I fu**** HATE The Term "Cutting Cycle"?!?!?

[aquatic_glories]

Why the hell I see tons of people starting a cutting cycle with so-called drugs???

You are already fucking with your health, and you are wasting it with cutting??? Why the hell would someone first consider using steroids to get down from high BF%?? You should be able to lose fat easily if you have high bf%. In case you think of a cycle, then you have.

If you are a fat ass or can't lose fat, first get your fucking diet in order!!!

Steroids are not for people who don't even know how to eat!!!

( pro's etc.... excluded)



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[g-rex]

that is a well constructed, fact based argument that you put forward!!!!!!! or not

why do you assume that everybody that does a cutting cycle is at such a high bf%? i know guys who arent pro who run cutting cycles even when they are in single digit body fat.

and how do you know that these people haven't got their diet in order? its true that the diet is most important, but what is the harm in taking AAS to aid in preserving as much lean mass as possible.

its your opinion, which you are of course entitled to, just my 2 cents....

 

[aquatic_glories]

most people who run cutting cycles have high BF% .

I dont know many guys who aren't pro and are in the need of cutting cycles while at single-digit bf%. It is non-sense. If you get that low bf%, you are not gonna be able to keep it for a long time . Plus I am not counting the health risks.

If those people got their diet in order, then they wouldn't be at high BF% !! That simple. I have never seen a guy who has a strict and correct diet for a long time and have high bf% . Unless you have some health problems, your diet sucks if you are a fat ass.

Since you have high amounts of bodyfat, you are not gonna lose much muscle at all if you diet correctly plus you might even gain some if you apply correct principles. The higher your bodyfat levels are, the easier it is to lose fat and keep muscle mass. Plus the research says that...

 

[Nomak666]

steroids are used to "build muscle". some steroids are better for a dryer look but steroids itself, are used to put on more muscle then your body naturally can. people do misuse the term cutting cycle. it all comes down to putting on mass and dieting the fat away. its alright to use a low dose of steroids to maintain strength while dieting but i understand exactly what your trying to say

 

[g-rex]

the term cutting cycle doesnt wind me up, it does wind me up when people think that steroids will magicly melt fat off of them though.

considering that the majority of aas users are doing it for aesthetic reasons, then they want to look the best they can..... that is why i think they feel the need to diet even at single digit body fat.

i agree, its unhealthy to try and stay at that level for a prolonged period of time, however like with a bulking cycle, its the food that makes you bigger, if u are not in a calorific excess you simply wont grow.

so cutting and bulking cycles in essence both should f**k you off! anyways i am digressing, its really not that important

 

[aquatic_glories]

People already look good if they are in single-digit BF and dont need to diet more with AAS use. Then it goes out of aesthetic.
Correct, the term bulk fucks me off,too. That's a different thing,however.

I will repeat. If you are a fat-ass , learn how to diet correctly first. Then wonder about AAS.

I hope you are not taking anything personally..

 

[g-rex]

no not at all, i am buy no means a fat ass, but i have struggled to get below around 13% bf naturally.
i am hoping that the tren/test will help me with strength, and that a clen/eca rotated stack may give me a little boost, but i personally would be happy to get somewhere near 10%.
I will be honest, numbers dont bother me too much, if i can come in at end of cycle holding some more lean mass than last year then i will be happy.

sorry if my original post came across slightly harsh, its just alot of people (not saying you) assume that people who are cutting are ALL extremely overweight and dont have a clue about diet!

 

[Olivelawn]

Why the hell I see tons of people starting a cutting cycle with so-called drugs???

How would you keep muscle mass, while droping your calories 500-1000 below maintenance, adding cardio and lose body fat?

You are already fucking with your health, and you are wasting it with cutting??? Why the hell would someone first consider using steroids to get down from high BF%?? You should be able to lose fat easily if you have high bf%. In case you think of a cycle, then you have.

So if I understand this correctly, you're "fing" with your health only if you're cutting? Can you clairfy what you're trying to say here? This doesn't make sense the way it's written.

If you are a fat ass or can't lose fat, first get your fucking diet in order!!!

So if one person is at 14% bf and wants to get down to 7% does that make him a "fat ass"? Hypothetically speaking here lets assume he just finished 2 bulking cycles, put on 40 lbs of muscle and 10 lbs of fat.

Steroids are not for people who don't even know how to eat!!!

Again, if you're cutting your calories by 1000 a day does that mean you don't know how to eat? What if the same person is eating a totally clean diet as opposed to a dirty bulk? Does this imply that one person doesn't know how to eat and the other does? It sounds like you're going off just for the sake of it and not totally explaining yourself.

No disrespect intended here, just the overall generalization of everything instead of pinpointing something I suppose.

