HCgenerate

[Crazy Barbarian]

Will it fully keep me from shutting down?
I plan on running a summer cycle of either test+var or test+primo
Test 1-8 400mg
Var 2-8 50mg ed
Hcgenerate 1-12
Letro
Only expect to keep 15-20 pounds of tgis cycle and more strength
How well does hcgenerate work? Or should I just get some hcg?

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[bonacris]

What is your full planned cycle.. including pct?

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[Crazy Barbarian]

Stats 6'4 220 13-14% bf 21 in summer (I do plan to cycle this summer before/durimg my birthday) so I still have time to tweak it and perfect the cycle. Lifting for 4 years and been an athlete sense I was little

Wk 1-8 test (not sure which ester still debating)
Wk 2-10 anavar 40mg ed
Hcgenerate 1-12 4-6 caps

Pct 10-14
Unleashed/post cycle
DAA
Forma
Clomid 25/25/25/25

This is my first cycle... bear in mind , I could use some dht gel my dad has also if I wanted to add that in instead of var (harder for me to get var).
Any tips or opinions is greatly appreciated
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[bigdeem]

I'm nowhere near as experienced as most of the guys here but is 8 weeks test even worth doing? Most cycles are 12-16 from what I read.

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[bonacris]

I'm nowhere near as experienced as most of the guys here but is 8 weeks test even worth doing? Most cycles are 12-16 from what I read.

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Test prop is a short ester so kicks in a lot sooner..

Running test e, c or sust for 8weeks would be pointless

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[Crazy Barbarian]

TEST prop is good for shorter test cycles because its not a long ester... I dont want to get to big on cycle and I gain weight easily as is so more looking for the strength and increased intensity and a good 15 lbm pounds

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[WolfpackAlpha]

You're running a lot of test, so you're going to shut down, but HCGenerate is magical in a sense (yea I know I'm pimping); even when I had clients running high doses of test, everyone had HCGenerate during and post cycle - the results were amazing and recovery times were much faster. Run HCGenerate during and post cycle, but keep HCG on hand just in case.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

 

[bonacris]

Don't run Hcgenerate or hcg in PCT.. they are designed for use on cycle..

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[WolfpackAlpha]

Don't run Hcgenerate or hcg in PCT.. they are designed for use on cycle..

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Both HCGenerate and HCG can (and should in many cases) be ran during PCT to help with post-cycle recovery. This has been proven by both anecdotal and scientific evidence. Look around EF and other forums, you'll see a ton of bloodwork done with HCGenerate and HCG.

 

[bonacris]

No you don't run hcg in pct.. you run it on cycle and blast it before pct but not during pct

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[Crazy Barbarian]

Whats going to be the best pct layout I can take to get my test levela back to normal? Thats all I care about and keeping gyno very low

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[stevesmi]

hcg mimics LH and FSH.. so no you do not want to run it during pct.. you run it as a KICKSTART to pct. it also raises estrogen. so if you run it for pct you will end up with high estrogen, low LH, low FSH and high test. thats just not a good idea. once you stop the hcg your T levels tank back down anyway.

also the OP's setup has a major problem.. that being letro. he doesn't want to get 'shutdown' whatever that means. i'm assuming he is saying he wants his dick to work i think. if thats the case letro is not a good idea. and i don't care how much hcgenerate you run its not gonna be able to overcome the estrogen and dick killing properties of letro

 

[BEAST420]

So for a short ester what would be the appropriate time to stop hcGenerate and start hcg?
Also for a long ester like e, or c, would it make sense to stop hcGenerate around week 8 and start hcg 250iu week 8-12 and then blast w/1000 per week for 13-14.... Or would it make sense to just use hcGenerate through week 12 and hcg only weeks 13-14 ??

 

[bonacris]

Also for a long ester like e, or c, would it make sense to stop hcGenerate around week 8 and start hcg 250iu week 8-12 and then blast w/1000 per week for 13-14..

I would run it exactly.like this

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[Idobehigh]

Let's not forget the rules no aas talk until you are 21 sorry but judging from your stats your not ready for aas and do not know enough information about it to run it your 20 do you really wanna end up with trt by 25 look at your dad I'm sure he doesn't like it...

 

[bonacris]

Shit I never seen his age until I double checked every post..

My bad

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[burnthiscorpse]

Don't run Hcgenerate or hcg in PCT.. they are designed for use on cycle..

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You have no idea what you are talking about. How many times have you used Hcgenerate? I wager not anywhere near as many times as I have.

