bustin a nut every now & then..LOL..but that's not necessarily a bad thing!)

 

[toxicsambo]

Re: I know this is going to get some heated responses but I have to ask.........(seri

my friend who is a real person lol.

lmao. Thank you! You see it too. Notice the change in tone? I hear the cries of "Surrender!" being mumbled through a Darth Vader mask. Fkn dork.

Someones liver desintergating from one cycle is a load of shit. Nice attempt to make an overexagerrated and false tale to try and make a point Mavprick. God what a loser.

 

[habitual]

I dont know if he had this condition before he was using or not

Well there you are brain child, let me break this down BARNEY SYTLE for you.......ok listen real close now, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK DICK........now go back to your friend and see if he had this problem before AAS. Liver failure is not an overnight thing but with amount of gear he used for his first cycle was a bonehead thing to do, maybe you could have refered him here and we could have helped a brother out. Big Rupe answered this question for you.

You come here and make claims with no hard evidence, spend 80% of your time talking about yourself and then you give us shit for proof.


I never said I knew anything about roids

So if you know nothing about AAS then why are you still here telling us that you have read articles from researchers and testimonies of useres and you somehow are certain that they are fucking everyone up. That is like me going telling a pilot how to fly a fucking plane when I know nothing planes, much less know what the inside of the cockpit looks like.



My advice to your "friend" is to log on www.elitefitness.com, start a profile and then let him ask the questions b/c it seems as if you are wasting our time and every other member of this board's time when we could be helping the next newbie with a post like " Is 1000mg/Test/wk and 50mg/Dbol/day too much for my first cycle"

Oh yeah, I grew up poor, had nothing, worked 3 jobs through High School just so my little sister could have enough food to eat and help my Mom pay bills. Enlisted in the Marine Corps and served a tour in Iraq and 1 Afghanistan,
and earned money through the GI bill to put my way through College. I make enough to get by and live comfortably. I do AAS because I choose not to drink and smoke, and I like the way I look and feel I go for semiannual checkups at the doctor and he is fully aware of my use and he keeps me tested for sides. The point is that I find it funny that you spend your whole time bragging about yourself but what have you given your friend? NOTHING! You I saw your kind growing up and in the Marine Corps, I dont hate you or guys like you, you all make me laugh and I realize how fortunate I am not to be like you.You come here for a pissing contest and in the mean time your friend is being fed a load of bullshit by people like you who know nothing aboutAAS and of anything for that matter,and make up these grand stories to make yourself seem as if you are an expert or actually know something. You have probably told these stories so many time that you actually start beliving yourself.

Moral to my story is, we here on the AAS forums could give a fuck less if you are some superhero with lots of money and some bs story of being a fighter, b/c in my book, you havent been in a fight unless you have been in a firefight and sent rounds down range, sweetheart and 'truly" ritch people dont talk about money. So pack up your suitcase of metrosexual bullshit and go back and let the boys of C&C tell you wow pretty you are while I pack my gymbag and go LIFT.

Have a nice day

Semper Fi,
Habitual

 

[bw1]

I never said I knew anything about roids, I have heard many different things but I still believe that they cannot be good for you no matter the dose.

yah I wanted to attention, and that is why i started this thread......... your a moron

many people take steroids for the reasons I listed in my thread, so if you cant accept the truth then what can I say ?

I dont know if he had this condition before he was using or not, but it must have put his condition in fast forward.

yah I could have used different wording for my question but I am pretty blunt so I dunno, I just wanted to know why.

I'm sure glad your not my training partner. If you were spotting me while I was benching you might break a nail, it then could get infected and you might loose a finger

 

[columbia58]

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE BESIDES ME THAT JUST WORKS, LIFTS WEIGHTS, and JUICES??? or am i the only one?[/QUOTE]

Me....thats about it, but you left out eating......

 

[columbia58]

I never said I knew anything about roids, I have heard many different things but I still believe that they cannot be good for you no matter the dose.

yah I wanted to attention, and that is why i started this thread......... your a moron

many people take steroids for the reasons I listed in my thread, so if you cant accept the truth then what can I say ?

