Hello Pro-Choice!!

[velvett]

Groups will fight to protect and advance any program which benefits them directly. Because a group advocates a policy, tells nothing of the validity and morality of the policy. Because whites advocated slavery, did not mean that it was "good", only beneficial to the group. Thus, females will be the most favorable to abortion, since it benefits them directly.

So what then exactly are you standing up for as it pertains to the end of the male involvement in fertilizing an egg.

Why - in simple terms - non logical but raw emotional as Matt likes refer to, are you apposed to abortion?

You have yet to answer this and since you admit that abortion has everything to do with a woman why should a man care what should choose to do? Is that not equally as selfish as the woman desires?

Is it the need to see all their sperm become a mini me, is it to control women, what is it exactly that men have to gain by eliminating abortion which as you said benefits the woman.

Do all abortions not at all benefit the man?

Do women purposely have abortions to punish the man?

Is that to say not a single abortion happened because it was a convenient option to a MAN as well as women?

 

[curling]

If you'd actually read the thread you'd see we have. Matt & I covered this one.
I wouldn't be here but I wouldn't be here to care either.

Well if you feel that way let some so called doctor rip you up with forceps now.

 

[Longhorn85]

If I personally were to make a choice that the "father" did not agree with I would not expect anything from him. Bullshit you say to yourself - for me no - never needed a man before wouldn't want him around for a child he didn't want.

The unborn child has no say - the egg being fertilized has nothing to do with the unborn child - pregnancy is by chance and making it to term to be delivered is chance.

Planned and unplanned pregnancy are a matter of chance the only factor that is constant is the use of contreception.

How sad it would be to have a child that is thought of as a mere chance. Women and the courts demand child support from men or declare them to be deadbeat dads, yet they have no say in the life of the child? How would you notify the man? "Honey, I thought about killing this baby but I've decided to let it live, now pay up!" WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!

 

[velvett]

How sad it would be to have a child that is thought of as a mere chance. Women and the courts demand child support from men or declare them to be deadbeat dads, yet they have no say in the life of the child? How would you notify the man? "Honey, I thought about killing this baby but I've decided to let it live, now pay up!" WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!

Perhaps I did not make my thoughts clear enough - CONCEPTION is by CHANCE.


Once the child is born - chance has nothing to do with it.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I wonder what correlation, if any, there is between children who were in foster homes and criminals.
(I'm sure atlantabiolab has an answer to this).

It;s very high. But if that is a pro-abortion argument it;s pure socialism, and I know you're not a socialist.

BTW the answer to that problem is to stop paying people to raise children.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

If someone doesn't agree with your point of view you treat them like they are imbeciles.

Your feelings on this thread could be summarized as "because I want it that way". All of your posts are variations on that theme. Either I or ABL has shown every logical loophole in every statement you;ve made, and you just change words....

We've gone from "I'm a woman" to "chance" to my favorite )in post 131) about how if a man didn't want anything to do with his child, you wouldn't want anything from him.

That's wonderful that you wouldn't want anything. But the bottom line is, we live in a society that demands otherwise of fathers, so your own feelings (and they are feelings, they are not logical constructs) are irrelevant.

The chance argument is also anti-abortion, and one day maybe you'll figure it out.

I am not treating you like an imbecile. (Good word though -technical definition = someone with an IQ of 25-50, though not really used anymore in psychology). I don't criticize you, just your arguments.

I wouldn't call your arguments imbecilic. That's too harsh. "Moronic" is more appropriate (technical definition of moron, IQ 50-75)

 

[Longhorn85]

Velvett, I totally disagree with you on this one, but your points are well thought out and articulated. Kudos for being one of the few women on this board who will go toe-to-toe with those of us who love to debate the topics of the day.

 

[the nature boy]

It;s very high. But if that is a pro-abortion argument it;s pure socialism, and I know you're not a socialist.

every now and then socialistic measures must be put in place to protect society. Abortion is one of them.

 

[WalkingBeast]

On a brighter note: How do you remove dead babies from a pick-up truck?

With a pitch fork

What did the father scream out as he fucked his baby?

"Oh, baby!"

Thank you...No need for applause! Shows over boys and girls....

 

[velvett]

Your feelings on this thread could be summarized as "because I want it that way". All of your posts are variations on that theme. Either I or ABL has shown every logical loophole in every statement you;ve made, and you just change words....

Let's review the brilliance of your responses to me, shall we.


Matt does sarcasm while trying to remind us that he answered all the why’s of the world more than once today.

that's been made clear like 5 times already.

good of you to go for 6 though.

Matt briefly tells us about his dating expectations & life experiences.

So do I. I get enough stimulation from the other areas of my life.

Side note: keeping the tasks simple precludes having to tell her how to do them.

If not I'll stay single for a while. Treats me well enough.

Hope you find what you're looking for too.

Matt tries to be funny while insulting - get this guy a microphone.

Don't bring Jesus into this. This post has remained Curling-free and should stay that way.

Matt gets political and argues that men should have rights too – because it’s not their fault they are without uterus.

Choice--->consequences. It's gender neutral. We are all the beneficiaries of someone's decision not to abort us. How can anyone of either gender argue FOR a procedure which, if done on them, would have resulted in their non-existence?

This is nonsense. If taxpayer savings were the goal of legislation, the first law paassed would be the immediate machine gunningof all persons over 65. We spend almost half of the federal budget on them annually. Think of the savings if we killed them off.

Matt explaining why logical people like him are far superior to those with emotion and irrelevant whinny thoughts.

Yes, I call it death by logic. I suppose your posts could be called "life by emotion".
If we are discussing legislation, and public policy, none of this "how it feels" crappo matters at all. Appeals to emotion just make you sound whiny. Never thought you a whiner, but I guess I never knew what questions to ask.

Your appeals to amorphous social perspecitves are complete non-starters.

We've gone from "I'm a woman" to "chance" to my favorite )in post 131) about how if a man didn't want anything to do with his child, you wouldn't want anything from him.

Yes of course you're right. I should absolutely force a man to take of a child that he states he does not want that make such good sense me why didn't I see it your way. How long do you think I will have to spend in court to get those child support checks?

That's wonderful that you wouldn't want anything. But the bottom line is, we live in a society that demands otherwise of fathers, so your own feelings (and they are feelings, they are not logical constructs) are irrelevant.

Of course my thoughts and feelings are irrelevant, I mean wasn't that perfectly clear when coming into the world with a vagina and not a penis? Please try and be more enlightening next time - you're starting to slip.

The chance argument is also anti-abortion, and one day maybe you'll figure it out.

I would have never been able to figure that one out without you pointing that out for me. Should I send you payment or will you just bill me for your time?

I am not treating you like an imbecile. (Good word though -technical definition = someone with an IQ of 25-50, though not really used anymore in psychology). I don't criticize you, just your arguments.

I wouldn't call your arguments imbecilic. That's too harsh. "Moronic" is more appropriate (technical definition of moron, IQ 50-75)

Oh my goodness - in depth knowledge of Psychology too!


Ladies better catch this one while he's still available.




Oh and Matt - before you go - please entertain us with your relevant thoughts and logical deductions on IVF (In Vitro Fertilization) and how it pertains to God’s way and chance.