( pro's etc.... excluded)

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[eddymerckx]

I like "Lean Mass" and "Bloated Mass".........but what do you call someone like me who uses gear (now) to spare muscle and get strong for endurance sports??? I vote for "Strength Cycle".

 

[EZ_E]

I think what he's saying is that there are far too many people who neglected any type of health consciousness for years and now are looking for a quick fix that they aren't going to find.

Ever see a unicorn?

Ain't gonna see a quick fix either.

 

[aquatic_glories]

How would you keep muscle mass, while droping your calories 500-1000 below maintenance, adding cardio and lose body fat?

Keeping muscle mass with a 500 calorie deficit is not hard. With correct timing supplementation and with knowing how these things work, you can even gain a slight amount of muscle while dieting. I did it myself, I have seen people done it too.

So if I understand this correctly, you're "fing" with your health only if you're cutting? Can you clairfy what you're trying to say here? This doesn't make sense the way it's written.

You didn't understand correctly. I didnt say it specipicly for cutting cycles but for all AAS usage. Gaining mass always should be no.1 priority and you cant cycle a lot without creating problems, little or big..

So if one person is at 14% bf and wants to get down to 7% does that make him a "fat ass"? Hypothetically speaking here lets assume he just finished 2 bulking cycles, put on 40 lbs of muscle and 10 lbs of fat.

If your diet is good enough, you can lose fat while gaining muscle on AAS. It can be done easily. Off gear, you cant do good job at both but with gear, yes. If you are 7% over your target bf, then there must be somethings that aren't correct. That guy should diet naturally and do another cycle to gain mass after he lost some bodyfat. He is not gonna lose much mass if he does things correctly (after 8-10% that s a different story). Muscle memory will hit crazily fast in his next cycle and regain what he might have lost


Again, if you're cutting your calories by 1000 a day does that mean you don't know how to eat? What if the same person is eating a totally clean diet as opposed to a dirty bulk? Does this imply that one person doesn't know how to eat and the other does? It sounds like you're going off just for the sake of it and not totally explaining yourself.

1000 is too much. you are saying cut 1000, add cardio; no that's not the best thing to do. It is not correct all. You are definitely gonna lose mass doing like that. Then you are gonna think you need AAS to keep mass.

 

[aquatic_glories]

I like "Lean Mass" and "Bloated Mass".........but what do you call someone like me who uses gear (now) to spare muscle and get strong for endurance sports??? I vote for "Strength Cycle".

Yes , lean mass is the best.

 

[Olivelawn]

How would you keep muscle mass, while droping your calories 500-1000 below maintenance, adding cardio and lose body fat?

Keeping muscle mass with a 500 calorie deficit is not hard. With correct timing supplementation and with knowing how these things work, you can even gain a slight amount of muscle while dieting. I did it myself, I have seen people done it too.

I don't know about that.

So if I understand this correctly, you're "fing" with your health only if you're cutting? Can you clairfy what you're trying to say here? This doesn't make sense the way it's written.

You didn't understand correctly. I didnt say it specipicly for cutting cycles but for all AAS usage. Gaining mass always should be no.1 priority and you cant cycle a lot without creating problems, little or big..

If you know what you're doing while cycling there should be no problems.

So if one person is at 14% bf and wants to get down to 7% does that make him a "fat ass"? Hypothetically speaking here lets assume he just finished 2 bulking cycles, put on 40 lbs of muscle and 10 lbs of fat.

If your diet is good enough, you can lose fat while gaining muscle on AAS. It can be done easily. Off gear, you cant do good job at both but with gear, yes. If you are 7% over your target bf, then there must be somethings that aren't correct. That guy should diet naturally and do another cycle to gain mass after he lost some bodyfat. He is not gonna lose much mass if he does things correctly (after 8-10% that s a different story). Muscle memory will hit crazily fast in his next cycle and regain what he might have lost

I agree on the first sentence. So if he comes off cycle and diets and loses 20 lbs 15 being muscle then isn't that conterproductive?

Again, if you're cutting your calories by 1000 a day does that mean you don't know how to eat? What if the same person is eating a totally clean diet as opposed to a dirty bulk? Does this imply that one person doesn't know how to eat and the other does? It sounds like you're going off just for the sake of it and not totally explaining yourself.

1000 is too much. you are saying cut 1000, add cardio; no that's not the best thing to do. It is not correct all. You are definitely gonna lose mass doing like that. Then you are gonna think you need AAS to keep mass.

1,000 is NOT too much. I go from 4,000-5,000 while bulking to 2,200 while cutting and have kept almost all of my mass. It works.

we agree to disagree on some things. Good luck.

 

[aquatic_glories]

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If you know what you're doing while cycling there should be no problems.

Minimal..

I agree on the first sentence. So if he comes off cycle and diets and loses 20 lbs 15 being muscle then isn't that conterproductive?