I dont know if he had this condition before he was using or not, but it must have put his condition in fast forward.

yah I could have used different wording for my question but I am pretty blunt so I dunno, I just wanted to know why.

You a momma's boy, ain't ya boy....

 

[MILLENNIUM]

Why would you post something like this? You say you want honest answers but your post starts out talkin shit and asking for heated resposes. I don't get it. There are much better ways to ask the question that you did. This site is getting stupider and stupider everyday because of assholes like you comin in and posting stupid shit like this trying to cause drama. I am sooo tired of all the drama going on on these boards now. Someone meaning the mods chairmans and George need to seriously do something to adress this shit. I started coming here because I was looking for great advice and knowledge. I have stayed because I found both, but this is really getting rediculous. To answer your stupid ass question if you must know. I am taking AAS for medical purposes. I broke my back and got severe nerve damage. Lost all strength in my calves and quite a bit in my legs overall. AAS has been ok'd by my doc, and I have a scrip as a matter of fact. All these sides and damage you talk about is BS. I have talked to about 20 doctors and done a ton of research. So long as AAS are used wisely they are relatively safe. It's the people that abuse them that have the issues. But that is true with anything, drinking, pot, pills, etc. Who cares why people use its there business. I am sure everyone has different reasons who cares.

 

[habitual]

I broke my back and got severe nerve damage. Lost all strength in my calves and quite a bit in my legs overall. AAS has been ok'd by my doc, and I have a scrip as a matter of fact.

Other than hepling bro's like this and being administered for aids patients and being prescribed for rehab purposes by thousands of doctors .............. I would say AAS never did anyone any good.

DOUCHE

Semper Fi, Wait, you dont rate a Semper Fi, let me rephrase.

DOUCHE.....

 

[solidspine]

The only serious problem with gear is getting it.

Since 9/11 Mexico has been lousy and there are only a few good domestic sources,

Having said that I am 56 and do cycles constantly, from a health standpoint it has only improved my health, I know a lot of people,

guys and girls on gear, and have never have heard of any serious side affects.

I have to believe most of the people reporting on the media are smoking crack, The worst thing that I have experienced was deca dick and it was temporary.

If you have a positive IQ,

gear used correctly gear and pct only enhances health.

 

[MILLENNIUM]

The only serious problem with gear is getting it.

Since 9/11 Mexico has been lousy and there are only a few good domestic sources,
.

I was just in Mex. There is AAS everywhere. What do you mean lousy? In TJ every damn pharmacy on the street had shit. They have it all advertised on big ass signs. Sust. HGH Nolva Clomid Deca Anadrol Clen. I was very very suprised. All being advertised huge.

 

[chazk]

I never said I knew anything about roids, I have heard many different things but I still believe that they cannot be good for you no matter the dose.

yah I wanted to attention, and that is why i started this thread......... your a moron

many people take steroids for the reasons I listed in my thread, so if you cant accept the truth then what can I say ?

I dont know if he had this condition before he was using or not, but it must have put his condition in fast forward.

yah I could have used different wording for my question but I am pretty blunt so I dunno, I just wanted to know why.

We can tell you are very young and in young state of mind. Once you get older 30+ you will change your mind and relize HRT can help slow aging and aid in making one feel and look younger agian.

I have heard many different things but I still believe that they cannot be good for you no matter the dose..

You mean you have read many things and heard only what you want to hear. Try reading a study using a androderm patch that secrets 3 mgs of testoterone a day to a man over 35+ I bet it will contradict what you have "heard and still belive".
People use steroids and hrt becuase doctors prescribe it to them to aid in health not hurt it.

your questions should have been asked like this.
****
Many people use steroids in 3 diff catagories
Low dosage
Moderate dosage
High dosage
Please explain your use of anabolics usage and why you use
****

That is simple and blunt. Your question was not it was a fucking hour long after school abc special.

