Hello Pro-Choice!!

[The Ranger]

One thing I have learned....Never talk to a woman about weight, age, or ABORTION.

Ranger

 

[Synpax]

It did not take long.

NY judge rejects US abortion ban



Democracy is a wonderful thing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3248943.stm

Democracy? How does a crazy unelected judge overruling an elected national legeslature make this democracy? For it or against it, it's hardly democratic.

Of course, the Supreme Court is going to slap this judge down and let the law stand because the judge's findings of fact are unfactual:

Partial Birth Abortion is never medically necessary. Ever.

 

[biteme]

If I get a woman pregant, she is carrying my child and hers. Fair or not, since she is the one carrying the child, the decision ultimately rests with the woman. I may object vehemently, do everything in my power and legally to try and stop her, but ultimately the decision rests with the woman. IMO

 

[atlantabiolab]

I don't buy into the concept that by eliminating abortion we will create a more responsible sexually active person. Why? When we were hit with AIDS did abortion rates drop? By your theory they should - surely death is worse fate than bearing a child that you hadn't planned for, no?

Your example actually supports my assertion. AIDS did alter the sexual practices of people, not heterosexuals, but those most at risk, gay males. HIV would not affect abortion rates, since, in the US, only a small percentage of HIV cases were from heterosexual transmission, so there was no "risk" placed on men and women from this disease. People alter their practices when it DIRECTLY affects them.

On a side note, I have read that the rate of homosexual men returning to unsafe sexual practices is increasing, speculated to be caused by the advancement in HIV treatments, which can suppress viral load. Remove the threat and back to "things as usual".

Whether the reason is finance, emotional or physiological it is still an unwanted child and there is nothing worse than a child being punished for having been given life.

So we punish them, by death, for the irresponsibility of mom and dad. This idea that because a child was unwanted, unplanned, etc. then they will automatically be tortured and victimized to no end, doesn't hold much weight. This is simply worst case scenarios being used as the only possible choice in such cases. Not to mention, if this is true, then abortion legalization has been a colossal failure. With abortion being so readily available, what excuse can we have for all of the unwanted and abused kids in the US?

Where is the logic of this world, when the very groups that advocate abortion on demand, to terminate the existence of individuals who have done nothing wrong, save exist, also scream to spare the lives of convicted murderers?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I make no apology for being passionate, it is who I am and I will never be inspired by anyone's political standpoint which is what you choose to make this into.


What you fail to realize - is that while you are intelligent and respectable you do tend talk (type) down to people which makes you come across as condescending bastard.

Which is a shame.

Since it was a judical ruling, a context of political viability seemed appropriate.

There hasn't been even a shred of logic in any of your posts, just emotional mumbo jumbo. "Passionate"? Is that a rationalization mechanism for "illogical"?

There has been lots of name calling though, mostly from you. Yet I am condescending?! Wow. I guess there really is no limit to what people will do to justify their perspective.

Abort this!

 

[Tiervexx]

Since it was a judical ruling, a context of political viability seemed appropriate.

There hasn't been even a shred of logic in any of your posts, just emotional mumbo jumbo. "Passionate"? Is that a rationalization mechanism for "illogical"?

There has been lots of name calling though, mostly from you. Yet I am condescending?! Wow. I guess there really is no limit to what people will do to justify their perspective.

Abort this!

If your argument is so logical then please tell us how you can support the idea that a man’s role of donating sperm is as anywhere near as difficult as carrying a child for 9 months?

You can not compare the roles of men and women in creating a child which is why women are the only ones that have a right to make a decision on the issue. Saying child birth is gender neutral is like someone telling you that they deserve half your pay check because they told you about the job interview.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

If your argument is so logical then please tell us how you can support the idea that a man’s role of donating sperm is as anywhere near as difficult as carrying a child for 9 months?

You can not compare the roles of men and women in creating a child which is why women are the only ones that have a right to make a decision on the issue. Saying child birth is gender neutral is like someone telling you that they deserve half your pay check because they told you about the job interview.

My point throughout this whole thing, which no one has refuted, is that any one of us, if we were on the receiving end of abortion, would not be here. We are all here because someone did not do that to us. These statements are true.

The man/woman thing is a non-starter/distraction to the greater issue.

How any of us can argue for a practice that would result in our own non-existence is the height of illogic.

 

[Tiervexx]

My point throughout this whole thing, which no one has refuted, is that any one of us, if we were on the receiving end of abortion, would not be here. We are all here because someone did not do that to us. These statements are true.

The man/woman thing is a non-starter/distraction to the greater issue.

How any of us can argue for a practice that would result in our own non-existence is the height of illogic.

I was not aborted because I was a planed pregnancy that my parents where more than prepared to raise. Many babies that where aborted would find themselves in very different circumstance if they where not…

I’m not all that interested in getting into this debate right now. I just wanted to point out that you can’t say this is gender neutral.

 

[CANDICE]

This is absolutely not gender neutral. Government and society has been so liberal telling people that they do not have to be held responsible for their actions........example, you become pregnant you can suck it out early (no parental consent) or whenever you get around to it (often it is paid for by federal aid) or you can jump on welfare while getting paid for goiing to school, job training or anything else that could entice the lazy oerson to start working and become self sufficient.
If we held people accountable for their actions maybe people might think twice before behaving irresponsibly and having the tax payers pick up the pieces.
Any way you cut it I beleive abortion is extremely sad and needs ti be controlled. It's inconvenient therefore, it can be discarded like a piece of garbage. Ever go to an abortion clinic? They call out numbers like your at a deli, they will not show you the fetus on the monitor (where you can see the heartbeat) and God forbid might change your mind..........they don't counsel you about options, they tell you an abotion is no big deal and the right thing to do. What do they call themselves? "Planned Parenthood" of all things.

 

[Longhorn85]

There is no equality between a woman carrying a child for nine months and a man that supplied the sperm.

I hear this argument a lot and I disagree. If you believe this, the man should not be at all responsible for any child support. If he is liable for child support, then you are acknowledging that he has a stake in the matter, therefore no abortion should be performed without his consent.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

I also don't think it is the woman's decision alone because there is a third party who has a stake in the matter...the unborn kid, and the stakes are high--life.