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I fu**** HATE The Term "Cutting Cycle"?!?!?

How would you keep muscle mass, while droping your calories 500-1000 below maintenance, adding cardio and lose body fat?

Keeping muscle mass with a 500 calorie deficit is not hard. With correct timing supplementation and with knowing how these things work, you can even gain a slight amount of muscle while dieting. I did it myself, I have seen people done it too.

So if I understand this correctly, you're "fing" with your health only if you're cutting? Can you clairfy what you're trying to say here? This doesn't make sense the way it's written.

You didn't understand correctly. I didnt say it specipicly for cutting cycles but for all AAS usage. Gaining mass always should be no.1 priority and you cant cycle a lot without creating problems, little or big..

So if one person is at 14% bf and wants to get down to 7% does that make him a "fat ass"? Hypothetically speaking here lets assume he just finished 2 bulking cycles, put on 40 lbs of muscle and 10 lbs of fat.

If your diet is good enough, you can lose fat while gaining muscle on AAS. It can be done easily. Off gear, you cant do good job at both but with gear, yes. If you are 7% over your target bf, then there must be somethings that aren't correct. That guy should diet naturally and do another cycle to gain mass after he lost some bodyfat. He is not gonna lose much mass if he does things correctly (after 8-10% that s a different story). Muscle memory will hit crazily fast in his next cycle and regain what he might have lost


Again, if you're cutting your calories by 1000 a day does that mean you don't know how to eat? What if the same person is eating a totally clean diet as opposed to a dirty bulk? Does this imply that one person doesn't know how to eat and the other does? It sounds like you're going off just for the sake of it and not totally explaining yourself.

1000 is too much. you are saying cut 1000, add cardio; no that's not the best thing to do. It is not correct all. You are definitely gonna lose mass doing like that. Then you are gonna think you need AAS to keep mass.
 
How would you keep muscle mass, while droping your calories 500-1000 below maintenance, adding cardio and lose body fat?

Keeping muscle mass with a 500 calorie deficit is not hard. With correct timing supplementation and with knowing how these things work, you can even gain a slight amount of muscle while dieting. I did it myself, I have seen people done it too.

I don't know about that.

So if I understand this correctly, you're "fing" with your health only if you're cutting? Can you clairfy what you're trying to say here? This doesn't make sense the way it's written.

You didn't understand correctly. I didnt say it specipicly for cutting cycles but for all AAS usage. Gaining mass always should be no.1 priority and you cant cycle a lot without creating problems, little or big..

If you know what you're doing while cycling there should be no problems.

So if one person is at 14% bf and wants to get down to 7% does that make him a "fat ass"? Hypothetically speaking here lets assume he just finished 2 bulking cycles, put on 40 lbs of muscle and 10 lbs of fat.

If your diet is good enough, you can lose fat while gaining muscle on AAS. It can be done easily. Off gear, you cant do good job at both but with gear, yes. If you are 7% over your target bf, then there must be somethings that aren't correct. That guy should diet naturally and do another cycle to gain mass after he lost some bodyfat. He is not gonna lose much mass if he does things correctly (after 8-10% that s a different story). Muscle memory will hit crazily fast in his next cycle and regain what he might have lost

I agree on the first sentence. So if he comes off cycle and diets and loses 20 lbs 15 being muscle then isn't that conterproductive?

Again, if you're cutting your calories by 1000 a day does that mean you don't know how to eat? What if the same person is eating a totally clean diet as opposed to a dirty bulk? Does this imply that one person doesn't know how to eat and the other does? It sounds like you're going off just for the sake of it and not totally explaining yourself.

1000 is too much. you are saying cut 1000, add cardio; no that's not the best thing to do. It is not correct all. You are definitely gonna lose mass doing like that. Then you are gonna think you need AAS to keep mass.

1,000 is NOT too much. I go from 4,000-5,000 while bulking to 2,200 while cutting and have kept almost all of my mass. It works.

we agree to disagree on some things. Good luck.
 
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If you know what you're doing while cycling there should be no problems.

Minimal..

I agree on the first sentence. So if he comes off cycle and diets and loses 20 lbs 15 being muscle then isn't that conterproductive?

Again, if you're cutting your calories by 1000 a day does that mean you don't know how to eat? What if the same person is eating a totally clean diet as opposed to a dirty bulk? Does this imply that one person doesn't know how to eat and the other does? It sounds like you're going off just for the sake of it and not totally explaining yourself.

There is no reason for him to lose any mass after procer PCT. After pct, everything can go on normally. He should diet and get good results.
Heck, right now I am at the end of my PCT and have lower BF% than in-cycle with almost same measurements. Plus my body type is closer to an ectomorph and I sometimes trained 5.5 hours a day ( for national competition in my sport) in PCT. So If I can keep my mass and lose fat even in PCT with this bodytype and training schedule; then nobody can say they need AAS to keep mass. It comes to one thing; knowledge and experience. I am not gonna explain the diet; I dont have time for that.



1,000 is NOT too much. I go from 4,000-5,000 while bulking to 2,200 while cutting and have kept almost all of my mass. It works.

If it is not too much, then you shouldnt have problems with losing muscle.Then you dont have to discuss this topic with me. 3000 calorie difference is very incorrect,also. Now , it can be easily understood why you are defending cutting cycles
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I don't like the term "Cutter" either. It reminds me of the the emo kid next door lol.

I can see running a test/tren/winny type cycle to "Harden" up, but using AAS to cut from +20% bf is kind of dumb. You should have your body fat in control before ever using the sauce imo. If you gained too much fat on your "bulker" you ate too much shit.
 
I use the term "muscle sparing" over "cutting cycle".

Cardio + diet = Fat loss + Muscle loss

Cardio + diet + EDUCATED AAS Use = Fat loss +Strength gain + Muscle gain

+1


What I think you are annoyed with is newbs looking at dedicated individuals and how lean they are (not realizing the diet, and cardio and overall training that are required to get there) and thus asking "annoying" questions like "which aas are best for fat loss" and such

I agree that gets annoying, but be a good bro, and point them to their diet and cardio!! Dont tell them theyre a dumbass for looking to juice...if you do that, they wont respect you, and theyll just go ahead with the juice anyway.
 
So what is the best cycle for a cutter??? :biggrin:

He's about 5'8" 135 pounds and he wears his sisters jeans lolololol
 
Sounds to me like you're more annoyed with the over used term of a "cutter cycle" than anything else. Anyone who generally uses that term is just basically saying that he wants to drop some fat, from his already muscular body, or in a different usage, run a few steroids that give a person a more harder, lean look. It has nothing to do with a person, whether he's fat and lazy and now he wants to run a "cutter" cycle. In fact, I usually see that term tossed around from guys who have their diets in check and have been running bulker cycles and want to shed the water and tighten up a bit.

Yes, I sort of see your point in the over usage of that term, but that's almost like ripping on someone who comes in here and posts, "Can I drink Winny?" ..

well, I take it back, we should be ripping on those morons..

=)
 
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