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HGH Injection timing - Plunkey get in here
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At least you said crocs and not vibrams!
mrplunkey
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So it's the end of teh <dirt> road for me?
wimminz >> peeners
It's just the way the world works.
PICK3
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Understood since you're str9.6 and all
just didn't see that cuming
Can I still use you as a reference?
So is IGF-1 still on the market? How would coadministration of IGF and GH affect the body? One alone versus the other alone?
;cow:
mrplunkey
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I've never understood or used IGF-1 directly. My only experience is watching IGF-1 levels fluctuate with varying doses of HGH.
redsamurai
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redsamurai
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on the bright side your b-hole now has a chance to recover from the constant prolapse you've subjected it to over the past few years. Now it's Cali's turn.
redsamurai
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It's not hard, IGF is what gets made when the HGH passes through the liver. IGF is what's most important to bodybuilders as it has more affinity to muscle and connective tissues. HGH is the parent hormone that is better for general overall health whereas IGF is what weightlifters and athletes are most concerned with.
redsamurai
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all our bullshit aside this was an "awesome" response and something that I'd like to follow up with you on again at some point if we can call a truce every now and then. Someone who has 9 years of blood work from HGH supplementation is someone I'd like to speak about this with.
redsamurai
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ok so I completely understand your point about hgh levels being a moving target, I've known that and that's why it's hard to test for GH use in sports cause you basically have to catch it within 20-30 minutes of secretion because it's pulsatile and random.
So first let me explain the math I did earlier, I may be wrong I acknowledge this. But when I researched average GH levels in normal humans I found that "generally" they say 20 year olds make about 500 micrograms a day and by 40 we're making 200-250. So I put myself at 400 micrograms because I've been lifting at 90%+ intensity since I was 20 and that's where they say lifters make the most GH..when they're operating as close to their 1 rep max as possible. I also read that 1mg of GH equals about 2-3 Iu's. This is where I may be off I don't know, it's kind of nebulous from what I've read on the internet. So again, I may be introducing a lot of errors.
Now, the fasting study. The researchers made the statement that detecting accurate GH levels in people is very difficult because of what we talked about before. But detecting GH levels in fasting people is "easy"...because at about the 12 hour mark the body goes into continuous production. So their top end of the study was 2000% more GH production over average baseline. So I took 400 micrograms and multiplied it by 2000%. That's a lot of fucking GH, more than any sane person would want to inject synthetically. But this is also biological compatible GH, obviously, so it isn't going to make one of your organs randomly grow an extra wing because that GH is being metabolized for specific purpose's. The reason I'm fairly confident that I'm "at least" at that 2000% mark is because I'm also weightlifting in the fasted state. That took some getting used to no question, I'm still adapting to it. So if they saw 2000% increases at the top level in their subjects who weren't doing "any" strenuous physical activity....I've got to be "at least" at 2000%.
This is where I"d like to compare notes with you. Prior to starting this diet I had "ridiculous" joint problems with my shoulders and my back. You remember me talking about my back, you've trolled me on more than one occasion about it. But honest to god swear on the Spellwin himself my back hasn't even tweaked since I started this, it's been at least 6 months now, maybe more. There wasn't a single upperbody wkt during the week where I wouldn't walk out of the gym with an ice bag on one of my shoulders. It was just ritual. Went on for easily 2 years. The back would also tweak with regularity, sometimes really badly where I could barely move for a day or two. All of this was just systemic inflammation. It got "slightly" better when I went to the vegetarian diet but it didn't go away. I've known for awhile now that when I fasted shit healed quicker. But I never contemplated working out in the fasted state. So you've been doing this synthetically for 9 years, what is the difference in recovery and joint issues?
Even though I'm done with roids, GH supplementation is still something I'd consider in the future even though I appear to be fine on that front. It may be beneficial to do a couple months out of the year to give your pituitary a break, I don't know. I think that because I read a study that said low dose testosterone therapy actually makes your natural levels come back hard afterward. They did a study on some older men...lot older than you actually. For one night only I'll admit you're in your mid 40's. These guys were all in their 50's if I remember correctly and their natural T levels came back virtually to that of 20 year olds because the supplementation allowed their hpt axis to take a breather.