 

[MILLENNIUM]

We can tell you are very young and in young state of mind. Once you get older 30+ you will change your mind and relize HRT can help slow aging and aid in making one feel and look younger agian.

You mean you have read many things and heard only what you want to hear. Try reading a study using a androderm patch that secrets 3 mgs of testoterone a day to a man over 35+ I bet it will contradict what you have "heard and still belive".
People use steroids and hrt becuase doctors prescribe it to them to aid in health not hurt it.

your questions should have been asked like this.
****
Many people use steroids in 3 diff catagories
Low dosage
Moderate dosage
High dosage
Please explain your use of anabolics usage and why you use
****

That is simple and blunt. Your question was not it was a fucking hour long after school abc special.

LMAO! Right on bro.

 

[bigtasty25]

I have known some people that have had serious health issues related to steriods.....

umm..i think im just going to answer his question

anyway my question is why do you all do steroids ?


the fact you need the that perfect body/male adonis complex ?

low self confidence ?

professional bodybuilder ?

I have aspirations on possibly turning pro someday...but i want to move up the ladder slowly and see where i can take my body

that one guy johnathan rowe placed 3rd at jr nationals...then won nationals and got his pro card last yr....so anything is possible...id actually laugh at doing this, but ive made so many gains in the past few yrs..i figure...why the fuck not compete at jr nats in a couple yrs?? im averaging 12lbs a yr of pure muscle while improving my condition..so if i can keep that up??? i think i will do well

want to fit in with the juicer crowd ?

Nope...has nothing to do with that really...i do it for me...and i will admit, the attention is nice...everyone likes getting attention to an extent...but thats really not why i do it now...my goals have changed since i started...

is it worth risking your health for a better looking body ? If you have a wife or kids...... why risk losing all that for a better body ?

this was hands down the hardest i was this april 7th for the West virginia eastern USA's.....i look at it that way too, might as well give it a shot while im still young..rather than be older and think about what could have been..ill do the best i can do, and whatever happens happens....i talked to Dareem Charles at my gym a few weeks ago (yes it was really him) and he told me not to worry bout the size game and just put my pkg together like i have been...that was incouraging...and at my show the promotor and a few judges after the show i talked to said i was the total pkg...that was flattering..to have a pro, tell u that (and the judges). So yes..it's definately worth it...i try to use lower dosages (for the level im at) and not to overdo it while taking time off between cycles and getting blood checkups, etc...but yes steroids can and will wear age the body a bit quicker with extended use for prolonged periods at high dosages..but for me, having a few yrs shaved off my life for the benefits...is DEFINATELY worth it (for me).



flame me all you want and bomb me all you want, I am from the C & C board and can replemish all my karma in a heartbeat. I dont even care about karma anyway

I have no intentions on flaming...but steroids are a sensitive subject if you word your questions wrong ...so just learn from this..and maverick, do listen to the guys on this board who do use anabolics to better themselves..most are actually good guys on here and put their heart into this crazy thing we call bodybuilding, so you gotta respect that. I have nothing against you as i thought the initial question was a good one so im going to give you props for that bro, because people on here do "use" for various reasons...but if you left out the part on "losing family, risking health, losing it all" etc you'd of probably made this thread into a less argumentative one The comment on family, losing it all etc is what really steamed up the guys here, and they felt u jumped to conclusions on that one, as i did. The fact is, your bud who is having liver problems most likely would have had the liver problems even without steroids, it may have progressed the disease slightly, but not much..just like flex wheeler and his kidney disease, which wasnt from steroids (i think it was the kidney...not totally sure). I hope your buddy is okay when things are all said n done though, if he has good doc's he'll be just fine, the liver can regenerate I believe, when having liver transplants, etc (but eh...i dont know much about the above subj..so ill move on..). But anywhoo...that is why i use steroids, hope i answered ure questions...and i dont regret it one bit

 

[thewanderer690]

50mg/day of DBOL really isnt that much. He must have been doing heavy drinking like every night or just have had a shitty liver. Ive done 40mg per day for like 6 weeks with no probs. There are plenty of people on this board who have done 50mg/day with no problems as well. Shit some people even do like 60 or 70. You just have to be careful with this shit and go to the doctor every so often. No one should start out with 50mg anyway if thats the first time they have ever used that compound. Always start with a small dose and increase as needed.

