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GSP Vs. BJ Pen
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chris302001
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+1 BJ is much more competitive around 155. As much as I'd like BJ to win, GSP wont be stopped.
I love Traz. I feel silly talking about fighting around him, well cause I"m a fucking Nancy compared to him. So be it.
Pick I'm in depth too for welcoming me in, and he is my dawg, he's just the dude.
He makes Lebowski look like Sketch.
Norweigan Thunder, I haven't seen around for awhile and miss him. He knows this.
That said U 3 queers are eatin retard sandwiches.
Penn proved he could go toe to toe with the 'best striker' if there is one dude to submit a guy, whom for some odd reason, and I have no idea why, I don't like.
It will be Penn. I mean dude is rich as fuck, yet is still a consumate bad ass. U know how weird that is, how many silver spooned motherfuckers are fucking limbbreakers, oh yeah... Bruce Wayne.
Not the old Penn, who was 70%, but an embodiment of his own potential.
GSP is a stud, he's fucking Duke from GI JOE, okay, but fuck man, I puttin K on Penn.
That said... Great, great Bros.. in this thread, whom I'm just down with, and wanna meet someday. Don't worry I won't fucking disney this motherfucka up, but yeah.
Sorry Traz, I like Penn.
canadianhitman
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GSP is going to GNP that chubby Hawaiian shit-talker to a TKO stoppage.
This is going to be a tough one to call for sure...
GSP has already destroyed Penn at that weight class, and that's the reason Penn moved to a lower weight class...but the prodigy has improved greatly since....so did GSP for that matter. GSP reading the art of war and going through a transformation before his fight with the man that beat him with a "lucky" punch...he transformed completely...
To take sides, BJ Pen is an arrogant prick, whereas GSP is a gentleman warrior and the classiest fighter I've EVER seen...plus he comes from a Karate background...any guy who comes from a karate background and can STILL kick it with the big boys has my respect
I'm betting 1 million k on GSP
GSP has already destroyed Penn at that weight class, and that's the reason Penn moved to a lower weight class...but the prodigy has improved greatly since....so did GSP for that matter. GSP reading the art of war and going through a transformation before his fight with the man that beat him with a "lucky" punch...he transformed completely...
To take sides, BJ Pen is an arrogant prick, whereas GSP is a gentleman warrior and the classiest fighter I've EVER seen...plus he comes from a Karate background...any guy who comes from a karate background and can STILL kick it with the big boys has my respect
I'm betting 1 million k on GSP
Huricanne, are you putting up the fight in the karma bookie?
Can we have a million karma limit please?
Can we have a million karma limit please?
I'm going with Penn. He's been the only guy able to nullify GSP's ground and pound which is the staple of GSP's offense.
I think this one is going to be fight of the year material and I think this one will be decided by who gets the best of the standup.
I think this one is going to be fight of the year material and I think this one will be decided by who gets the best of the standup.
I think it will go the distance. They are both amazing and it will be interesting to see who takes it home. I am still favoring GSP though.
I can definitely see it going the distance. I forgot that this is a five round fight. I think that favors GSP, but I'm still willing to put Karma on Penn.
I like both of these guys and I think they are both in their prime and undoubtedly two of the best fighters on the planet.
I like both of these guys and I think they are both in their prime and undoubtedly two of the best fighters on the planet.
DONE!! for the boys
Hmmm, GSP is a respectable individual with much tallent, however that is what they all said about Tito the shit can fag! I had a good friend who played football with Tito at San Luis Obispo and said he was a real girl when it came to football. Couldn't give a good hit and got ran over when FB came out of the backfield to open up the holes. No one is unstapable. We are all ignorant just not about the same thing and this goes also with fighting. Watching the training that GSP did for this fight was interesting. He didn't have anyone in his camp that fought like Penn. Just guys he wanted to have him improve his game. Penn was a calky douch but now has learned he doesn't have much time left to make a name for himself that will truely be remembered. He has dexterity that is unique to any figther ever seen in the UFC. I would much rather see BJ or GSP vs. Anderson Silva... oh well enough of my bull shit. GSP should win but I am still going to bet on Penn.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/k...ge-st-pierre-9-pm-est-638608.html#post8670159
^^ its up to bet ..ill put up some of the undercard later ..
^^ its up to bet ..ill put up some of the undercard later ..