I don't use it during cycle. Or HCG. Why? Because I personally see no reason to confuse the body when its shut down forcefully by exogenous hormones by trying to tell it to start up again. Its shut down. Let it be shut down. Guys want to use hcg or hcgenerate on cycle then that's their decision.

As for PCT....no..obviously you don't run HCG during PCT as it can suppress. But you DO blast HCG for 10 days pre pct.
OR....you can blast 10 caps of Hcgenerate a day for 2 weeks pre pct (instead of HCG) like I just did with my current PCT after 13 mos of blasting and cruising. Must be my own magical experience with hcgenerate if your saying it cant be run during pct because that 2 week blast brought my nuts from raisins to fucking oranges. Now I am running the normal 5 caps ed during pct. Along with my other pct supps and I couldn't be more impressed with the results. Best PCT I have ever run. But my PCT ALWAYS includes Hcgenerate because it does what HCG does then you CONTINUE it through pct because it doesn't suppress like HCG. Plus its good for many other things related to your blood work.

Using Hcgenerate or HCG during cycle is a complete waste of money in my opinion. But that's just my opinion. This is why you have a HCG or Hcgenerate blast pre pct...to get those grapes back to full size for faster recovery.

Giving advice like don't use Hcgenerate during PCT is very bad advice bro.

 

[Idobehigh]

hcg mimics LH and FSH.. so no you do not want to run it during pct.. you run it as a KICKSTART to pct. it also raises estrogen. so if you run it for pct you will end up with high estrogen, low LH, low FSH and high test. thats just not a good idea. once you stop the hcg your T levels tank back down anyway.

also the OP's setup has a major problem.. that being letro. he doesn't want to get 'shutdown' whatever that means. i'm assuming he is saying he wants his dick to work i think. if thats the case letro is not a good idea. and i don't care how much hcgenerate you run its not gonna be able to overcome the estrogen and dick killing properties of letro

He explains it better IMO not every will agree with each other but to say some one is giving bad advice just because it does not agree with you isn't right

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

hcg mimics LH and FSH.. so no you do not want to run it during pct.. you run it as a KICKSTART to pct. it also raises estrogen. so if you run it for pct you will end up with high estrogen, low LH, low FSH and high test. thats just not a good idea. once you stop the hcg your T levels tank back down anyway.

HCG should be a part of PCT, but we're playing with words - "kickstart" pct vs. used during pct. What I'm saying is that HCGenerate (HCG) should be used during PCT, obviously we kick start the PCT with HCG. In fact, HCG alone has been shown to induce and maintain spermatogenesis in men on TRT.

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Stimulation of spermatogenesis by gonadotropins in men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism.

Abstract
We evaluated the efficacy of gonadotropin treatment in stimulating spermatogenesis in men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. When 21 men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism were treated with human chorionic gonadotropin, the sperm count increased to within the normal range in the 6 in whom hypogonadism had begun after puberty, but in only 1 of the 15 in whom it had begun before puberty (P less than 0.002). When the remaining 14 men with prepubertal hypogonadism were treated with human menopausal gonadotropin in addition to human chorionic gonadotropin, the sperm count increased to normal in 5 of the 7 who had not had cryptorchidism, but in only 1 of the 7 who had (P less than 0.05). The need for human menopausal gonadotropin as a replacement for follicle-stimulating hormone could not be predicted by pretreatment serum and urinary levels of follicle-stimulating hormone. We conclude that gonadotropin treatment will usually increase the sperm count to normal in men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, unless cryptorchidism has occurred. The need for human menopausal gonadotropin treatment appears to depend on the time of onset of hypogonadism.

From Stimulation of spermatogenesis by gonadotropins... [N Engl J Med. 1985] - PubMed - NCBI
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[Nelson Montana]

I say HCGenerate while on to stave off some suppression. (You can also use UNLEASHED while on to allow for more FreeT and less aromatization).

Then, HCG afterward to elevate LH. (Along with a littel a-dex )

After that, UNLEASHED, Protein Factory POST-CYCLE and BRIDGE.

Happy landings!

 

[bonacris]

Quote posted by bonacris
Don't run Hcgenerate or hcg in PCT.. they are designed for use on cycle..

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You have no idea what you are talking about. How many times have you used Hcgenerate? I wager not anywhere near as many times as I have.

I don't use it during cycle. Or HCG. Why? Because I personally see no reason to confuse the body when its shut down forcefully by exogenous hormones by trying to tell it to start up again. Its shut down. Let it be shut down. Guys want to use hcg or hcgenerate on cycle then that's their decision.

