Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey everyone, I'm what you would call a "hardgainer" I am 27yo, 6'1" and only 136.4lbs with 12% bf. I decided to start using dbol to kickstart my appetite, and lift ability. See I just never had the appetite to eat! I am a newbie, but my dad has been using gear since the early 90's and is in excellent shape... I've been getting advise from him and he knows what he is talking about. Well I started dbol 4 days ago and I am up to 140lbs, I've been workig hard, and eating hard! My appetite gain was huge! My question is, I'm only taking 10mg dbol in the am.. I know all of the people on here that hate on dbol only (quote-unquote) "cycles".... But I am doing it and it's not for major gains or to get huge! It's just to try and kickstart my appetite.... And seems to be working GREAT! I want to know what you think the chances of sides will be, at only 10mg a day for 4weeks. I'm really only concearned about gyno, I don't think that my test levels will drop enough for complete shutdown... But I keep reading mixed reviews about dbol... Some say under 15-20 sides are rare to none, some say otherwise, my pops says that I shouldn't be worrying so much... Any help?
whitewidow
Banned
wellDianabol will give two noticable side effects: Acne and water retention
Dbol has a minor to moderate androgenic component and a very strong and noticable anabolic component. This means that this steroid has less depressive effects on natural testosterone levels than some other more androgenic steroids. Thus dbol, especially in the short term, is not risky and cannot be the cause of the dramatic shutdown of natural hormone production. Of course like most side effects the degree of testosterone shutdown is dependant on the dosage. However Dianabol still has mild androgenic effects and in high doses (above 40+ mg per day) such androgen-related side effects as acne, male pattern hair loss, and aggression, may become noticed. Like many oral steroids this one is 17-carbon methylated in order to minimize its breakdown by the digestive system and liver. However this chemical modification brings with it a certain degree of toxicity. For this reason users should not take such steroid for more than 6 to 8 weeks at a time. And even then it is higly recommended that this is done under supervision of a medical professional who can monitor your liver values.
Although Dbol is popular as an off-season mass-building drug, it most commonly isn't used for pre-contest cycles. This is because it heavily aromatizes to estrogen making fat loss difficult. It is also known to cause a great deal of water retention which gives bloated and smooth muscle look - another property that makes it unpopular as a contest drug. To get around this bodybuilders usually stack it with other steroids such as nandrolone decanoate or one of the testosterones (i.e., propionate).
The average dosage used by bodybuilders is 15-40mg/day (three to eight, 5mg tablets). Beginners should not take more than 15-20mg daily since their steroid receptors have not been exposed to the drug before and will experience dramatic results using small dosages over a 6 to 8 week period. When the effects begin to slow down (mostly because the steroid receptors have become saturated), and the individual would like to continue the cycle, the dosage should NOT be increased. Instead an injectable such as Deca-Durabolin or Primabolan may be added to the cycle.
Dbol has a minor to moderate androgenic component and a very strong and noticable anabolic component. This means that this steroid has less depressive effects on natural testosterone levels than some other more androgenic steroids. Thus dbol, especially in the short term, is not risky and cannot be the cause of the dramatic shutdown of natural hormone production. Of course like most side effects the degree of testosterone shutdown is dependant on the dosage. However Dianabol still has mild androgenic effects and in high doses (above 40+ mg per day) such androgen-related side effects as acne, male pattern hair loss, and aggression, may become noticed. Like many oral steroids this one is 17-carbon methylated in order to minimize its breakdown by the digestive system and liver. However this chemical modification brings with it a certain degree of toxicity. For this reason users should not take such steroid for more than 6 to 8 weeks at a time. And even then it is higly recommended that this is done under supervision of a medical professional who can monitor your liver values.
Although Dbol is popular as an off-season mass-building drug, it most commonly isn't used for pre-contest cycles. This is because it heavily aromatizes to estrogen making fat loss difficult. It is also known to cause a great deal of water retention which gives bloated and smooth muscle look - another property that makes it unpopular as a contest drug. To get around this bodybuilders usually stack it with other steroids such as nandrolone decanoate or one of the testosterones (i.e., propionate).
