How many can gain on 250mg a week of SUS

[MadCow1]

I agree to a point.
Did you even read my post above? It's been my experience that most AS users only started after they had either reached their "natural potential" in weight training or were really close to reaching it. I'm certain that this group would gain a SUBSTANTIAL amount of strength/muscle on a minimum of 500mg / week first cycle as opposed to 250mg / week.

Did I "even" read your post above? - let's not be condecending as I frankly didn't agree and can do without the attitude if that is what you are implying.

Anyway...

Those who get close to their genetic limit naturally are a minority. Walk into any gym and see the majority of AS users are fools and have no clue on training. Without the drugs they wouldn't be any different than many of the other members. I've trained all over and even at the most serious gyms or those oriented specifically toward strength and not bodybuilding this is the case. I'd rather it wasn't so and I'd gladly join a gym that was the exception.

I do agree that if you are maxed out genetically that 500mg weekly is a better choice for a first cycle but ironically I've found it's these guys who want to keep the dosage extra low for just a little push as they are confident in their ability to be successful with even a slight edge.

 

[genarr3]

Did I "even" read your post above? - let's not be condecending as I frankly didn't agree and can do without the attitude if that is what you are implying.

Anyway...

Those who get close to their genetic limit naturally are a minority. Walk into any gym and see the majority of AS users are fools and have no clue on training. Without the drugs they wouldn't be any different than many of the other members. I've trained all over and even at the most serious gyms or those oriented specifically toward strength and not bodybuilding this is the case. I'd rather it wasn't so and I'd gladly join a gym that was the exception.

I do agree that if you are maxed out genetically that 500mg weekly is a better choice for a first cycle but ironically I've found it's these guys who want to keep the dosage extra low for just a little push as they are confident in their ability to be successful with even a slight edge.

I agree completely. I'll offer myself as an example of someone that had reached their genetic limit and then tried steroids.

I had weight trained for almost 10 years before I tried anything other then OTC stuff. My first cycle was 200mgs/week Deca. A "it will do nothing" dose around these parts, but I wasn't using the gear to do all the work for me, just to enhance what I had. If my memory serves me correct I put on 10lbs with that one, a great feat for someone that hadn't put on any significant weight in years. I still do low dose cycles, nowhere near the ridiculous amounts I see posted here.

 

[Swoleyoley]

sust is a very good first cycle drug to use by itself...if i could do it agian I would do 500mg /w. remember your first cycle is gonna be the one you get the best results out of if you do it right

 

[DocJ]

I'm not criticizing you all for low dose cycles but it is a FACT that you are all in the SMALL MINORITY when it comes to being able to gain even 10 lbs. of lean muscle on dosages that low. There isn't a single vet of the game on any board (other than maybe 2Thick) that would disagree with that statement.
btw-I'd be thrilled is I could gain on low doses...it would be cheaper

 

[RoNiN]

Yes , when I started my first real cycle was 250mgs of sust a week with 20mgs dbol , I gained a little over 10lbs...mostly water but over a few months of cycling on and off i did gain about 10-15 lbs solid weight.

Actually , during that year I prorgessed up to 500mgs of sust with 200mgs deca and by the end of the year I went from 178lbs - 211 lbs ( with some body fat and water weight).

That was 2 years ago...now I would say I need at least 600mgs test to progress moderatly.

 

[fallenangel]

Well i'm planning to start a cycle of 500mgs of sustanon soon andi'ma smaller guy (about 165ib) so i'm hopeful ishould see some good gains

 

[plow-horse]

250 a week may work well know that you will have to do everything right. (eat , train and SLEEP) Try # of days between 250 shots instead of how much per week.

Days between shots--------mg
first shot ---------------------250
7--------------------------------250
6--------------------------------250
6--------------------------------250
5--------------------------------250
5--------------------------------250
5--------------------------------250
6--------------------------------250
6--------------------------------250
7--------------------------------250
7--------------------------------250

total days 60 total mg 2750
Something like this should work well and keep in light.

 

[Raffaz]

First cycle i done was 250mg sust every 5 days for 8 weeks. I gained about 18lbs from it.

 

[DocJ]

Well i'm planning to start a cycle of 500mgs of sustanon soon andi'ma smaller guy (about 165ib) so i'm hopeful ishould see some good gains

You should....make sure that diet is A+, good luck!

 

[atticdog]

im about to start a sust cycle was thinking about 1 a week but prolly gonna do 1 on monday and 1 on thursday 10 weeks

this is my second cycle last was 30mg dbol ED 4 weeks and 400mg of brovel T200 underdosed prolly

im looking for 15-20 lbs id be happy with 15 i got real lean on my last cycle no bloat at all im not looing to get all huge in 1 cycle
im 6 foot 175 low fat