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Man..I thought raw oats were better?? Seriously, ill do anything to get rid of this bloat...i know many dudes that eat em raw, mater of fact, this nutrionlists reccomens it to people ho are nasuated, upset stomach, etc.soaks up the acid.
 
madcow - huge props to you for taking the time to post ALL of what you did ... good bro material right there ... Just know there are others out there that you are helping greatly ... thank you for that :rose:
 
JKurz1 said:
Man..I thought raw oats were better?? Seriously, ill do anything to get rid of this bloat...i know many dudes that eat em raw, mater of fact, this nutrionlists reccomens it to people ho are nasuated, upset stomach, etc.soaks up the acid.
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Some people don't have trouble with them, others do. I have raw (ground-up) oats in my shakes and cook them with water in other meals during the day without problems from either method. Cooking them is worth a shot for your bloat.

But again, you're returning to your comfort zone of obsessing about minutiae rather than dealing with bigger issues. Print out a bunch of copies of madcow's last post and tape them around your house, or whatever else will help you understand and remember what he said.
 
i am voting that i want you to win also.


and raw oats fuck me up. it makes me feel like ass and it hurts. so i bet it does the same thing to you.
 
What am I freaking out about??? I am trying to find the culprit of my stomach issues, that is a huge part of this whole program, not a minor detail. I enjoy maybe 1/4 cup raw a few times a day..sometimes I sprinkle them in my cooked oatmeal. It helps to get mor cals and less of a full feeling ,but if thats what it is, ill remove them tomorrow. Damn I had a great first meal today...he's cranked my cals again pb in oats.....heaven!

1.25 OATS
(1/4 RAW)
2 TB OF PEANUT BUTTER....how do you guys measure this seriously? I think I'm underestimating....is it a reg. spoon or a table spoon rounded or flat? Yes, I'm being picky here as I want to make sure to get ENOUGH rather thatn too few.......I also tossed in a handfull of almonds just to make sure I was getting enough

then I had a large whey and egg white shake, 3 whole eggs, and a large coffee....geeze, 40g of fat almost.....thats prob. more than I got all last week...lol....my new motto for all signatures "FUCK DA ABS, THEY ARENT WORTH IT"
 
thanks bro....it aint gonna be easy but it's gotta be done.....as long as I get strong, fuck it all.....one fear is the skinny fat syndrome...impossible with hardcore training, right?

Think my diet is solid? Too many cals too early? Just an inquiry......
 
Whats up with the pineapple? Anyone know why in the hell he would have me on a cup of pineapple vs. a banana?
 
blut wump said:
Maybe he doesn't like bananas. I'd never suggest pineapple to anyone but only because I'm not fond of the things.
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yeah...it sucks actually....he goes "Cause its good in oats...." mmmmm...maybe he's burned his taste buds but its rough.....all else look good? I was bitchn about the amt of cals and carbs after training up until bed and he said shut up. Then I said 40g of fat in the first meal isnt excessive? And he said well, we'll see...what r your thoughts>


uh, ya they are. I down my pro/carb meal 1hour before workout.

Good, pro/fat works well for you.

I personally don't see a point in hogging down 300+ g carbs in your PWO and PPWO meals combined.




this is what I got from another board.....quit reading their shit????? Its bunk, right? This truly is the only board I should be referring to....tell me your thoughts on these posts:



Stil dont like your PWO. Whats wrong with

PWO 40g whey 80g dextrose
PPWO brown rice and roughy

I would forget that sort of in between pwo/ppwo meal you got its pointless and will make you gain fat. If you are doing it on the say so of your PT bear in mind they know shit about bodybuilding and a lot about old grannies doing cardio. Stick with what is proven to work i say.
Keep up the hard work bro!!
 
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interesting....so this diet on point> Not too many cals pw and between bed? I know i know i should be eating 2x that about to get where I want to be, right?
 
Cynical Simian said:
Print out a bunch of copies of madcow's last post and tape them around your house, or whatever else will help you understand and remember what he said.
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Fuck man. That deserves some karma for being one of the funniest things I have ever read.
 