 

[Maverick]

I have no intentions on flaming...but steroids are a sensitive subject if you word your questions wrong ...so just learn from this..and maverick, do listen to the guys on this board who do use anabolics to better themselves..most are actually good guys on here and put their heart into this crazy thing we call bodybuilding, so you gotta respect that. I have nothing against you as i thought the initial question was a good one so im going to give you props for that bro, because people on here do "use" for various reasons...but if you left out the part on "losing family, risking health, losing it all" etc you'd of probably made this thread into a less argumentative one The comment on family, losing it all etc is what really steamed up the guys here, and they felt u jumped to conclusions on that one, as i did. The fact is, your bud who is having liver problems most likely would have had the liver problems even without steroids, it may have progressed the disease slightly, but not much..just like flex wheeler and his kidney disease, which wasnt from steroids (i think it was the kidney...not totally sure). I hope your buddy is okay when things are all said n done though, if he has good doc's he'll be just fine, the liver can regenerate I believe, when having liver transplants, etc (but eh...i dont know much about the above subj..so ill move on..). But anywhoo...that is why i use steroids, hope i answered ure questions...and i dont regret it one bit

thank you for your mature answer

 

[bigtasty25]

yup...not a prob..

ehh..u might want to think about putting a pic of your bod up instead of the face, cuz i think 100+ guys on here want to throw dumbells at ya...and if some 250+lb guy from here sees you in person..you're done...just a friendly suggestion for your safety lol

 

[Razorguns]

yup...not a prob..

ehh..u might want to think about putting a pic of your bod up instead of the face, cuz i think 100+ guys on here want to throw dumbells at ya...and if some 250+lb guy from here sees you in person..you're done...just a friendly suggestion for your safety lol

the guys' a troll. he has a long history of geigh posts on c&c. this not surprising he's a tool here as well. he embarasses gay men everywhere.

 

[silver_shadow]

what can he do now ?

if his liver is fucked, first off, hopefully he's off now. next he could get some Liv-52 - it's herbal and really effective. off course, nothing like getting to a doc to do something about his liver. if he ever decides to juice, maybe he oughta be starting off with 250g of test/wk. you mentioned the guy posts here? eat big?

 

[silver_shadow]

many people take steroids for the reasons I listed in my thread, so if you cant accept the truth then what can I say ?

and who are you to get on your high horse about vanity... you've spent most of your time posting on this thread about how good you look
furthermore, if your friend had health problems, how come your main question was not about what he could do from now on, but why guys juice? what relevance does that have to either you or him? it looks to me that the main purpose of your thread was to ask a rhetorical question, ie, your trying to preach here about the bad effects of steroids.
and anyway - i've been clean for over 3 yrs now, i do visit the AAS forums but i spend most of my time on the weightlifting forum. some of those guys there have never juiced and they still have pics/vids (more vids of them lifting). point being, whether you juice or not, most guys on this site with pics/vids do NOT have pics of their face because this is not a gay site/dating site/modelling site/whatever. this is a fitness (primarily weightlifting/bodybuilding) site.

 

[drrman]

I dont know if he had this condition before he was using or not

Well there you are brain child, let me break this down BARNEY SYTLE for you.......ok listen real close now, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK DICK........now go back to your friend and see if he had this problem before AAS. Liver failure is not an overnight thing but with amount of gear he used for his first cycle was a bonehead thing to do, maybe you could have refered him here and we could have helped a brother out. Big Rupe answered this question for you.

You come here and make claims with no hard evidence, spend 80% of your time talking about yourself and then you give us shit for proof.


I never said I knew anything about roids

So if you know nothing about AAS then why are you still here telling us that you have read articles from researchers and testimonies of useres and you somehow are certain that they are fucking everyone up. That is like me going telling a pilot how to fly a fucking plane when I know nothing planes, much less know what the inside of the cockpit looks like.