The average dosage used by bodybuilders is 15-40mg/day (three to eight, 5mg tablets). Beginners should not take more than 15-20mg daily since their steroid receptors have not been exposed to the drug before and will experience dramatic results using small dosages over a 6 to 8 week period. When the effects begin to slow down (mostly because the steroid receptors have become saturated), and the individual would like to continue the cycle, the dosage should NOT be increased. Instead an injectable such as Deca-Durabolin or Primabolan may be added to the cycle.
ConanX
Banned
I don't think 10mg ED for only 4 weeks would suppress you much. And if you are having slight gains off of it, more power to you! In a couple of days, gaining lbs like that is most likely water from the water retention and the extra cals. But if it helps you increase your cals, then you should grow regardless.
Hopefully your appetite stays that way after the cycle.
Hopefully your appetite stays that way after the cycle.
DJ_UFO
Banned
At that dose you won't have side effects, and even though the dose is subject to a big debate, 10mg a day makes wonders for a person like you. There is simply no reason for a higher dose, and that's how the guys used to do it in the old school days. Just make sure you eat properly and train hard. YOU WILL see the difference.
Thats also dependant on the person. i took 600mg of eq every week for 16 weeks and got no increased appetite. tren on the other hand, makes me want to eat everything in sight.
gear63
Banned
Im sure you will be fine with this "cycle" and may gain a little mass from it but it will all go away after you stop, The key for a hard gainer is to EAT, try counting your calories and try to shoot for 5000 calories a day, mostly protein and carbohydrates with some good FATS thrown in to even it out. You need the carbs for the weight gain and dont guess on the calories count them so you know you are getting the high amounts you need. Also if you want to benefit from the oral jump on 250mg of Test CYP right away and run it for ten weeks then the oral will act like a jumpstart for you to actually get some quaility gains. With the DBOL TEST and the high calorie diet you will look and feel like a different person by the time you finish the 10 weeks, then jump on a PCT cycle for 4 weeks and enjoy the results. Anyone would tell you that the oral is not going to help you much without a TEST base along with it, and if you know someone that has been in the industry for over 15 years as you state they should of been the first to tell you that!
I realized that I would run into someone like this so I tried to make my origional post as understandable as possible... I don't want to get huge like my pops, he is 55 255 14% bf.. I just wanted to put on some pounds, I understand what and how I kneed to eat and train, I just could never get the food down.. The appetite just wasn't there... I'm not even trying to use dbol as a "cycle" just a kick start for my normal body... No more cycles, not going to use gear again, I'm not a body buff like pops.. I would just like to put on minimal mass, and keep lean for a nice physique... After using the dbol I trippled-quadrippled my food intake.. I'm always hungry.. I just wanted to know the chances of sides... Again pops says none, I'm trippin.. But just curious on others... I'm prob not even going to run a pct. I have nolva, but didn't know if I'll need at that low of dosage... I want someone who actually knows what there talking about to reply, nit someone who is just regergitating what everyone else says about dbol... Cause most of the rap is bad, because there are bigger and badder things, which is not what I want.
ConanX
Banned
You can always grab some Nolvadex off your pops if anything. But I seroiusly doubt you will get any sides at such a low dose.
What you want to achieve cant be done without you EATING ENOUGH FOOD. Just cause you take dbol, doesnt mean your gonna gain mass, sure youll gain some water weight, itll increase your appetite, youll eat more, then when you come off and lose the appetite, youll lose most of your gains. if you eat alot now, take dbol, get bigger and stronger, come off dbol and still keep the calories high, then you will keep your strength and muscle gain. Not running a pct will most likel result in all gains lost, and maybe low libido for a while. but that is a low dose. i would personally run a pct after every cycle but my doses are higher then yours.
Do you really think some of us have the apetite to eat 5000-6000 clean calories then down another 2000 extra calories from other foods? its hard but if you want to grow you have to eat. give a plant miracle grow but dont give it alot of water, see how much it grows then? the miracle grow being steroids and the water being food.