Fucking 4T kicking ass with an awesomest post. Hell, yeah, U just summed up what I was trying to convey. Tito... wow, still had he held that triangle a little longer on Machido, we wouldn't be walking on him as much. However, I have the same peception, which is so very, very partially true.
Alright stop stop lol....I stopped reading when you compared Tito fag ortiz to GSP...about the only thing Tito ever did that is worth anything is bang Jenna Jameson
hawaiianflash
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BJ Penn... Hawaiian represent!
2rd TKO
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hawaiianflash
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Alright... my real analysis of the fight:
Penn is one of the best "in the pocket" boxers that I've seen in the UFC. He hangs in the pocket and uses great defense to pick off his opponents shots. He has a deceptively quick jab that does a lot of damage. In almost every fight I've seen, his opponent's faces are swollen and cut, while his looks untouched. Penn looks soft at 170 and his best weight is at 155. Penn is extremely flexible and is very good at standing back up once taken down. I wouldn't be suprised if he fakes an "standup escape" and goes for a submission hold. GSP looks very strong and has decent boxing skills. He is good with the takedown and ground and pound and has excellent stamina.
In the first fight, it appeared that Penn ran out of gas (though I thought he won the fight). Tomorrow, he comes in better shape and wears GSP out with his jab. I expect a 4th round TKO from Penn.
Penn is one of the best "in the pocket" boxers that I've seen in the UFC. He hangs in the pocket and uses great defense to pick off his opponents shots. He has a deceptively quick jab that does a lot of damage. In almost every fight I've seen, his opponent's faces are swollen and cut, while his looks untouched. Penn looks soft at 170 and his best weight is at 155. Penn is extremely flexible and is very good at standing back up once taken down. I wouldn't be suprised if he fakes an "standup escape" and goes for a submission hold. GSP looks very strong and has decent boxing skills. He is good with the takedown and ground and pound and has excellent stamina.
In the first fight, it appeared that Penn ran out of gas (though I thought he won the fight). Tomorrow, he comes in better shape and wears GSP out with his jab. I expect a 4th round TKO from Penn.
ponyfitness
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GSP fights at 170 but could easily go at 185. He carries a lot more weight and power(and reach I think) than Penn does. He's also incredibly fast, strong and has all of the tools. If it was down to simple tale of the tape GSP all the way.
However, Penn has the attitude of the underdog. You can hear it when he is interviewed he literally wants to kill GSP, to break his face and snap his arm or leg like a twig. He is also a very dangerous underdog. I just love hearing him talk about how much he wants to kill the guy, it gets me fired up.
Results? I think GSP is just too strong. The only way Penn wins is if he catches a lucky shot or submission. I also would love to see it go the distance but I think 3rd round TKO by GSP.
However, Penn has the attitude of the underdog. You can hear it when he is interviewed he literally wants to kill GSP, to break his face and snap his arm or leg like a twig. He is also a very dangerous underdog. I just love hearing him talk about how much he wants to kill the guy, it gets me fired up.
Results? I think GSP is just too strong. The only way Penn wins is if he catches a lucky shot or submission. I also would love to see it go the distance but I think 3rd round TKO by GSP.
I'm down with your analysis. I often wonder if GSP begins to unravel when he gets hit.
night train
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Gotta go with the more disciplines fighter and the one with more to loose. GSP
The analyes here on both sides are outstanding. I mean no one can criticize the quality of the each post. I'm impressed. I do not know fighting as well as most of you, however, I'm reading a book by Gladwell, a genius fucking reporter, called the outliars. It is a book that well, reveals, so much of the subtle things we miss in observation. It is a book about natural genius. I really do not care who wins the fight. I'm just thrilled to see such an exhibition of 2 fighters with such physical genius, in this time that both honor their lineage based on their respective culture. I digress, sorry, anyway, it appears to me that BJ Penn, may not express himself as a genius, however, when it comes to combat, dude to me is a masterful genius. He just has an instinct that I cannot describe with words. However let me back up, and try to look at this with the wonder it deserves.
He comes from a family that owns 1/8th of Hawaii. He is the Prince of Aiea, I mean, if U had all that money, access to girls, wealth, prestige, recognition just from birthright, and yet U manage to have the will to be a fucking world jujitsu champion. If that is not a Comic Book type persona and testament to will, guts, and shattering the partial truth that wealth does handicap through lack of hunger. I'm fucking impressed. They will say well he is just talented, again words... that explain, but in reality do not.
