holy lord-vernon davis!!

[timtim]

Yes and it takes thousands of years to improve on genetics not 40. The performance of athletes today is not the result of improved genetics and evolution plain and simple.

If anyone has actually watched football game film from the 60's or 70's you would swear that the film was being played in fast motion. Perception has led us to believe that athletes and teams of today are vastly superior to athletes and teams from years ago. It isn't exactly so. Given the opportunity to train, eat, and possible juice as todays athletes do, I think you would find that they match up equally and maybe in some cases the elite athletes of years ago would even be better than some of todays athletes.

We're getting on a slippery slope here with the race issue. Thin ice was crossed long ago however.

i agree with alot of what you said but there is no way the game of football from the 60's and 70's is as fast or near as fast as today. no way, no how. i trained combine guys when i was a speed/strength coach and the numbers from 20 years ago dont match those of today. the guys are simply bigger, stronger, and faster at every position. lineman of today could be linebackers 40 years ago. ive seen 300 lbs men run 5.0 40's. today is head and shoulders above the past.

but the whole breeding and genetic component is bullshit. though smaller calves do allow for faster running and higher jumping.

 

[roadwarrior]

how many black pro athletes eat like crap, look like monsters?

Genetics homey....

I used to work out in a mostly black gym in Newark and i used to joke w/ them about how they could eat fried chicken all day and still look better than me with the cleanest diet and all the juice in the world.

strongest physical slaves were bred with each other.

that's why there are so many tall/jacked black dudes.

of course, plenty of black people have terrible genetics and get fat like nothing else...but as a whole, their physical genetics are unmatched.

How many scandanavians are built like mountains? Is that the Viking genetics?

Seriously though, the predominance of black pro athletes would lead one to think that there might be some genetic pre-disposition to superior athletic skills. Or it's all that time skipping educations and playing ball. ( I know... racist comment for a bad joke.) Though they do get dealt a bad hand when it comes to hypertension and other problems.

 

[roadwarrior]

How many scandanavians are built like mountains? Is that the Viking genetics?

Seriously though, the predominance of black pro athletes would lead one to think that there might be some genetic pre-disposition to superior athletic skills. Or it's all that time skipping educations and playing ball. ( I know... racist comment for a bad joke.) Though they do get dealt a bad hand when it comes to hypertension and other problems.

To Samoth's good and valid points ,without jokes... he makes excellent points re: all human race with lots of interbreeding esp. African Americans vs Africans. How much of the observations that we make... blacks = better athlete, asians = smarter etc etc etc - no offense to anyone... are due to a combination of nurture vs. nature i.e. environmental effects and how much are just stereotypes? No easy answer but one must consider all aspects before one draws a conclusion.

S

 

[perryscoon]

Anyone who hasn't noticed totally ripped black guys that don't even work out is living in Alaska. There is no doubt that their genetics are different than ours. I think the simple fact that they dominate professional sports removes all doubt.

And don't bring up the stupid, "what about water polo and ice hockey" argument. Because they don't even play those sports so its silly to include them.

 

[st8grad]

i agree with alot of what you said but there is no way the game of football from the 60's and 70's is as fast or near as fast as today. no way, no how. i trained combine guys when i was a speed/strength coach and the numbers from 20 years ago dont match those of today. the guys are simply bigger, stronger, and faster at every position. lineman of today could be linebackers 40 years ago. ive seen 300 lbs men run 5.0 40's. today is head and shoulders above the past.

but the whole breeding and genetic component is bullshit. though smaller calves do allow for faster running and higher jumping.

I wish I could find some historical records on 40 times. I agree with the players being bigger and also faster at that given size, but it is all relative. The 200 pound LB's played with 250 pound lineman etc.

If you can show me a natural 300 pounder that runs a 4.9 then we can come together on this.

But let's say OJ Simpson, Dick Butkus, Bubba Smith and whoever, given today's training, nutrition, gear and opportunity to play against today's competition, would be just as good as Tomlinson, Urlacher, Julius Peppers, etc.

 

[Ezekiel]

Anyone who hasn't noticed totally ripped black guys that don't even work out is living in Alaska. There is no doubt that their genetics are different than ours. I think the simple fact that they dominate professional sports removes all doubt.

And don't bring up the stupid, "what about water polo and ice hockey" argument. Because they don't even play those sports so its silly to include them.

Uhmm.. it was a joke

Perhaps your genetics predispose you to a bad sense of understanding humour! (that was a joke too).

 

[holy ghost]

yes we are naturally beter than all yall

just kidding lmao

 

[st8grad]

Anyone who hasn't noticed totally ripped black guys that don't even work out is living in Alaska. There is no doubt that their genetics are different than ours. I think the simple fact that they dominate professional sports removes all doubt.

And don't bring up the stupid, "what about water polo and ice hockey" argument. Because they don't even play those sports so its silly to include them.

I'm gonna dig a hole for myself with this but....

Given the above logic then the simple fact that white people dominate the premier positions in corporate america removes all doubt that they are smarter and better equipped to handle those jobs...and coaching of said sports. Right?

I am sure they are other factors than genetics involved with the "white corporate america" example. There must be other factors than genetics for black athletes as well.

Although it is pretty clear that black athletes dominate most pro, college, and some olympic sports. I think the answer why is much more complex than genetics.

 

[digimon7068]

that ain't 4%. . .

 

[perryscoon]

I'm gonna dig a hole for myself with this but....

Given the above logic then the simple fact that white people dominate the premier positions in corporate america removes all doubt that they are smarter and better equipped to handle those jobs...and coaching of said sports. Right?

I am sure they are other factors than genetics involved with the "white corporate america" example. There must be other factors than genetics for black athletes as well.

Although it is pretty clear that black athletes dominate most pro, college, and some olympic sports. I think the answer why is much more complex than genetics.

Ya, there might be other reasons they dominate sports but I think its safe to say thats the biggest reason. But of course ALL blacks aren't genetic wonders. They have fat slobs like any other race.