How does this happen?

[Island Son]

give up. This is a 5-page slow-motion car wreck.

He even knows better than his trainer. jkurz why don't you fire the poor guy? You have a nutritionist and you're ignoring his diet advice! And making him work for free! That AIN'T RIGHT, give him up and let him work with people who can use him. Does he even know you're on AS so he can modify his recommendations?

It's one thing for a newbie not to know what to do, it's another to say "this is right but" and then argue for and do the wrong. Dieting while on gear... rightHow's he gonna make progress on gear while dieting?

You guys want to save 'em all but he keeps jumping back in!

The next steps are synthol, surgery and implants.

 

[BiggT]

JK....eat whatever you like or have a craving for. I eat a cheat meal several times a day, lol, so I'm not the best to ask......but don't make a box of bars, too close to supplements/health food.....go out for some Mexican or Chinese or Italian, maybe a pizza, and some dessert.

 

[Madcow2]

CANT TELL IF THIS WAS SERIOUS OR ANOTHER SLAM...SOUNDS LIKE you are for real, and I realize that...it is extremely importatnt....just need some guidance.....

I have always been for real and I have always been interested in helping you and trying to do so. When I see someone wrecking themselves, asking for help and finding convenient mental mechanations to avoid it or rationalize otherwise and continue in folly it just fucking kills me and I'd rather not look at it. Sort of like watching a long-time alcoholic fall off the 3 day wagon and being forced to listen to his rationalization of why a drink will do him good and then see him suck it down repeatedly in slow motion again and again.

It is extremely important that you do the cheat meals - don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. You have an eating disorder and your mental/internal dialoge plays games with you convincing you to do or not to do things i.e. the world trade center movie, oh no not today only 1 meal left before bed. You haven't done a single cheat meal yet - NOT ONE and all you have are reasons and excuses for not doing it. Fuck the weight training, fuck the diet, fuck all the damn advice in the world - do one thing - just eat as planned and do not listen to the voice in your head or play rationalization games. If you are going to rationalize anything it had better be in the direction of more cheating or more food - never less.

I honestly think you should go out right now and eat, I don't care if bedtime is in 10 minutes or 2 hours ago. Go buy 2 double quarter pounders, a large chocolate shake and suck them down. Get the damn cheat meal in, do not cave for an excuse, they will be unending and every single time you cave it gets stronger.

What I am saying is that you do not realize it but your mind is running you, you are not running your mind. You mind is convincing you of your desire but really the mind is artificial and made by fear, habit and anxiety. You are alseep in the car while your retarded GPS is taking you to a cliff, you see the 'Road Closed' and Danger Ahead signs but you keep buying into it's excuses that it's only a shortcut and you'll be back on the main road anytime. You will do anything to fool yourself and the only way out is to just do it. Wake up, grab the wheel, stop the car, get in the driver's seat and get back on the road. No matter how much rationalization and mental bullshit follows, just do it. Write down your cheat meals and make absolutely sure you get them - do whatever it takes but do not just sit there sleeping while you allow yourself to be driven off a cliff.

Note the pattern - zero cheat meals and all excuses. Stop it now, can you not see it's a trap. No matter what you mind says, go and eat. No matter what comes up, go and eat. No matter how you feel afterward, go and eat again when it's time. Do not fall for the mind's bullshit and get involved with your internal dialoge no less let it run you. Wake up.

 

[alex2678]

Shit, I've gone out to eat by myself for a cheat meal. Who cares. Pick a seat at the bar (or a table), watch the game and order whatever the hell you want. 24 oz. porterhouse, side of ribs and a baked potato. Then on your way back stop by a local diner and order a big stack of pancakes and an omelette with whole eggs and cheese. Go home, relax and raid the fridge again in a few hours. You don't have to do this with anyone but yourself. Join a book club if you want company. Good luck again.

 

[JKurz1]

give up. This is a 5-page slow-motion car wreck.

He even knows better than his trainer. jkurz why don't you fire the poor guy? You have a nutritionist and you're ignoring his diet advice! And making him work for free! That AIN'T RIGHT, give him up and let him work with people who can use him. Does he even know you're on AS so he can modify his recommendations?

It's one thing for a newbie not to know what to do, it's another to say "this is right but" and then argue for and do the wrong. Dieting while on gear... rightHow's he gonna make progress on gear while dieting?

You guys want to save 'em all but he keeps jumping back in!

The next steps are synthol, surgery and implants.

