GSP Vs. BJ Pen

[the_alcatraz]

It wont shut him up. Penn's camp is claiming that GSP was greased up with vaseline during the fight. They will probably formally protest the win.

wtf? Pen's family were the ones who stopped the fight cause they were scared he'd get so badly hurt

GSP could've beaten Pen with his hands tied behind his back in a phone booth that night....

Here are the factors at play here:

Pen looked like he was scared shitless coming into the ring - he didnt look his usual confident self

When GSP walked into the ring, he instantaneously started running - he wanted to eat Pen alive

GSP looked in excellent shape, Pen looked like shit

GSP passed Pen's guard 11 times (Pen's gaurd has only been passed once in his career in UFC before this night)

GSP takedown success was more thna 90% that night with one of the best takedown defenders in the game

GSP out-jabbed Pen, something that usually doesnt happen

GSP had an awesome game plan and he played it out till the finish

Oh yeh, and let's not forget the vicious rediculously one-sided ground and pound that made Pen look like a rag doll being tossed around

GSP, on that night, was just too strong, too fast, too good for Pen...Pen knows it, he's just not man enough to admit it....GSP should bitch slap him and tell hm to shut up before he hands him another ass whoppin

 

[-Ariel-]

wtf? Pen's family were the ones who stopped the fight cause they were scared he'd get so badly hurt

GSP could've beaten Pen with his hands tied behind his back in a phone booth that night....

Here are the factors at play here:

Pen looked like he was scared shitless coming into the ring - he didnt look his usual confident self

When GSP walked into the ring, he instantaneously started running - he wanted to eat Pen alive

GSP looked in excellent shape, Pen looked like shit

GSP passed Pen's guard 11 times (Pen's gaurd has only been passed once in his career in UFC before this night)

GSP takedown success was more thna 90% that night with one of the best takedown defenders in the game

GSP out-jabbed Pen, something that usually doesnt happen

GSP had an awesome game plan and he played it out till the finish

Oh yeh, and let's not forget the vicious rediculously one-sided ground and pound that made Pen look like a rag doll being tossed around

GSP, on that night, was just too strong, too fast, too good for Pen...Pen knows it, he's just not man enough to admit it....GSP should bitch slap him and tell hm to shut up before he hands him another ass whoppin

I agree Traz to a point. Here's the thing, though, Penn is world class. Lets not take anything away from him. I remember when he first beat Matt Hughes, I rememvber seeing the interview with Hughes and thinking he's gonna crush this Local Boy. Well, Penn won in his jujitsu way. As far as Penn looking chiseled?
Genetics brah... when has that dude looked like anything other than an average dude.

Yeah, I never thought his strategy would be to attack at full force GSP, but to get inside and counter. Penn is world class. However, GSP had way, way, way too much strength. Hell I"m at 171 right now around 12ish and would kill too look like as comic book like as GSP. Dude's overall combination of strength, speed, athletic ability, as well as increases in mental dexterity, and skill in as striker, and jujitsu defense, made his passing the guard, well not a big deal.
Again in my limited perspective, I thought that GSP has evolved tremendously as a fighter... his increases in strength, measuring, timing, confidence, and just overall flow are impeccable and he has really, really taken the UFC evolution to another uncharted level.

I would say we might be looking at the next prototype of the how the Gracies first dominated... the evolution of the Overall figther whose overall strength in all areas. To me it just signifed, that to excel in Jujitsu, and boxing, and yet to lack the physical prowess is not gonna cut it at that level. One has to be totally complete. GSP has taken, this idea, in my mind to a whole separate level.

As far as Penn, bitching... imagine coming back to your isolated paradise where you are revered and you got beaten that badly. Atleast Tito, didn't get abused like Penn. Of course, since his family is the premier family there, they are gonna get his back. Hawaii my friend is a very, very proud culture. I do not justify making excuses in fact I'm disappointed.

However in my mind, its not so much that Penn is a weak fighter, GSP has evolved to another stratus.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

wtf? Pen's family were the ones who stopped the fight cause they were scared he'd get so badly hurt

GSP could've beaten Pen with his hands tied behind his back in a phone booth that night....

Here are the factors at play here:

Pen looked like he was scared shitless coming into the ring - he didnt look his usual confident self

When GSP walked into the ring, he instantaneously started running - he wanted to eat Pen alive

GSP looked in excellent shape, Pen looked like shit

GSP passed Pen's guard 11 times (Pen's gaurd has only been passed once in his career in UFC before this night)

GSP takedown success was more thna 90% that night with one of the best takedown defenders in the game

GSP out-jabbed Pen, something that usually doesnt happen

GSP had an awesome game plan and he played it out till the finish

Oh yeh, and let's not forget the vicious rediculously one-sided ground and pound that made Pen look like a rag doll being tossed around

GSP, on that night, was just too strong, too fast, too good for Pen...Pen knows it, he's just not man enough to admit it....GSP should bitch slap him and tell hm to shut up before he hands him another ass whoppin

Unfortunately it is highly illegal to grease up with vaseline. If GSP's corner was so certain of their dominance, they shouldn't have greased him. GSP's corner told GSP not to go to the ground with Penn during the break between round 1 and 2, so apparently they feared something about Penn's ground game.