Again, if you're cutting your calories by 1000 a day does that mean you don't know how to eat? What if the same person is eating a totally clean diet as opposed to a dirty bulk? Does this imply that one person doesn't know how to eat and the other does? It sounds like you're going off just for the sake of it and not totally explaining yourself.

There is no reason for him to lose any mass after procer PCT. After pct, everything can go on normally. He should diet and get good results.
Heck, right now I am at the end of my PCT and have lower BF% than in-cycle with almost same measurements. Plus my body type is closer to an ectomorph and I sometimes trained 5.5 hours a day ( for national competition in my sport) in PCT. So If I can keep my mass and lose fat even in PCT with this bodytype and training schedule; then nobody can say they need AAS to keep mass. It comes to one thing; knowledge and experience. I am not gonna explain the diet; I dont have time for that.


1,000 is NOT too much. I go from 4,000-5,000 while bulking to 2,200 while cutting and have kept almost all of my mass. It works.

If it is not too much, then you shouldnt have problems with losing muscle.Then you dont have to discuss this topic with me. 3000 calorie difference is very incorrect,also. Now , it can be easily understood why you are defending cutting cycles
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[SouthernLord]

I don't like the term "Cutter" either. It reminds me of the the emo kid next door lol.

I can see running a test/tren/winny type cycle to "Harden" up, but using AAS to cut from +20% bf is kind of dumb. You should have your body fat in control before ever using the sauce imo. If you gained too much fat on your "bulker" you ate too much shit.

 

[theperfectdrug187]

Yes , lean mass is the best.

I use the term "muscle sparing" over "cutting cycle".

Cardio + diet = Fat loss + Muscle loss

Cardio + diet + EDUCATED AAS Use = Fat loss +Strength gain + Muscle gain

 

[aquatic_glories]

yep

I definitely agree with these replies.

 

[REFORMATA]

I use the term "muscle sparing" over "cutting cycle".

Cardio + diet = Fat loss + Muscle loss

Cardio + diet + EDUCATED AAS Use = Fat loss +Strength gain + Muscle gain

+1


What I think you are annoyed with is newbs looking at dedicated individuals and how lean they are (not realizing the diet, and cardio and overall training that are required to get there) and thus asking "annoying" questions like "which aas are best for fat loss" and such

I agree that gets annoying, but be a good bro, and point them to their diet and cardio!! Dont tell them theyre a dumbass for looking to juice...if you do that, they wont respect you, and theyll just go ahead with the juice anyway.

 

[SouthernLord]

So what is the best cycle for a cutter???

He's about 5'8" 135 pounds and he wears his sisters jeans lolololol

 

[sparetire]

Sounds to me like you're more annoyed with the over used term of a "cutter cycle" than anything else. Anyone who generally uses that term is just basically saying that he wants to drop some fat, from his already muscular body, or in a different usage, run a few steroids that give a person a more harder, lean look. It has nothing to do with a person, whether he's fat and lazy and now he wants to run a "cutter" cycle. In fact, I usually see that term tossed around from guys who have their diets in check and have been running bulker cycles and want to shed the water and tighten up a bit.

Yes, I sort of see your point in the over usage of that term, but that's almost like ripping on someone who comes in here and posts, "Can I drink Winny?" ..

well, I take it back, we should be ripping on those morons..

=)

 

[aquatic_glories]

So what is the best cycle for a cutter???

He's about 5'8" 135 pounds and he wears his sisters jeans lolololol

He should definitely include high-dose tren with some winny and oxandrolone. He also should add some test to keep libido normal. Since primo is also good with low-cal diets, he also should use that. He shall also kickstart with dbol plus it will melt his intra-abdominal fat.
He better should use some humalog to get into ketosis quickly. So , overally:

weeks 1-6 dbol @ at least 50 mg to see minor results
1-8 tren
6-12 winny
12-20 anavar
1-20 primobolan
1-20 test
1-4 16-20 humalog

that should definitely make him look cut

He shouldnt do any pct because it requires money.

 

[aquatic_glories]

Sounds to me like you're more annoyed with the over used term of a "cutter cycle" than anything else. Anyone who generally uses that term is just basically saying that he wants to drop some fat, from his already muscular body, or in a different usage, run a few steroids that give a person a more harder, lean look. It has nothing to do with a person, whether he's fat and lazy and now he wants to run a "cutter" cycle. In fact, I usually see that term tossed around from guys who have their diets in check and have been running bulker cycles and want to shed the water and tighten up a bit.

Yes, I sort of see your point in the over usage of that term, but that's almost like ripping on someone who comes in here and posts, "Can I drink Winny?" ..

well, I take it back, we should be ripping on those morons..

=)

well no problem with those who needs to lose only a few percent to get their old look. You can do that even while you are gaining mass if u know how to use roids properly.