My advice to your "friend" is to log on www.elitefitness.com, start a profile and then let him ask the questions b/c it seems as if you are wasting our time and every other member of this board's time when we could be helping the next newbie with a post like " Is 1000mg/Test/wk and 50mg/Dbol/day too much for my first cycle"

Oh yeah, I grew up poor, had nothing, worked 3 jobs through High School just so my little sister could have enough food to eat and help my Mom pay bills. Enlisted in the Marine Corps and served a tour in Iraq and 1 Afghanistan,
and earned money through the GI bill to put my way through College. I make enough to get by and live comfortably. I do AAS because I choose not to drink and smoke, and I like the way I look and feel I go for semiannual checkups at the doctor and he is fully aware of my use and he keeps me tested for sides. The point is that I find it funny that you spend your whole time bragging about yourself but what have you given your friend? NOTHING! You I saw your kind growing up and in the Marine Corps, I dont hate you or guys like you, you all make me laugh and I realize how fortunate I am not to be like you.You come here for a pissing contest and in the mean time your friend is being fed a load of bullshit by people like you who know nothing aboutAAS and of anything for that matter,and make up these grand stories to make yourself seem as if you are an expert or actually know something. You have probably told these stories so many time that you actually start beliving yourself.

Moral to my story is, we here on the AAS forums could give a fuck less if you are some superhero with lots of money and some bs story of being a fighter, b/c in my book, you havent been in a fight unless you have been in a firefight and sent rounds down range, sweetheart and 'truly" ritch people dont talk about money. So pack up your suitcase of metrosexual bullshit and go back and let the boys of C&C tell you wow pretty you are while I pack my gymbag and go LIFT.

Have a nice day

Semper Fi,
Habitual

HOLY SHIT....BEST POST ON THIS THREAD RIGHT HERE

 

[therott]

if steroids are so bad why do they give them to people who are hiv+ or have cancer, or why do men who have low test levels go get shots from there doctors. Or even better why do kids with stunted growth get hgh shots, yes steroids are so bad but they seem to help better, here's my question to you maverick why are ciggarettes still legal?

 

[silver_shadow]

if steroids are so bad why do they give them to people who are hiv+ or have cancer, or why do men who have low test levels go get shots from there doctors. Or even better why do kids with stunted growth get hgh shots, yes steroids are so bad but they seem to help better, here's my question to you maverick why are ciggarettes still legal?

funny thing is that steroids aren't at all like booze/cigarettes/rec drugs/whatever - they are medicines.

 

[bigcountry61]

u gotta love how this guy is a fuckin know it all...he is everything and has everything.

if u dislike juicers and u hate aas then just dont come over here.

fuckin boxer,model blah blah blah. ur sittin here on the net starting a bunch of shit that u have nothing to do with.


by the way u look wack....i bet u get hit on by alotta dudes tho. u def look homo.and thats being real jordans or no jordans u look like like a pole smoker.

 

[nuthinbutagoodtym]

I'd give ANYTHING to have this thread closed........................

Mav's got WAY too much of a "rise" out of everyone here (myself included)

 

[Bruce]

u gotta love how this guy is a fuckin know it all...he is everything and has everything.

if u dislike juicers and u hate aas then just dont come over here.

fuckin boxer,model blah blah blah. ur sittin here on the net starting a bunch of shit that u have nothing to do with.


by the way u look wack....i bet u get hit on by alotta dudes tho. u def look homo.and thats being real jordans or no jordans u look like like a pole smoker.

lol, too bad this ass made some of us look like asses for even caring. myself included. next time i am ignoring these threads.

 

[drrman]

lol, too bad this ass made some of us look like asses for even caring. myself included. next time i am ignoring these threads.

yeh bruce, over the years i've found myself mixed up in more than one of these threads like this....its all good bro!!!

 

[ortiz34]

Re: I know this is going to get some heated responses but I have to ask.........(seri

I couldn't agree more, let's lock it up mods. Time to clean this board up from this fartlocker.

