Gynecomastia problems from before/ Currently using Tren/Masteron

[7402]

Hello guys:


Problem:
I trained my entire live wrestling and weightlifting (for wreslting). Obviously I'm more wrestler than a bodybuilder; however I really train very very hard. When I was 14 years old I notice that I got some fat around my chest. Not a big problem, I just tough that it would go out by training hard. Wrong, it never disappeared. Later on, when I was 21 I gained more weight and lots of strength for 6 years. I was 94 kilos and felt very good. At that time I figure out that the fat around the chest was gynecomastia. When I was 27, I started to feel slow and no more technical… just strong, so I decided to moved down to a 79 kilos class. I did it easily. I did lots of cardio and hard work, good diets and supplements. I accomplished it in 6 months. I felt ok after it; I was really quick but without strength. I thought the strength would come back after some time, but it didn't. I have invested a lot of money in nutrition and worked out like the hell for the last 3 years but I still not feeling good in that weight class. I cannot go up because of the weight and cannot stay down because of the strength. Moreover, the gynecomastia is more notorious with this weight. I decided to go to a very competitive class (83 Kg.), only with muscle and no fat. For achieving this task I asked for professional assistance. I'm guided now by one of the most reputable guys in the country (bodybuilder), but still unsure about his suggestions.


Professional Advice:
He put me on a high protein diet for 4 weeks. I lost a lot of weight (73 kg.) I did not feel weak, but I had a lot of anxiety for the lack of carbs, so I was really down in my wrestling training. My fat loss went down naturally from 17% to 12%. However my chest was looking bad after all.

He recommended me to continue with a second diet with more carbs, but to introduce my first ever cycle; Trenbolone and Masteron together. The cycle is 100mg of each of them twice a week. The period is 10 weeks. He claims that the results will be shown from the very first week. He claimed that I will go up in weight by adding 50gr. of carb every day.
Results:
So far, I'm in the beginning of my second week and I feel not sure about it. I do not feel stronger, and I have more fat after the first 4 weeks due to the extra carbs of the second diet. And the gynecomastia? Oh yes, still there! Furthermore, I'm confused about the quality of my gear; I get a strange feeling. It is like a deposit of fluid or something in the left side of my back after each shoot. The feeling comes from the inside of the skin. Is this normal? The products are underground, I did not find information about them on the net, but he claims that they are good, and that he use them. Well? Only he knows. For me both bottles come from the same UG, they look very much the same.

Conclusion:

I really need a good guidance, I do not feel confident with this. If you have a serious suggestion I will really appreciate it.
Regards,
Martin

 

[big bomber]

being a bodybuilder and wrestler myself, i dont know if that guy suggesting u trenbolone would be correct...being that trenbolone is probably the most strongest steroid out there, i dont know if that would be good for wrestling or any type of mma..i couldnt imagine wrestling while on trenbolone because i feel the pumps would be so severe that your endurance would be shattered, i could barely run more than 3 miles and that absolutely killed me when i would due to the calf and quad pumps..when i was wrestling i wasnt taking any form of aas, but if i had to guess what would be the best, i would suggest a low dose of test e...winstrol could aid as well but it tears my shoulders up, and wrestling is hard on shoulders..other members might suggest some equipoise being that it can raise your red blood cell count..but from what i gathered that most of the mma guys get busted for are roids such as winstrol, masteron, equipoise, and test..but take this for what its worth, other members will chime in and correct me if wrong on anything

 

[DrEric]

Theres a couple of problems here. First off, tren and mast, I'm assuming acetate and propionate are not twice/week drugs. They are supposed to be used either eod(every other day) or even ed(every day) so your blood levels remain constant. I woulda also added test to a cycle like this. You should also have in hand something for the gyno before you get in case it gets worse. Dostinex or bromocriptine.

Also, we don't mention lab names on this site. Mods will get on you for that. I would edit those out...