Dude, why don't you just follow what your trainer says to a t. That's what you are paying him for. No offense, buy you seem almost neurotic with all these questions you keep asking.
 
Trust me, I am following it to a tee...I just like to get the imput of people on here.....some very knowledgeable bros, and if there is qwuestion or concern raised, then I ask him about it....but give him the last say......My weight has stayed the same so I either need to reduce cardio or increase cals....here she is, please give me you honest opions...too many cals??

730 (60 CARBS, 40G PRO, 15G FAT)
OATS 1 CUP (IS THIS ONE CUP OR 1.25???)
1 TB OF PB
EGG WHITES 9
EGGS 1


10 (73 CARBS, 55 PRO)
OATS 1 CUP
CHX 6 OZ (cooked)
PINEAPPLE 1 CUP or LARGE BANANA?


1230-130 (60 CARBS, 50 PRO)
CHIKEN 60Z
YAM 10 OZ
HUGE SALAD!

PRE TRAIN (50G PRO, 18G FAT)
300-330 CASEIN 2 SCOOPS
PB 2TB

5:30 TRAIN

6:30:00 AM (25 PRO, 60G CARBS)
3 SERVINGS GATORADE
1 SCOOP PROTEIN
1 SERV. CREATINE, 1 SERV GLUTAMINE

700 (100G CARBS, 55 PRO)
CREAMERY RICE 3 SERV
WHEY 2.5 SCOOPS
OR
10 RICE CAKES
WHEY 2.5 SCOOPS


800 (80G CARBS, 50G PRO)
BROWN RICE 3 SERV
6OZ ROGUHY
ASPARAGUS 8

930 (28G FAT, 50G PRO)
PREBED
(CUBE STEAK) OR FLANK 8OZ
WHITES 4

9:45 BED!
 
not worried...its like a hobby for me....I just like to show off what we've constructed, get some solid advice, then utilize it to it's fullest....this wont change for awhile as long as you gys seal it......
 
BE for real bro....no more questions after today...honestly...I am going toput it to work..I know you dont like it because you feel I should quit maticulating and just friggn eat, which I will...Im just overcoming this pathetic disease and need to follow a patter at first....so be for real....too many cals to start off with will lead to fat gain which will lead to me stopping......so, if you thnk its good and aret just saying that to make me happy, I'm in......my only concern was too many cals to start, the fruit in the second meal serv any purpose, ANDNNDDND....is it too many cals between post training and bed.
 
JKurz1 said:
BE for real bro....no more questions after today...honestly...I am going toput it to work..I know you dont like it because you feel I should quit maticulating and just friggn eat, which I will...Im just overcoming this pathetic disease and need to follow a patter at first....so be for real....too many cals to start off with will lead to fat gain which will lead to me stopping......so, if you thnk its good and aret just saying that to make me happy, I'm in......my only concern was too many cals to start, the fruit in the second meal serv any purpose, ANDNNDDND....is it too many cals between post training and bed.
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I was being serious, man.....I DO think you overanalyze and overthink and overplan, but I also do understand your history a little bit. I really think the pwo meal cals are fine.......For me, I make it easier and I make the meals more appealing, but cals are cals, and if this is the way for you to ge tthem in, then I am all for it.......seriously, PWO your cals are not too high, they look good......and the rest of the night is fine, you're not trying to lose or even maintain weight, you need to gain, it is fine to eat a lot after working out all the way up until bed.
 
JKurz1 said:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501957
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your not trying to gain lean mass your trying to gain mass and body fat,you can lose the fat later deiting down 12 weeks before the show.

ask any bodybuilder when they first started they all gained a little fat along with the bulk of muscle usually the first 3-5 years is the mass part of bodybuilding .

when your body fat is to low your body burns muscle for energy and thats not the best shape to be in if you want to build massive muscle.
from your diet i have seen in the last few pages i doubt your eating 5,000 calories a day that would be around 850 calories 6 times a day.If you were eating 5k a day then you prob dont even need the cheat meals.

good luck
 
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