 

[BigCracker]

cracker??? are you lit all the time?

Only when I'm not snorting Fig Newtons by the plastic sleeve.

 

[BigCracker]

did his first cycle with a gram of test per week and 10 dball's per day....bright guy

Sounds like my pct.

 

[Maverick]

Mod's,

lock this up......... the juicers have enough problems with their blood pressure

 

[BigCracker]

Typical Canuck. What's up drrman? Where's the compassion you had for these uninformed and curious souls a couple wks ago? Did you get carpal tunnel syndrome trying to save them from themselves?

 

[Rainbows]

I think a thread like this, last year, got me into trouble lol. Karma bombed beyond hope.

 

[ironhorse242]

Because I can!

 

[HiDnGoD]

Wow. Really. As much of an Asshat that Maverick is sometimes, I think his original question has merit.
I'm surprised at how fast the flaming started & how long it went on, rather than dealing with the questions. Helps contribute to the stereotype, y'know?
I know about 12 guys that are juicing. Only 3 of them really talk to me about it. One guy is 40ish, & is deluding himself. He says he needs it, is in tremendous pain from lifting, yet continues to do it to look good & expand is sexual repertoir. 2 others are on HRT. One of those sticks to his Dr.s relatively conservative regimen. The other has done a ton of research, actually is quite knowledgeable, & supplements his HRT with a cornucopea (or is that plethora?) of pharms.
Then there's me. I can speak for the sportsguys, so I won't. I've been lifting for over 15 yrs. The first 10 of those, I have no idea why, 'cause I didn't get anywhere. Really, I was moderately obese, and after lotsa work, attention to diet cardio & weights I still couldn't get anywhere. Then after being diagnosed Type II diabetic, then with sleep apnea, my knowledgeable friend suggested I get my levels checked. My test was low so my doc started me on Andriol. Then went to androgel, then test cyp. I never started making any gains, until I got on the cyp. My musculature & vascularity have improved tremendously, though the weight is still an issue.
I also supplement my scrips with moderate cycles.
In closing, I think the people who juice to the point of distraction, working out, etc. do so for the same reason workaholics work so much, bulimics puke & liberals breathe. 'Cause there is something missing in their life & don't know what. People who juice with a clear goal are usually the ones who do the research, start slow, & control it.

 

[drrman]

Typical Canuck. What's up drrman? Where's the compassion you had for these uninformed and curious souls a couple wks ago? Did you get carpal tunnel syndrome trying to save them from themselves?

i've given up on most

 

[Bruce]

dr come on we are dropping this, mav great comment on the bp, i'm sure you really have a friend with health issues being that you would joke about something of that nature

 

[toxicsambo]

Re: I know this is going to get some heated responses but I have to ask.........(seri

dr come on we are dropping this, mav great comment on the bp, i'm sure you really have a friend with health issues being that you would joke about something of that nature

Oh, he lots of friends.
They're about as real as his pic. He still hasn't stepped up to the plate with another pic to prove it's really him. He must be a mongoloid in RL.

 

[Bruce]

lol toxic. yep but he is a pathetic person. bp is proabably my biggest concern and it is a scary thing altogether. so i don't think it should be joked about

 

[BigCracker]

if steroids are so bad why do they give them to people who are hiv+ or have cancer

Cuz they're gonna die anyway maybe? lol Leukemia patients take 250 mgs of A-50 a day for like 6 months at a time-you gotta be pretty bad off healthwise if that's the treatment for your disease. Ex-increase your red blood cell count at the expense of your liver.

 

[mr. snakes]

thats nice, he is not my friend asshat, he is a poster on here (eat big)

why would you say something like that ? cancer is no joke, karma will bite you back for that. (and im not talking about EF karma)

Conclusion to this thread:

There is NO health risk as long as you use them properly.

Reason for usage: Has NOTHING to do with looks. Roids are for ANYONE who wants to get BIG & STRONG.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maverick is a stick boy, momma's boy, & fucking pussy. And ALWAYS will be...