Personally I think GSP was the better guy that night grease or not. The problem is you can't let a flagrant violation of rules slide as MMA is a sport, not a street fight. How do you determine when it is OK to let a guy cheat? GSP and especially his corner should be penalized. He's not the first guy in MMA to get caught greasing. Akiyama did it when he fought Sakuraba. The situation was similar. It is highly unlikely that Sakuraba could beat Akiyama ungreased, but Akiyama cheated, got caught, and suffered the consequences.

I think you are correct in asserting that GSP should shut Penn's camp up and give Penn the option of receiving another ass whoppin.

 

[redsamurai]

just read about this at sherdog.........there was some greasing going on, but after the 2nd round one of the inspectors came in and told them to wipe off GSP's shoulders and upper back. Doesn't look it was that much, but it could have caused Penn to have problems on his back getting hold of GSP's arms and shoulders. I dunno.........anybody have a link to the fight? supposedly GSP dominated standing, sitting, lying down, spooning.........so this probalby has little relevance.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

just read about this at sherdog.........there was some greasing going on, but after the 2nd round one of the inspectors came in and told them to wipe off GSP's shoulders and upper back. Doesn't look it was that much, but it could have caused Penn to have problems on his back getting hold of GSP's arms and shoulders. I dunno.........anybody have a link to the fight? supposedly GSP dominated standing, sitting, lying down, spooning.........so this probalby has little relevance.

A little grease goes a long way and I don't think a quick rub with a towel will remove it. You can scrub it with soap and water and vaseline will still take considerable effort to wipe off. I know this from my many girlfriendless years. You can see the fight at MMA Videos And News, UFC Videos, Pride Videos, K-1 Videos, And EliteXC Videos from MMATKO.com..

 

[-Ariel-]

A little grease goes a long way and I don't think a quick rub with a towel will remove it. You can scrub it with soap and water and vaseline will still take considerable effort to wipe off. I know this from my many girlfriendless years. You can see the fight at MMA Videos And News, UFC Videos, Pride Videos, K-1 Videos, And EliteXC Videos from MMATKO.com..

Do you think Penn will ask for a rematch?
I mean he got killed.

I sure would not.

I do think you make a great point, however, man he got killed so bad.

I mean, I'm not like a huge Penn fan, but I think it will take a couple of wins before people move on from that fight.

 

[redsamurai]

ok, just watched the fight. Ariel you were right, Penn looked very concerned for his well being before the fight even started. He was never in that fight. Could GSP really have gotten all way up in that head before the first punch was thrown? I dunno, seems Penn may have had something else going on.....that's not like him. Just look at their first fight. And BJ was the one who really had nothing to lose since he's not supposed to be at 170 anyway. So if anyone should have come out relaxed and ready to rumble, it should have been him.

Now about the grease thing, you could actually see after the second round the dude go into GSP's corner and tell those guys to cut that shit out. Technically Penn does deserve a rematch because that is cheating no if's and's or but's. However, grease didn't help GSP dominate standing up and in the clinch. You could argue that once he took Penn down it "could" have prevented Penn from getting a good grip with his legs in trying to ride up for an armbar or triangle or whatever. But GSP crushed him so badly it looked like Penn didn't belong in the ring with him in ANY facet of fighting. GSP is too strong at 170, especially for a guy coming up from 155. Ironically, if you ask me, Penn may have done better had he actually come in at 155. He's much more aggressive and quicker at that weight. GSP was going to be stronger than him regardless, so he should have come in lighting quick. I don't understand why he kept letting GSP clinch with him....???

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Penn can go for 5 rounds at 155. He seems faster to me too at 155. I think Red Samurai makes a great observation in asserting that Penn might have done better fighting GSP weighing 155. At 170 Penn often seems to gas fast.

 

[-Ariel-]

Penn can go for 5 rounds at 155. He seems faster to me too at 155. I think Red Samurai makes a great observation in asserting that Penn might have done better fighting GSP weighing 155. At 170 Penn often seems to gas fast.

Red, great idea.
Penn will go back to 155.
I would recommend for his fans not in Hawaii, to shut the fuck up.
I would think all that training would be humbling.
I dunno
Love the guy, even if he got mauled. However, he did get mauled.
Okay....
JC
How long will GSP stay at 170?

I see him moving up in weight in one year.
He will then take on Silva at 185.
Silva will win.
GSP's evolution will have gone the distance.
They will fight twice.
Silva both times.


2010.
Yeah I was the first one to call it here on EF remember that when you are watching the fight.

LOL