FUCK OFF...HONESTLY....YOU are the only one I can't stand and still slams me even though I have made great strides in my eyes (and in a few others) I am sticking to the diet to a friggn tee...it aint easy going from 2000 cals to 5000 cals, but I am managing. The only thing I have neglected is the cheat meals........they will come....settle yourself


bigt - you are a great bro...youve help me in a million ways. I wil get it down, just need to muster up a good craving...its amazing when you are strict for so long, nothing really is craving...I do have a monster sgar tooth...so thos choc chip rice cakes have been incred. I'll do ia gre blizzards, some reeces, something good....I'd love to kick back with even a huge huge bowl of oats, a few candy bars, some melted in my oats and a jar of pb....I jus dont want too much damage, but I'll get er done. Trust me...

as for the gear, it has helped already...keep in mind its a tiny tiny dose, but its helping me mentally if othing else...plus it allows me to eat more and utilize more or all the cals for muscle building!!!


If I could just beat this swollen pelvic region/bloatedness, I'd be money///tat makes it hard to eat and eat a ton. It just feels like Im sitting on a balllon...dig enzymes arent helping too much. I need to ditch the sf syrups. Today I cut em in half, and I still feel it....back pressure and stomach pressiure. Tomorrow I'll cut in half again and then Ill nix it completely!

 

[fortunatesun]

Dedication doesn't end in the gym. The entire battery of people you've put your trust in have given you the same advice. You don't wait for the craving, it doesn't work that way. It's more like boot camp. You've got accomplish X amount in a given period of time no matter what . If you can't make the commitment to follow through you're just kidding yourself about the rest of it.
Time to make peace with your maker and yell Geronimo on the way out.

 

[BiggT]

Well, JK, what did you eat tonight?? I know the feeling with killed cravings....usually after 2 weeks of dieting cravings are gone, I can't imagine 3 years.....it'll all come back though, man.

 

[Tweakle]

open phone book, find 'pizza' section, order large meat lovers with extra sauce and devour while watching spike TV. Follow with a pint of ice cream and some brownies. Enjoy the Bench Bloat the next day as you put up an extra 10lbs because of all the water you're holding.

 

[Tweakle]

p.s. if you're not cooking those oats you eat, that's why your belly feels like you're 6 months pregnant. Cook them down as much as possible to minimise oat bloat

 

[Madcow2]

I wil get it down, just need to muster up a good craving

This is exactly what I'm talking about above. Food is an insidious mental addiction because we absolutely must eat frequently so it cannot be cut out of our lives or removed. It's like a heroine addict waiting for a good day to check into rehab. Today is a good day, right now. It doesn't need to be perfect or some odd alignment of the stars, it needs to be done and the only thing preventing it is you.

I jus dont want too much damage, but I'll get er done. Trust me...

You are 0 for 6 with a long term track record that blows ass, you tend not to see clearly, find excuses or alternatives, and dismiss what you don't want to hear - this is classic addiction with flashing neon signs. Where would you put your money? Despite the fact that any sane betting man would put his cash against you, everyone here and on the planet wants you to win. You must turn and fight, do not run, do not settle for a little bit of progress and then backslide as you lower your guard over time. You must not stay down. You may take some shots and get knocked down but you must always get up and fight again - hitting it back with fury twice as hard.

Wake up. It not just a victory for you or just a food thing - this is the human condition in one form or another for everyone. Everyone has tied themselves up with their mind and has to fight a battle to break free or even catch a moment of clarity to see the situation (it is not an accident that near death experience changes people), most will fail or realize it too late. When you win, it's a victory for everyone. You don't like it when Island Son or Anthrax Invastion/Tom T talk shit to you? Well they are right until you prove them wrong and they want you to win too, they just don't believe you will. But I do, I think you will win and you are ready.

You posted this stuff here for a reason. You wanted help - you are seeing what is going on. You are your only obstacle to winning. You can start winning right now, go eat your cheat meal. Victory is in the moment, it is here and now. It is not later or tomorrow or when it won't "do too much damage" or when it's too close to bed time or when you have a craving. This is the battle and those are the tactics thrown out by your enemy and they will only keep you down while getting you to delay and push it off. You have to make your stand in the moment. There is no tomorrow or 'later' or 'better time'. It is now, you must make your stand in the now and act deliberately in the present without attachment or weakness or mental mechanations. Real simple, wake up now and be a fighter or continue sleeping while someone else is driving in a direction that is pure folly, there is no half way or baby steps or good enough. Every ounce of your being will have to turn and fight with everything you have. When you knock it down some, you must not let up or lower your guard. Wake up and fight. My sincerest wishes with you.