Second when he fights, it reflects this paradoxical pattern of his identity, it does not appear that he hits overtly hard, for example in clips, it appears that GSP is a much stronger striker... what I'm noticing, again I"m a newb, is that in boxing, and striking, sometimes, due to a sinewy, relaxed, or as bruce lee would put it 'water' like motion, the hits appear not that damaging or powerful. Do You remember the fight between Meldrick Taylor and Julio Caesar Chavez. To the crowd it appeared that Meldrick was killing Julio, trading 4 to 1. However, the referee, knew better, in an interview he said, that while it didn't look like much, he could tell Chavez's punches were powerful enough to shatter bricks. While the fight may not be patterned in the same way, I believe, there are some correlations, I think GSP, is stronger, faster, and his style just looks more impressive. I will further that it correlates with his knight like persona. Which I honor and respect, to me he would be a very very valued friend. BJ's style, and his build, in my overgeneralization, reflects this hidden variable, that we cannot elucidate with words, I think he can take GSPs shots, but GSP, cannot take his. In the last fight, stand up was not a problem for Penn, but rather conditioning... more over I thought the fight was a draw.
Moreover, both represent their respective lineage, culture and homeland very well. I feel lucky just to watch this fight.
Last thing Machido over the other Brazilain.
He comes from a family that owns 1/8th of Hawaii. He is the Prince of Aiea, I mean, if U had all that money, access to girls, wealth, prestige, recognition just from birthright, and yet U manage to have the will to be a fucking world jujitsu champion. If that is not a Comic Book type persona and testament to will, guts, and shattering the partial truth that wealth does handicap through lack of hunger. I'm fucking impressed. They will say well he is just talented, again words... that explain, but in reality do not.
Second when he fights, it reflects this paradoxical pattern of his identity, it does not appear that he hits overtly hard, for example in clips, it appears that GSP is a much stronger striker... what I'm noticing, again I"m a newb, is that in boxing, and striking, sometimes, due to a sinewy, relaxed, or as bruce lee would put it 'water' like motion, the hits appear not that damaging or powerful. Do You remember the fight between Meldrick Taylor and Julio Caesar Chavez. To the crowd it appeared that Meldrick was killing Julio, trading 4 to 1. However, the referee, knew better, in an interview he said, that while it didn't look like much, he could tell Chavez's punches were powerful enough to shatter bricks. While the fight may not be patterned in the same way, I believe, there are some correlations, I think GSP, is stronger, faster, and his style just looks more impressive. I will further that it correlates with his knight like persona. Which I honor and respect, to me he would be a very very valued friend. BJ's style, and his build, in my overgeneralization, reflects this hidden variable, that we cannot elucidate with words, I think he can take GSPs shots, but GSP, cannot take his. In the last fight, stand up was not a problem for Penn, but rather conditioning... more over I thought the fight was a draw.
Moreover, both represent their respective lineage, culture and homeland very well. I feel lucky just to watch this fight.
Last thing Machido over the other Brazilain.
I'm honestly havin a hard time making up my mind. I want to put all my k on GSP, but if i put my k on Pen it will more than double lol
LOL U rawk... I know U hate Penn, and I can respect that position. Cause yeah dude does come off as way too full of himself, I understand the, get the fuck over yourself take U got on him.
What I dig is that U are evaluating this with an open mind.
Look What GSP did to Fitch, who It thought was fucking awesome.
Serra the seond time looked like well... was expected.
Matt who?
Moreover dude is all that U say bout him, u can tell he honors principle, and values people. He's the real deal.
That said, its gonna be awesome.
hawaiianflash
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Grew up in Wahiawa and went to Punahou. Proud UH rainbow warrior.
hawaiianflash
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+1 Good analysis right there. His relaxation allows him to fight in close quarters and have the reflexes to not get hit. He is faster than GSP because he throws his punches straight and with timing. GSP, like most other UFC fighters throws looping haymakers. Watch the Penn Sherk fight... it's an awesome example of the timing of Penn.
hawaiianflash
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Shoots manoots. Did you go to Iolani? WTF? I miss Rainbow Drive in hamburger steak and waiolas.
No cuz... I just have been like 3 times, not in last 7 years though.
