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GSP Vs. BJ Pen
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hawaiianflash
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Alright... my real analysis of the fight:
Penn is one of the best "in the pocket" boxers that I've seen in the UFC. He hangs in the pocket and uses great defense to pick off his opponents shots. He has a deceptively quick jab that does a lot of damage. In almost every fight I've seen, his opponent's faces are swollen and cut, while his looks untouched. Penn looks soft at 170 and his best weight is at 155. Penn is extremely flexible and is very good at standing back up once taken down. I wouldn't be suprised if he fakes an "standup escape" and goes for a submission hold. GSP looks very strong and has decent boxing skills. He is good with the takedown and ground and pound and has excellent stamina.
In the first fight, it appeared that Penn ran out of gas (though I thought he won the fight). Tomorrow, he comes in better shape and wears GSP out with his jab. I expect a 4th round TKO from Penn.
Penn is one of the best "in the pocket" boxers that I've seen in the UFC. He hangs in the pocket and uses great defense to pick off his opponents shots. He has a deceptively quick jab that does a lot of damage. In almost every fight I've seen, his opponent's faces are swollen and cut, while his looks untouched. Penn looks soft at 170 and his best weight is at 155. Penn is extremely flexible and is very good at standing back up once taken down. I wouldn't be suprised if he fakes an "standup escape" and goes for a submission hold. GSP looks very strong and has decent boxing skills. He is good with the takedown and ground and pound and has excellent stamina.
In the first fight, it appeared that Penn ran out of gas (though I thought he won the fight). Tomorrow, he comes in better shape and wears GSP out with his jab. I expect a 4th round TKO from Penn.
ponyfitness
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GSP fights at 170 but could easily go at 185. He carries a lot more weight and power(and reach I think) than Penn does. He's also incredibly fast, strong and has all of the tools. If it was down to simple tale of the tape GSP all the way.
However, Penn has the attitude of the underdog. You can hear it when he is interviewed he literally wants to kill GSP, to break his face and snap his arm or leg like a twig. He is also a very dangerous underdog. I just love hearing him talk about how much he wants to kill the guy, it gets me fired up.
Results? I think GSP is just too strong. The only way Penn wins is if he catches a lucky shot or submission. I also would love to see it go the distance but I think 3rd round TKO by GSP.
However, Penn has the attitude of the underdog. You can hear it when he is interviewed he literally wants to kill GSP, to break his face and snap his arm or leg like a twig. He is also a very dangerous underdog. I just love hearing him talk about how much he wants to kill the guy, it gets me fired up.
Results? I think GSP is just too strong. The only way Penn wins is if he catches a lucky shot or submission. I also would love to see it go the distance but I think 3rd round TKO by GSP.
I'm down with your analysis. I often wonder if GSP begins to unravel when he gets hit.
night train
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Gotta go with the more disciplines fighter and the one with more to loose. GSP
The analyes here on both sides are outstanding. I mean no one can criticize the quality of the each post. I'm impressed. I do not know fighting as well as most of you, however, I'm reading a book by Gladwell, a genius fucking reporter, called the outliars. It is a book that well, reveals, so much of the subtle things we miss in observation. It is a book about natural genius. I really do not care who wins the fight. I'm just thrilled to see such an exhibition of 2 fighters with such physical genius, in this time that both honor their lineage based on their respective culture. I digress, sorry, anyway, it appears to me that BJ Penn, may not express himself as a genius, however, when it comes to combat, dude to me is a masterful genius. He just has an instinct that I cannot describe with words. However let me back up, and try to look at this with the wonder it deserves.
He comes from a family that owns 1/8th of Hawaii. He is the Prince of Aiea, I mean, if U had all that money, access to girls, wealth, prestige, recognition just from birthright, and yet U manage to have the will to be a fucking world jujitsu champion. If that is not a Comic Book type persona and testament to will, guts, and shattering the partial truth that wealth does handicap through lack of hunger. I'm fucking impressed. They will say well he is just talented, again words... that explain, but in reality do not.
Second when he fights, it reflects this paradoxical pattern of his identity, it does not appear that he hits overtly hard, for example in clips, it appears that GSP is a much stronger striker... what I'm noticing, again I"m a newb, is that in boxing, and striking, sometimes, due to a sinewy, relaxed, or as bruce lee would put it 'water' like motion, the hits appear not that damaging or powerful. Do You remember the fight between Meldrick Taylor and Julio Caesar Chavez. To the crowd it appeared that Meldrick was killing Julio, trading 4 to 1. However, the referee, knew better, in an interview he said, that while it didn't look like much, he could tell Chavez's punches were powerful enough to shatter bricks. While the fight may not be patterned in the same way, I believe, there are some correlations, I think GSP, is stronger, faster, and his style just looks more impressive. I will further that it correlates with his knight like persona. Which I honor and respect, to me he would be a very very valued friend. BJ's style, and his build, in my overgeneralization, reflects this hidden variable, that we cannot elucidate with words, I think he can take GSPs shots, but GSP, cannot take his. In the last fight, stand up was not a problem for Penn, but rather conditioning... more over I thought the fight was a draw.
Moreover, both represent their respective lineage, culture and homeland very well. I feel lucky just to watch this fight.
Last thing Machido over the other Brazilain.
He comes from a family that owns 1/8th of Hawaii. He is the Prince of Aiea, I mean, if U had all that money, access to girls, wealth, prestige, recognition just from birthright, and yet U manage to have the will to be a fucking world jujitsu champion. If that is not a Comic Book type persona and testament to will, guts, and shattering the partial truth that wealth does handicap through lack of hunger. I'm fucking impressed. They will say well he is just talented, again words... that explain, but in reality do not.
Second when he fights, it reflects this paradoxical pattern of his identity, it does not appear that he hits overtly hard, for example in clips, it appears that GSP is a much stronger striker... what I'm noticing, again I"m a newb, is that in boxing, and striking, sometimes, due to a sinewy, relaxed, or as bruce lee would put it 'water' like motion, the hits appear not that damaging or powerful. Do You remember the fight between Meldrick Taylor and Julio Caesar Chavez. To the crowd it appeared that Meldrick was killing Julio, trading 4 to 1. However, the referee, knew better, in an interview he said, that while it didn't look like much, he could tell Chavez's punches were powerful enough to shatter bricks. While the fight may not be patterned in the same way, I believe, there are some correlations, I think GSP, is stronger, faster, and his style just looks more impressive. I will further that it correlates with his knight like persona. Which I honor and respect, to me he would be a very very valued friend. BJ's style, and his build, in my overgeneralization, reflects this hidden variable, that we cannot elucidate with words, I think he can take GSPs shots, but GSP, cannot take his. In the last fight, stand up was not a problem for Penn, but rather conditioning... more over I thought the fight was a draw.
Moreover, both represent their respective lineage, culture and homeland very well. I feel lucky just to watch this fight.
Last thing Machido over the other Brazilain.
I'm honestly havin a hard time making up my mind. I want to put all my k on GSP, but if i put my k on Pen it will more than double lol
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