As for PCT....no..obviously you don't run HCG during PCT as it can suppress. But you DO blast HCG for 10 days pre pct.
OR....you can blast 10 caps of Hcgenerate a day for 2 weeks pre pct (instead of HCG) like I just did with my current PCT after 13 mos of blasting and cruising. Must be my own magical experience with hcgenerate if your saying it cant be run during pct because that 2 week blast brought my nuts from raisins to fucking oranges. Now I am running the normal 5 caps ed during pct. Along with my other pct supps and I couldn't be more impressed with the results. Best PCT I have ever run. But my PCT ALWAYS includes Hcgenerate because it does what HCG does then you CONTINUE it through pct because it doesn't suppress like HCG. Plus its good for many other things related to your blood work.

Using Hcgenerate or HCG during cycle is a complete waste of money in my opinion. But that's just my opinion. This is why you have a HCG or Hcgenerate blast pre pct...to get those grapes back to full size for faster recovery.

Giving advice like don't use Hcgenerate during PCT is very bad advice bro.

I agree with you about blasting before pct but I don't understand why you would let your balls shrink only to try get them back to normal when you could run hcg or Hcgenerate and keep them nice and plump all cycle those having an easier recovery.

This is my opinion and while I may not have the experience that you have running big cycles this worked great for me and I will continue to recommend it to people

I know your a very knowledgeable guy and not trying to be a wise ass but I thought my advice was quite good

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[WolfpackAlpha]

I agree with you about blasting before pct but I don't understand why you would let your balls shrink only to try get them back to normal when you could run hcg or Hcgenerate and keep them nice and plump all cycle those having an easier recovery.

That's the perfect answer, use HCGenerate the whole cycle and you won't have as much of an issue during recovery.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I agree with you about blasting before pct but I don't understand why you would let your balls shrink only to try get them back to normal when you could run hcg or Hcgenerate and keep them nice and plump all cycle those having an easier recovery.

This is my opinion and while I may not have the experience that you have running big cycles this worked great for me and I will continue to recommend it to people

I know your a very knowledgeable guy and not trying to be a wise ass but I thought my advice was quite good

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My own personal reason would be I guess....that its easy enough to get them to recover their size in two weeks or so pre pct.(always has been anyways)
I'm not saying one shouldn't run HCgenerate during cycle. Just that I don't do it. If I were going to run one of the two whilst on I would run HCgenerate over HCG.
Plus if you blast and cruise for a length of time it can get really really expensive.

 

[notjake11]

Burn - please don't take this as a potshot because it isn't meant as one. Just a question designed to make you rethink your position:

Have you considered that maybe if you'd used HCGen on cycle you wouldn't have ended up as shut down and off kilter as you ended up being?

 

[joeblow12345]

My own personal reason would be I guess....that its easy enough to get them to recover their size in two weeks or so pre pct.(always has been anyways)
I'm not saying one shouldn't run HCgenerate during cycle. Just that I don't do it. If I were going to run one of the two whilst on I would run HCgenerate over HCG.
Plus if you blast and cruise for a length of time it can get really really expensive.

That's why I do 4 week intervals on and off. You only need 3 bottles of each a year.

 

[meathead96]

That's why I do 4 week intervals on and off. You only need 3 bottles of each a year.

Yeah this is a good way to do it. I like to hit HCG for a while and then switch to HCGenerate for a bit.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Burn - please don't take this as a potshot because it isn't meant as one. Just a question designed to make you rethink your position:

Have you considered that maybe if you'd used HCGen on cycle you wouldn't have ended up as shut down and off kilter as you ended up being?

Honestly I had intended on cruising longer. Being on UG test that was dosed a little strong made it difficult to dial in a normal test level like 1000ng/dl or less. So little aspects of bloods get elevated longer term ect ect... and it was time to say fuck it and come off and get a healthy break and fresh perspective.
Yes I know that HCG or Hcgenerate on cycle or even cycled while "on cycle" could give an avenue to easier recovery. Being I was on for so long I figured it would be rough no matter what. I was pleasantly surprised that there was only about 2 weeks of me being a moody maniac. Given where I am at right now I don't regret the way I handled things as they are turning out beautiful so far. I have decided until its officially time for HRT that I will do either one 16wk cycle OR two 8 week short ester cycles a year from now on.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Yeah this is a good way to do it. I like to hit HCG for a while and then switch to HCGenerate for a bit.

I'm now testing HCGenerate ES during the cycle and HCGenerate regular for PCT, let's see how multiple clients respond. (I like it )