We (the Roiders) have made our point. Now, someone lock this thread before it goes on & on & on & on & on & on & on ..........................

We've heard enough of this non-roider, idiot, sissy, pencil neck geek "Maverick".

 

[Wulfgar]

Agreed
we dont need another Roadhouse thread...10,000 somethin posts

 

[Apexx]

 

[promet1]

2 asprin will cure ya 20 can kill ya

enough said !

WTF

 

[GeneticMutation]

I use steroids because I want to be the best I can possibly be doing what I love most. It's my poison. The following is from another post I made on the same issue from another forum:

The number one issue that surrounds the medical safety of Anabolic Steroids is the fact that there are zero long-term studies done on the effects of Steroids. In the 70+ years that anabolic steroids have been around, there are zero studies pertaining to the effects that steroids have on healthy adult males. Notice the operative words in the above? healthy adult males

"We are all aware of the adverse effects of Anabolic Steroids during the short-term: gynecomastia, testicular atrophy, decreased libido, liver stress on 17AA's and the list goes on. For most bodybuilders, the short-term ramifications are considered managable when proper counters for adverse effects are used. PCT is done for a reason, and drugs such as HCG and Nolvadex/Clomid have their place.

We are also aware of the causatum of AAS use in adolescents. Premature fusing of growth plates, erectile dysfunction, infertility and even psychological complications. You won't hear any member of the steroid using community advocating steroid use among teens.

In addition, women have a whole multitude of problems ranging from deepening of the voice, enlarged clitoris and menstrual difficulties.


Yes we do know steroids can cause cardiac arrest if injected into a blood vessel. However, is that the result of the steroid or of the erroneus use of the steroid by the user? The answer is fairly obvious, that is why you aspirate before injection. Human error shouldn't be used to judge the effect of pharmaceuticals. HIV doesn't jump out of somebody elses' body onto your needle.

As stated before, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence, often supported by those ignorant on the matter such as Billy Graham as seen on the Donny-Deutsch steroid episode and a certain pro football player we're all familiar with.

When it comes to science? zero. After all, what kind of message would the politicians be sending if they authorized a 20+ year study on Anabolic Steroids? Or any length of time for that matter. The problem with studies on anabolic steroids is that there are too many variables to work with regarding the subjects. God only knows what pre-existing conditions subjectA had prior to testing and if the said subject is taking anything recreational on the side.

The media blows everything out of the water as well. If subject B was on D-bol, and decided to go on a binge drinking spree every second day, I bet you that the media would jump on the Dianabol as the reason for his liver looking like a 12 year old shriveled pickle.

I won't even touch the legal hypocrasy when it comes to the fact that real "killers" such as AAS are off-limits and perfectly healthy lifestyle choices such as alcoholic beverages and cigarrettes are 100% legal. (Note:Sarcasm) It's all about the money and the tax revenue they bring in on this one.

When it comes to unfair advantages? Please. You might as well remove creatine off the shelves as well since some people can afford it and some can't so it is obviously giving an unfair anabolic edge. Humans all seek pleasure (or the avoidance of pain if you follow Aristotles' doctrine). Vanity ranks right up there. I for one will admit I'm vain, however that is my poison when it comes to pleasure. For some, it's crashing on the couch with a bag of Lays. Others prefer a trip to the arcande DDR'ing all night. For me and others of my "kind"? We juice, work out, live life fairly responsibly and display the fruits of our labor to the world. Person A may spend 2000 dollars a year on alchohol and 3-4 coffes a day. Myself? I sacrifice those two for gear. Brand me a vain musclehead if you will, but dare not call me naive.

I enjoy my life the way I choose to enjoy it and I'll be damned if anyone asserts upon me that their way of living life is superior to mine. And there are millions out there who would say the exact same."

