How does this happen?

[Cynical Simian]

Great stuff, everybody. I put in another vote for professional help if the advice here doesn't help (which, based on your last post, it looks like you're committed to doing).

I'm not sure what your history is before the 4-year period you outlined, but if your fear of fat gain is based on a prior period of being overweight, you just have to realize things are completely different now. You're not like the average lazy guy who accidentally glances at a gym once or twice per year, throws down fast/junk food, soda/alcohol, etc. on a daily basis and doesn't even have the basic understanding of nutrition/physiology to understand why he's fat or what he could do about it.

Especially being anal about your diet, you're in complete control (or would be if you could overcome your mental obstacles). When you eat above maintenance and gain a bit of fat (look at it as a necessary side-effect of gaining muscle, not as "getting fat"), you'll know exactly what you need to get rid of it while still retaining most of that muscle.

 

[JKurz1]

k.......

 

[BiggT]

Jkurz, I'm serious man, start a training journal and for diet, just think PRACTICAL. I think you're seriously concerned about yourself and would also seriously like to accomplish some lifting goals, most trolls don't send K messages, they post polls, start topics unrelated to themselves, you seem to have a genuine, albeit neurotic concern for yourself, and you just don't fit the bill of a board troll. I actually think you're seriously asking a question, so I'd like to help and get others to help you out too.

You get flamed a lot, and I have probably been guilty of throwing one or two out at ya myself, but people just get frustrated giving advice, then a week later you're asking the same question. I really do think there is an underlying issue here, your concerns are at a level that just isn't normal and there is always an underlying issue for the abnormal (not something different or unique or even eccentric, but I am talking just plain abnormal and alarming), but if you seriously want to work through it then you can certainly overcome it, this is do-able if you want it to be. I also am serious when I say I don't think you're a troll or spammer after giving it much thought. So, I really would like to help you if you're serious. We could try to slap that 60lbs back on you, and you know what? At 6'2 you'll STILL be lean at 220, so no worries.

 

[Protobuilder]

When I started, I obsessed about the details. I don’t anymore and I feel a lot better about the whole thing, more well-rounded, etc. In the end, you spend a LOT of time/stress/energy focusing on stuff that AT THE MOST makes up 5% of your results. It’s not worth it. Follow BiggT’s advice. Start letting go of the details and the micro-managing and start looking at the big, long term picture. The body is in constant flux. If you strip down and examine your physique in the mirror and weigh yourself every hour, you will see changes. If you freak when the scale moves up on Wed. but then down on Thurs (the horror!! I’m shrinking!!), you’ll make drastic changes before you’ve really let it all play out. The day-to-day highs and lows are LESS important than where you wind up in, say, the next 6 months, or the next year or two.

Get your calories up, slowly but surely. Don’t dive into 5000/day if you’re now eating only 2,000. Just slowly build up the calories and keep training (after a few weeks OFF, relaxing and NOT thinking about weights/training/bodyweight/abs).

 

[JKurz1]

You guys are all right...not sure where Bigt lost us, but something about board trolls just didnt foot the bill...what in the world were u talking about? I guess I dont know the board lingo yet....anywho, I will bet this and thnx to you guys for the words....when to the chinese buffet tonight and ate my ass off....I know it's no tthte answer, its not the way to go about it, but I'm gonna crank my friggn cals one wa or another,,,,toorrow is cracker barrel and ponderosa....maybe Johnies Pizza!

 

[JKurz1]

thnx for all the help!

 

[Cynical Simian]

Why don't you lay out your plan for us in a bit more detail? You could almost certainly use the mental break from obsessing about your diet, but as a long-term plan getting most of your cals by stuffing yourself at restaurants is a great way to gain more fat than you want and start the cycle over again. And, speaking of cycles, you haven't answered SS's question.

 

[s8nlilhlpr]

You guys are all right...not sure where Bigt lost us, but something about board trolls just didnt foot the bill...what in the world were u talking about? I guess I dont know the board lingo yet....anywho, I will bet this and thnx to you guys for the words....when to the chinese buffet tonight and ate my ass off....I know it's no tthte answer, its not the way to go about it, but I'm gonna crank my friggn cals one wa or another,,,,toorrow is cracker barrel and ponderosa....maybe Johnies Pizza!

The "board trolls" post similar messages to yours about every month or so. "How do I raise my bench" "How can I gain 60lbs this summer" "How can I get a 6pack for the beach". Its the same questions, from different people, who are too stupid to read the forum first, and it pisses the older members off who have to sift through that crap to find a decent post.

GOOD work at the chinese buffet! KEEP eating. People DO NOT GET FAT overnight. This is why fat people piss me off, 'cause obviously you can see it happening in the mirror, and it takes years of consistent eating to get that fat. at 6'2" 160lbs you would need to gain at least 30-40 lbs of pure fat to "look fat". so until you are around 200lbs and sitting on the couch...don't worry.

 

[BiggT]

JK,

I meant people flame you and don't take your posts serious because they think you're just fucking around......after giving it some thought, I really feel you're being honest and looking for help/support.

The Chinese Buffet is a great way to celebrate your 'new attitude', but moderation is key and one extreme is just as bad as the one on the other end of the spectrum.

And I agree, what are your thoughts for a workout plan when you come back.

 

[JKurz1]

JK,

I meant people flame you and don't take your posts serious because they think you're just fucking around......after giving it some thought, I really feel you're being honest and looking for help/support.

The Chinese Buffet is a great way to celebrate your 'new attitude', but moderation is key and one extreme is just as bad as the one on the other end of the spectrum.

And I agree, what are your thoughts for a workout plan when you come back.

I just hired a pro trainer from Cleveland....had to do it, he's also a nutrionilist and understands where my current thoughts are and why they are so fluttered,,,30 day trail, and if it doesnt work, we both agreed not only would there be no fee, but he would introduce me to a reputable counsuler......my goals are to compete in a show in 15+ months......I know it sounds crazy, but it's my goal. I've seen the local dudes on stage, and have yet to be impressed. He is orchestrated a diet, to which I will have this afternoon....calories will be around 4,000 (almost double) and carbs will be the focus early in the day and around workouts with fats on off days and in the later part of the day. Cardio will be completely nixed at first, with a 2-aday training type so that I can still get in my prework fix as I sit all day. I will follow this to a tee and already caught myself asking questions and I like his attitude. For example, I asked what is meal #1, here's the conversation:

it's 3/4 cup oats, 12 egg whites, 2tbs of honey
HONEY???? Why would I want honey?????
Hey, its a good carb source for the am, plus its extra cals, + it gets you away from those damn sf products!
ummmm.....
If you wwant, you can sub in a banana or 1 cup strawberries.......but I wish you'd just listen to m....
say no more, you are right.....I will follow your lead.....


this dude take no shit, he wants me at the store today:
oats
peanut butter
almonds
cottage cheese
lean beef
chicken
round steak
salmon
brown rice
casein powder
whey
whole wheat pasta
and olive oil...........


I get a cheat day every Sunday (or whenever....) Geezus! havent had a cheat food in YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!