How often do you do ur decline bench

[BOOEY]

Practical knowledge cannot be compared to book knowledge, especially in bodybuilding. With you, it always seems to be Tom's way or the wrong way. So if your way is always the right way, prove it. Get a picture of yourself and post it. In satch's words, time to walk the walk. If low volume and frequency is where it's at, and you adopt this method, hell, you must have something to show ... right?

It seems that most people who say the physique means nothing, it's all about what you know, are the ones that don't have a lot to show. Post a pic and prove me wrong, I'm sure a lot of people on this board would respect you a lot more if you did.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I'm not looking for the respect of anyone on this board, first off. That being said, don't try and bait me into posting a picture.

Practical knowledge can be compared, and both can be applied. It's not only my way or the wrong way. I said once a week training can work, but it won't be optimal. Most people who train once a week are crawling along, when they could be developing themselves much quicker.

People who argue against things like this tend to be those afraid of science, or those who don't understand it. Either that, or they're stuck in their ways. Whichever you are, I really don't care. Go on training with 16 sets in a training session, if that's what you do. Continue begging for a picture from me. Train once a week, and whether or not you recognize that it's subpar, I don't care.

 

[RGS83]

...meanwhile back at the ranch ...

Excidium28, do you mind if i ask your stats, and inquire on your training routine?? (reps, sets, frequency?)
...you've got the build that I'm lifting to get - and i mean that in the MOST hetrosexual way possible

-Ryan

 

[Madcow2]

A picture won't solve or prove anything.

You'd think ProBBers know a shitload about training but the vast majority of them know nothing more on the subject than your average EF poster. Tweaking their condition through diet and drugs is another matter entirely and combined with genetics and discipline these are the ingredients for a proBBer. Practical knowledge in training means little when there is no performance criteria and drug use is allowed at huge orders of magnitude. Shitty training stimulus + 4 grams of test + food = hypertrophy, maybe not optimal growth but just up the dosage more and you'll get the same gains as optimal growth at a lower dosage.

Look at golf, how come the best money winners listen to teaching pros who have very limited competitive success? Shit, if they knew more about the golf swing they'd be out there getting money right? Unfortunately, knowing more about swinging a golf club and tailoring a swing to another person doesn't necessarily make a person's performance supperior.

Satch's instigational point was against someone portraying themself as a "big guy" and providing information based upon "experience". A picture might certainly address that one but the basis for recommendation here isn't "I'm huge, I train with higher frequency, train like me and you'll be huge." I don't know what Division's basis for information was but if it was his size and experience in getting huge I guess a picture is valid to discredit that.

Look at my 5x5 thread. Very basic stuff yet far better training info than 99.99% of BBers have in their heads (this is not kudos to me but sad for them). But right now, I'm a fairly soft 250. I've been injured for almost the entire past 1.5 years (shoulder, back, and ankle). 6 months ago I couldn't even bench 135 without searing pain. Due to the flu, travel, family, and business I've maybe trained once in the past 4 weeks. Even in shape I limit my weight to the 240 range just for general health. Could I weigh 300 and be really big, yeah - I'm 6'3" I could probably get there naturally given some time albeit not single digit BF like a heavily juiced BBer. Do I want to, fuck no. At higher weights my legs rub together too much making hikes in the woods a PITA (and I like walking with my family), it's harder on the joints and heart (I'm not getting any younger here), and there's really no purpose. If I was 300 would I post different information - nope. If I was 300 would it help anyone here with their goals - nope. Would some really knowledgeable coach read my the thread and say, "Hmmm, some good information but given that's this guy is 300lbs - that makes it great information," so unlikely it sounds ludicrous. Hell, look at Ed Coan's old training tapes - the guy pulled 901 at 220, probably the best PL ever, but I'm totally unimpressed with the layout of his training cycle and I highly doubt he's doing the same things these days (mental focus was inspiring though).

So anyway, if you are willing to trust an older, injured, out of shape lifter I will vouch for the frequency thing. If I'm not good enough, well you pick a very knowledgable strength and conditioning coach or researcher at random and they will tell you exactly the same thing.

Here are some studies I pulled from an article on frequency that Bryan Haycock wrote basically supporting the same thing.

1) Nosaka K, Clarkson P.M. Muscle damage following repeated bouts of high force eccentric exercise. Med. Sci. Sports Exrc., 27(9):1263-1269,1995

2) Smith LL., Fuylmer MG., Holbert D., McCammon MR., Houmard JA., Frazer DD., Nsien E., Isreal RG. The impact of repeated bout of eccentric exercise on muscular strength, muscle soreness and creatine kinase. Br J Sp Med 28(4):267-271, 1994

3) T.C. Chen, Taipei Physical Education College, and S.S. Hsieh, FACSM,. The effects of a seven-day repeated eccentric training on recovery from muscle damage. Med. Sci. Sports Exrc. 31(5 Supp) pp. S71, 1999

4) McLester JR., Bishop P., & Guilliams M. Comparison of 1 and 3 day per week of equal volume resistance training in experienced subjects. Med. Sci. Sports Exrc. 31(5 Supp) pp.S117 1999

 

[Newlobby]

everything in this game has a potential to work, high frequency is a great method ala dogcrapp just don't so it round year.

But the question was about decline and for me it works.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Doing it all year round is perfectly viable, so I don't know what you're doing besides talking out of your ass.

Decline works. No one said it doesn't. It's an exercise that puts the muscle under tension. Given proper nutrition and stimulus, the muscle will grow. Reiterating, once again, decline bench isn't superior to flat or incline. If anything, it's inferior.

 

[Excidium28]

...meanwhile back at the ranch ...

Excidium28, do you mind if i ask your stats, and inquire on your training routine?? (reps, sets, frequency?)
...you've got the build that I'm lifting to get - and i mean that in the MOST hetrosexual way possible

-Ryan

Right now im at 215 10% BF In my avatar im 208lbs 7% bf

I train
Day 1 Chest and Biceps
Day 2 Hams
Day 3 Back
Day 4 Shoulders and Tris
Day 5 Quads
Day 6 off
Day 7 off

I work out 5 days a week.

I try to get about 15 sets per body part.

 

[Excidium28]

On chest days, I just try to get about 15-17 sets, my reps go something like 8,8,6,6,4 or 6,5,4,3,10 for bench, afterwards I just do 3-8.

 

[BOOEY]

A picture won't solve or prove anything.

In this case, it may. I don't have a problem with people expressing different methods of training, etc. In fact I encourage it. My problem is with Tom in particular. Take a look at 90% of his posts. He has a pompous attitude that reaks of "I know all, if you're not doing what I am, you suck." Well, if he knows all, he must have SOMETHING to show for it. He doesn't have to be as big as needsize or as cut as satch, but if his method is the only viable option for any lifter, he must be having great gains .. right? In which case, he should not have a problem posting a pic. I don't see what the problem is.

There's a difference between expressing what you find works for you or what may be the best option in someone's particular circumstances and acting like a know-it-all jackass. Back it up with a pic Tom, come on, let's see how well you're training knowledge has worked for you. We're all waiting.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

"...let's see how well you're training knowledge..."

Hahaha I might be a pompous jackass, but man, you're just an idiot.

I never said it was the only viable option. This seems to be something you have trouble understanding. I stated what was optimal, and even said that other shit can work, it would just give subpar gains.