how come native americans don't bitch as much as blacks do?

[Lao Tzu]

Have I flown off the handle once?....Nope.

Have I even commented or disputed when the first instance of bio-warfare was?....Nope.

You brought up rats and fleas, and compared that to someone deliberately choosing to give people small pox.

Native Americans had very few tribes that were actually interested in war. Never said they didn't, as a matter of fact, it never came up. And what the hell does that have to do with me saying that Natives Americans are not doing as bad as so many would think.....In the year 2006?

Never said you yourself went off the handle, sorry if that was the implication that was assumed.

Point is that biowarfare is not uncommon. My ancestors experienced it and so did yours. And your example of infected blankets only covers some of the illness transmission, much of it was still accidental. That is no differnet than what the Mongols did to my ancestors but I do not get mad whenever a Mongol says white people are fat or bad at dancing. I haven't killed anyone or been killed by anyone personally.

I don't get your last point. Several of the Indians are talking about how bad their ancestors had it, but who didn't have it bad back then? What makes your people so different that it actually matters more than what has happened to anyone else? My ancestors experienced germ warfare, slavery, oppression, backwardness, torture, etc. So did virtually everyone elses. That was life back then.

 

[gotmojo]

Never said you yourself went off the handle, sorry if that was the implication that was assumed.

Point is that biowarfare is not uncommon. My ancestors experienced it and so did yours. And your example of infected blankets only covers some of the illness transmission, much of it was still accidental. That is no differnet than what the Mongols did to my ancestors but I do not get mad whenever a Mongol says white people are fat or bad at dancing. I haven't killed anyone or been killed by anyone personally.

I don't get your last point. Several of the Indians are talking about how bad their ancestors had it, but who didn't have it bad back then? What makes your people so different that it actually matters more than what has happened to anyone else? My ancestors experienced germ warfare, slavery, oppression, backwardness, torture, etc. So did virtually everyone elses. That was life back then.

Yes they are and so was I, but that was never the point. The only point that I was ever really making was that they are NOT ALL drunks and NOT ALL reservations are poverty holes, as a matter of FACT, the numbers are almost quite the opposite, to the good. Because people just wanted to throw it in there in the sense that they know a few out of millions so it MUST be true for all, or they read something somewhere so that must be total fact, or they just pulled something out of their butts. Others went the route of ancestors initially, and took the thread off track. What makes you think I believe my ancestors are different? I don't think it matters for mine more at all. Even more so, I never even once implied such a rude statement. I just happen to know first hand what my family and other families went through. And basically the state of the union now, which gives me every right in the world to comment on it in fact. I would never dream of commenting on your personal situation or that of your ancestors because I will admit that I don't know dick about you or them, and I refuse to make a BS assumption.

Now getting to this..."That is no differnet than what the Mongols did to my ancestors but I do not get mad whenever a Mongol says white people are fat or bad at dancing. I haven't killed anyone or been killed by anyone personally."....No different at all really, but I never once got mad.....You see, statements flew saying ALL, get it? ALL Natives are drunks, ALL reservations are shit holes, ALL live off the GOV, etc...And that offended me, big difference there. Especially when I saw it come from people I thought I was cool with, that is I guess until they found out I was Native American. Also a huge diff between weight and dance ability compared to implying Natives are a useless and failed race. Again what makes you think I was ever mad? But as a human being there is really no fault or shame in being offended, especially when people think they have you or your situation down cold, when in all actuality they haven't the first clue. Not to mention the fact that what was said and how it was said was aimed DIRECTLY at my entire race without question, and that my friend, makes each and everyone of those comments aimed DIRECTLY at me and my family.

 

[jestro]

I didn't read this whole rambling thread, but I'll throw in a couple of things.
I used to live in Albuquerque, there's a fairly high % of Indians that live in NM. I had a friend who I went hunting on the res with, I got to see a some things. Tribes/pueblos with casinos, are doing pretty well. Tribes/pueblos without, dirt ass third world poor.

In college I took an art class on Indian/aborigonial/european caveman art. Very cool class, I love that stuff. Towards the end of the semester the teacher had a another teacher that was also Indian come give us a talk. He pretty much ripped us for 30 minutes. He was very bitter. I can't really remember the specific things he said, but basicaly made us feel like pampered white people who were slumming to learn about the savages.

 

[Frisky]

K to GotMojo ...

 

[jackangel]

wait just a fucking minute. is someone saying that white people are actually not the devil? crazy talk alert.

 

[Y_lifter]

Oh, we bitch...

You just don't hear us either due to my people being stuck way the hell out in the wilderness or the loud noises coming from all the slot machines

 

[Yarg!]

probably because they get more gov't assistance (here in canada anyways) and they actually remember their roots. they can actually go totheir elders and learn about their past thru their stories and experience the rituals/dances , the art/crafts of their ancestors on a daily basis. ask how many black ppl know about their roots- as in african roots? what their ancestors did/celebrated special occasions, their myths and legends, food, and customs from africa. probably very little know about it.. why? because they white ppl seperated them from all of this by stuffing them into tiny little ships and bringing them across the world, thus; fucking up their entire family tree, heritage and culture forever. bravo.

 

[gotmojo]

wait just a fucking minute. is someone saying that white people are actually not the devil? crazy talk alert.

 

[gotmojo]

Oh, we bitch...

You just don't hear us either due to my people being stuck way the hell out in the wilderness or the loud noises coming from all the slot machines

LOL!

 

[jackangel]

gosh, our corporate intranet is blocking that image site. damn oppresive cunts.