Just like our good bro GUARDIAN said, steroids should be used for gaining mass !!!

 

[OneBreath]

Cutting Cycle for 20% bf:

wks 1-15: Deficit 200 calories ED
wks 1-15: Cut off carbs at 6PM ED
wks 1-15: AM fasted cardio 60 minutes @ 75% MHR ED

This stack will result in about 10 lbs fat loss / negligible muscle loss over course of cycle

 

[HAYEZ]

Why the hell I see tons of people starting a cutting cycle with so-called drugs???

You are already fucking with your health, and you are wasting it with cutting??? Why the hell would someone first consider using steroids to get down from high BF%?? You should be able to lose fat easily if you have high bf%. In case you think of a cycle, then you have.

If you are a fat ass or can't lose fat, first get your fucking diet in order!!!

Steroids are not for people who don't even know how to eat!!!

( pro's etc.... excluded)



Thanks

This is a pretty ignorant post..u diet u lose muscle..u add in steroids u keep muscle and accelerate fat loss... What is there not to understand? U diet without steroids u lose more muscle..I know I don't bust my ass working out only to lose it by dieting...

 

[aquatic_glories]

This is a pretty ignorant post..u diet u lose muscle..u add in steroids u keep muscle and accelerate fat loss... What is there not to understand? U diet without steroids u lose more muscle..I know I don't bust my ass working out only to lose it by dieting...

You diet correctly, you lose none to minimal. It is even possible to gain some.

 

[drsketch]

you're a fucking idiot, get your md then come back son

 

[HAYEZ]

You diet correctly, you lose none to minimal. It is even possible to gain some.

u obviously have no experience in this...

 

[Olivelawn]

u obviously have no experience in this...

+1

Just because some people agree with you still doesn't mean you're right.

Thanks for speaking the truth here Drsketch and Hayez.

 

[OneBreath]

I think you guys might be talking about 2 classes of people here. My comment was on the 20%bf dude that comes to the board because he hears there are steroids that "cut". He doesn't have much LBM to begin with and really just needs to lose weight. He's thinking that these "cutting" steroids are like the holy grail to weight loss

You guys are talking about dudes that have a large amount of LBM (unlike the guy above) and you don't want to lose any of those hard earned gains when dieting.

I'm not sure which AG is talking about.

Regardless, lets come together and love each other.

 

[HAYEZ]

+1

Just because some people agree with you still doesn't mean you're right.

Thanks for speaking the truth here Drsketch and Hayez.

you get someone that is new to weights and diet they can lose fat and gain muscle...once that newness wears off its a battle from there on...if people have any experience lifting they know that in a calorie deficit it is very difficult to keep up the same strength and hold mass while dieting...you need food to grow..you dont have enough food you dont grow you lose weight!

 

[HOLYSHITLOOK@ME]

My cycle: 20 weeks 450mg test E 600mg EQ. I started 8 weeks ago, had 20.3%bf. 5'10 215lbs 30 yrs old. Today I weigh 211 with 15.8%bf. By week 20 I should be 200-210 with 8%bf. "Cutting" or clean cycles is all I do. I dont want to be a muscle cumbersome block head.

So call it what you will, cutting cycle or lean bulker. Fact is when using gear with a clean diet you can gain muscle and lose fat easily.....

 

[OneBreath]

My cycle: 20 weeks 450mg test E 600mg EQ. I started 8 weeks ago, had 20.3%bf. 5'10 215lbs 30 yrs old. Today I weigh 211 with 15.8%bf. By week 20 I should be 200-210 with 8%bf. "Cutting" or clean cycles is all I do. I dont want to be a muscle cumbersome block head.

So call it what you will, cutting cycle or lean bulker. Fact is when using gear with a clean diet you can gain muscle and lose fat easily.....

You're fucking jacked bro! Definitely not the typical 20%bf guy that just heard about winny.

Great work. Good luck with the next 12 weeks.

 

[aquatic_glories]

u obviously have no experience in this...

I wouldn't have talked If I had not.

 

[aquatic_glories]

you're a fucking idiot, get your md then come back son

the banned psycho is back again.

 

[aquatic_glories]

you get someone that is new to weights and diet they can lose fat and gain muscle...once that newness wears off its a battle from there on...if people have any experience lifting they know that in a calorie deficit it is very difficult to keep up the same strength and hold mass while dieting...you need food to grow..you dont have enough food you dont grow you lose weight!

Yes it is hard and i didn't say anything opposite. I have done it, I have seen people do it, I even saw few 240+ people do it.
I already told that once you get to a certain BF%, that's another story.
But most people are not even close to that level when they start to diet..

 

[lartinos]

i'm sur ethis was said, but there are cutting cycles. newbs just fail to undertsand the concept exactly.