I hope you read this and don't dismiss it outright just cause it came from me. There's some significant studies on caloric restriction and/or timing that are fascinating to me and this isn't some hippy bullshit that you like to paint me with. The body does some fascinating shit when fasting like completely shutting testosterone down and making growth hormone, norpenipherine, insulin, adrenaline..stuff like that. The reason is because it's priming us for war, or hunting whatever. Basically physical combat. Than after we have that meal, those chemicals get shut down and we make massive amounts of testosterone. I don't care what anybody say's that's fascinating as fuck to me. All those hormones that keep us young and strong are made when we're not eating. Testosterone is basically just the fuck hormone, nothing more....there to give us the urge to procreate.
So first let me explain the math I did earlier, I may be wrong I acknowledge this. But when I researched average GH levels in normal humans I found that "generally" they say 20 year olds make about 500 micrograms a day and by 40 we're making 200-250. So I put myself at 400 micrograms because I've been lifting at 90%+ intensity since I was 20 and that's where they say lifters make the most GH..when they're operating as close to their 1 rep max as possible. I also read that 1mg of GH equals about 2-3 Iu's. This is where I may be off I don't know, it's kind of nebulous from what I've read on the internet. So again, I may be introducing a lot of errors.
Now, the fasting study. The researchers made the statement that detecting accurate GH levels in people is very difficult because of what we talked about before. But detecting GH levels in fasting people is "easy"...because at about the 12 hour mark the body goes into continuous production. So their top end of the study was 2000% more GH production over average baseline. So I took 400 micrograms and multiplied it by 2000%. That's a lot of fucking GH, more than any sane person would want to inject synthetically. But this is also biological compatible GH, obviously, so it isn't going to make one of your organs randomly grow an extra wing because that GH is being metabolized for specific purpose's. The reason I'm fairly confident that I'm "at least" at that 2000% mark is because I'm also weightlifting in the fasted state. That took some getting used to no question, I'm still adapting to it. So if they saw 2000% increases at the top level in their subjects who weren't doing "any" strenuous physical activity....I've got to be "at least" at 2000%.
This is where I"d like to compare notes with you. Prior to starting this diet I had "ridiculous" joint problems with my shoulders and my back. You remember me talking about my back, you've trolled me on more than one occasion about it. But honest to god swear on the Spellwin himself my back hasn't even tweaked since I started this, it's been at least 6 months now, maybe more. There wasn't a single upperbody wkt during the week where I wouldn't walk out of the gym with an ice bag on one of my shoulders. It was just ritual. Went on for easily 2 years. The back would also tweak with regularity, sometimes really badly where I could barely move for a day or two. All of this was just systemic inflammation. It got "slightly" better when I went to the vegetarian diet but it didn't go away. I've known for awhile now that when I fasted shit healed quicker. But I never contemplated working out in the fasted state. So you've been doing this synthetically for 9 years, what is the difference in recovery and joint issues?
Even though I'm done with roids, GH supplementation is still something I'd consider in the future even though I appear to be fine on that front. It may be beneficial to do a couple months out of the year to give your pituitary a break, I don't know. I think that because I read a study that said low dose testosterone therapy actually makes your natural levels come back hard afterward. They did a study on some older men...lot older than you actually. For one night only I'll admit you're in your mid 40's. These guys were all in their 50's if I remember correctly and their natural T levels came back virtually to that of 20 year olds because the supplementation allowed their hpt axis to take a breather.
I hope you read this and don't dismiss it outright just cause it came from me. There's some significant studies on caloric restriction and/or timing that are fascinating to me and this isn't some hippy bullshit that you like to paint me with. The body does some fascinating shit when fasting like completely shutting testosterone down and making growth hormone, norpenipherine, insulin, adrenaline..stuff like that. The reason is because it's priming us for war, or hunting whatever. Basically physical combat. Than after we have that meal, those chemicals get shut down and we make massive amounts of testosterone. I don't care what anybody say's that's fascinating as fuck to me. All those hormones that keep us young and strong are made when we're not eating. Testosterone is basically just the fuck hormone, nothing more....there to give us the urge to procreate.