 

[7402]

Thanks a lot big bomber! I started to feel that my cardio capacity is decreasing. I was thinking that this could be due to the little carbs that I'm ingesting (low fuel), but I can think about the Tren now. Anyway I do not observe any corporal change either more strength. Not at all. I'm very curious about the feeling in my back, it comes each time that I take a shoot. Dredic you are right, I also found the same on the net, I will discuss the reason of the dosage (2 x week) with the trainer, I hope there is a good reason for it. Maybe because I'm a beginner, who knows? About the gynco, I would take care inmediately, Thanks a lot for the advice! =).
Martin

 

[sonicwaste]

Tren acetate and masteron (drostanlone propionate) must be injected ed or eod. ED is better. If you aren't noticing anything that's why. 2 times per week would be okay with tren enanthate and masteron enanthate, but that's probably not what yo have.

You sholdn't be gaining fat from eating carbs as long as your carb sources are good. Future has me on a new diet where I am eating more carbs than I was before but they are all clean complex carbs. I am carb cycling, going pretty high on my high carb days and I am absolutely shredding up everyday. So you just need to make sure you are getting the right carbs at the right times.

As gor your gyno... You either have to deal with it or go get it removed. I have gyno and it turns out not to ne such a big deal. I take an good AI dose on cycle and it keeps it mild... When I get off, I keep my AI through PCT and it shrinks to a size that it doesn't bother me and I very rarely notice it.

 

[7402]

Thanks for that sonicwaste! You are right, maybe is not fat but definitely I do not have the same definition as the first 4 weeks, when I ate almost no carbs. However, thanks a lot for the gyno recommendation, but I do not know what is AI and PCT.could you tell me please? I'm not familiarized with all these acronyms. However I hope that they are not so difficult to get them here in Norway.
Regards, Martin

 

[DrEric]

AI means aromatase inhibitor. That's the enzyme that allows excess test to aromatize to estrogen. This stops that from happening which keeps the water retention and estrogen gyno at bay. Tren doesn't aromatize so you wouldn't need one on your cycle. With Tren you can get progesterone/prolactin gyno. To combat this you would need Dostinex (cabergoline).

PCT is Post Cycle Therapy. There is a PCT forum on this site, you should go there and do some reading.

 

[needtogetaas]

I think what you need to do is get a new trainer man. The advice is sub par at best. Wrong steroid advice and I am not a huge fan of low low carbs unless you are trying to prep for a contest.

Telling some one to jump on a tren mast cycle for there first cycle just means he wanted you to see dramatic effects so he could take the credit for it. Its not the right advice. Not only that if you have gyno now he should have addressed this problem for you. Even your kind of gyno has a chance to be taken care of.

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[7402]

Thanks a lot guys; dreric and neetogetaas!
I just discussed this with my trainer and he agrees that Tren will be limiting for me in many aspects. His intention with this cycle is that I get a bit stronger and that my body learns to tolerate the Tren-Mast mixture. After it he recommends me to go into Primo and Winny. He said that the low carb diet is just to reach my competitive weight, not to keep it forever. He wanted that I try my new weight with Tren-Maste and that I feel if I can manage some hard wrestling training with it. But as bigbomber mention before; I started to loose my cardiovascular resistance and agility. Instead I'm gaining a lot of strength. I have to say that I started to feel it just this week (3rd week), not before. I also have an incredible excess sweating. Furthermore I feel all my body rigid & stiff during training, a lot more than normally, so I have to do some serious stretching, 15 minutes before and after training. My trainer says that if i go up to an EOD cycle I will feel very stiff during training and probably will be very difficult for me to go forward with wrestling. I started to gain weight and seem to be ok; however I do not observe much definition. With regards to the Gyno he would suggest Primobolan. I did not get answers with regards to the strange feeling in my back (when I shoot the tren-mast mixture). Probably an allergy or a reaction, he does not recommends that I go up with my dosage until this feeling is over, and if it increases I should stop with the cycle. It is nice to see that many people here know about this, thanks a lot to everybody. I have worked hard with my homework, doing my research… anyway I still have to read and learn a lot more. Please let me know what you think about the Prim-Winny cycle, it will be highly appreciated.
Regards,
Martin