 

[Maverick]

lol toxic. yep but he is a pathetic person. bp is proabably my biggest concern and it is a scary thing altogether. so i don't think it should be joked about

if your worried about your BP, then stop taking roids.

simple

 

[HiDnGoD]

I use steroids because I want to be the best I can possibly be doing what I love most. It's my poison. The following is from another post I made on the same issue from another forum:

The number one issue that surrounds the medical safety of Anabolic Steroids is the fact that there are zero long-term studies done on the effects of Steroids. In the 70+ years that anabolic steroids have been around, there are zero studies pertaining to the effects that steroids have on healthy adult males. Notice the operative words in the above? healthy adult males

"We are all aware of the adverse effects of Anabolic Steroids during the short-term: gynecomastia, testicular atrophy, decreased libido, liver stress on 17AA's and the list goes on. For most bodybuilders, the short-term ramifications are considered managable when proper counters for adverse effects are used. PCT is done for a reason, and drugs such as HCG and Nolvadex/Clomid have their place.

We are also aware of the causatum of AAS use in adolescents. Premature fusing of growth plates, erectile dysfunction, infertility and even psychological complications. You won't hear any member of the steroid using community advocating steroid use among teens.

In addition, women have a whole multitude of problems ranging from deepening of the voice, enlarged clitoris and menstrual difficulties.


Yes we do know steroids can cause cardiac arrest if injected into a blood vessel. However, is that the result of the steroid or of the erroneus use of the steroid by the user? The answer is fairly obvious, that is why you aspirate before injection. Human error shouldn't be used to judge the effect of pharmaceuticals. HIV doesn't jump out of somebody elses' body onto your needle.

As stated before, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence, often supported by those ignorant on the matter such as Billy Graham as seen on the Donny-Deutsch steroid episode and a certain pro football player we're all familiar with.

When it comes to science? zero. After all, what kind of message would the politicians be sending if they authorized a 20+ year study on Anabolic Steroids? Or any length of time for that matter. The problem with studies on anabolic steroids is that there are too many variables to work with regarding the subjects. God only knows what pre-existing conditions subjectA had prior to testing and if the said subject is taking anything recreational on the side.

The media blows everything out of the water as well. If subject B was on D-bol, and decided to go on a binge drinking spree every second day, I bet you that the media would jump on the Dianabol as the reason for his liver looking like a 12 year old shriveled pickle.

I won't even touch the legal hypocrasy when it comes to the fact that real "killers" such as AAS are off-limits and perfectly healthy lifestyle choices such as alcoholic beverages and cigarrettes are 100% legal. (Note:Sarcasm) It's all about the money and the tax revenue they bring in on this one.

When it comes to unfair advantages? Please. You might as well remove creatine off the shelves as well since some people can afford it and some can't so it is obviously giving an unfair anabolic edge. Humans all seek pleasure (or the avoidance of pain if you follow Aristotles' doctrine). Vanity ranks right up there. I for one will admit I'm vain, however that is my poison when it comes to pleasure. For some, it's crashing on the couch with a bag of Lays. Others prefer a trip to the arcande DDR'ing all night. For me and others of my "kind"? We juice, work out, live life fairly responsibly and display the fruits of our labor to the world. Person A may spend 2000 dollars a year on alchohol and 3-4 coffes a day. Myself? I sacrifice those two for gear. Brand me a vain musclehead if you will, but dare not call me naive.

I enjoy my life the way I choose to enjoy it and I'll be damned if anyone asserts upon me that their way of living life is superior to mine. And there are millions out there who would say the exact same."

Good posts.

 

[HiDnGoD]

if your worried about your BP, then stop taking roids.

simple

They made their point Mav. I suggest if you're so worried about Bruce's health, you PM him. He's evidently addressing the issue as he see's fit.
Let it die.

 

[Maverick]

im done with this thread

 

[nuthinbutagoodtym]

Re: I know this is going to get some heated responses but I have to ask.........(seri

im done with this thread

*****coward*****

 

[HiDnGoD]

Re: I know this is going to get some heated responses but I have to ask.........(seri

*****coward*****

Let it die. It does no one any good to continue.

 

[64Pilot]

Your a tool maverick. I have served with a lot of good guys from Canada, and you definetely bring them down.Pussy