I have family that used to live there, and like my old best friends, still keep in touch live in Aiea. Longest time Ive stayed is 5 months. When I took a semester off in undergrad. Yeah brah... Fucking Mainlanders, think this Haole, is some bad ass Moke, but fuck brah, I think he's Mahu -lol, big time j/k-
Mainlanders don't know bout that special subtle Mystique of Da Kind. LOL
Shoots... When I was there, I looked so local, it wasn't until this BukBuk would talk dat wahines would find out, that I'm a haole inside.
Yeah, we would lie and just tell them I went to MaryKnoll...LOL
I first learned Long board there, and moved to short board, Then when I moved out to Cali for Grad school, Ocean Beach has like some nice 3 to 5 footers.
Like only got out though less than 7 times in the last year I was there.
I gotta move my CRV from Vegas to here in Midwest like this month... its funny to have the Redline Board, hoisted up on CRV, heading back to the roots of the midwest. That image and the nonsense of it is me.
I may go back to visit some old friends lata this year. If U are there maybe we talk story at Baby Dolls...
Seriously, your analysis, is awesome. Like I agree, his punches are straighter.
His hands are quicker, and he's slicker than peeps realize.
I dunno who is going to win. However, this matchup, I'm just happy to watch.
What do U think bout Machido's chances?
GSP will win...it will go the distance, because both men will be very careful and will measure each other throughout the fight....Pen will get gased and lose again....history always repeats itself
hawaiianflash
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He is a decent all around fighter, but I don't like Machida. He fights off his back foot with a very wide stance. This gives him little power in his punches. He shows poor counter punching ability and prefers to move out of the way as his opponent strikes. He counters leg kicks with nicely timed strikes and follows his kicks with nice jabs. I attribute this to his karate background. Throws puches with is chin way in the air but is difficult to knock out because he leans back so much. Boring fighter.
chris302001
Banned
when are you gonna learn to bet on who I bet? You know I'm surgical with the main event!
GSP is the man. Dude looked way too strong. I did not appreciate his evolution as a fighter. His skill to pass the guard, his boxing was phenomenal. BJ did not appear strong enough, nor daring enough to trade... Love Penn, but his Jujitsu skills, his ability to box, paled in comparison to GSPs strength, and evolving confidence in his ability in himself.
GSP is not gonna be defeated for a long, long time, if ever. He may be the best pound for pound up to this point in time.
Wow.
GSP is not gonna be defeated for a long, long time, if ever. He may be the best pound for pound up to this point in time.
Wow.
U da man brah...
No joke.
My purty words pale to the truth of your vision.
Fuck he was never in the fight.
Usually rematches are similar to the first.
I wish. I love Penn, and He is still Prodigy like, but damn.
I'm glad I bet 200 on Machido.
So yeah... Ego feels the twinge of defeat.
Its funny, but these guys put their lives on the line, a testament to the wil and courage of both fighers, and the pressure of greatness riding on both of them, and I"m still in an NBA Jamz, 7th grade I got my ass kicked mood.
Great fighters, great fight. -deep breath-
Damn.
U are my boy...
Dude was shredded like comic book style.
Fuck, I was intimidated by my fucking flat screen. LOL
all u got to do is pick the favorited every time and they win 90% of the time.. not much science behind it ..(why the limit on ufc fights is so low on real gambling sites)
once in a while u will get an upset like forest over rampage but yea u get the idea
chris302001
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I didnt expect it to be so lopsided.....infact, i was worried i bet on the wrong guy as they were introducing them.....
chris302001
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gotta figure out how to get more peeps to bet on the rest of the card.....thats where the unpredictibility is....i dont think anybody expected this to be so onsided.....i figured it would be a split dec. again
I would say GSP totally tooled Penn. The division is empty for GSP now. Maybe he'll be a movin' on up.
Betting by popular concensus is boring. Few of us have the skill or balls to enter an octagon ourselves so we play the fights out in our minds in an attempt to live vicariously through combatants in our imaginations.
Betting by popular concensus is boring. Few of us have the skill or balls to enter an octagon ourselves so we play the fights out in our minds in an attempt to live vicariously through combatants in our imaginations.
they did lol .. all the favs won but jones .. that boy looks like he got potential and isnt boring like alot of ufc fighters..
it ok though.. its was fun and made it more enjoyable for everyone..i knew what i was getting into before i put them up, they always giveaways .. cant lose sleep ova fake money
+1
Courageous, yet not cocky, Focused... in spite of all the shit. I mean energetic, yet relaxed. Born and Trained. Yeah, dude.... I could so not do that.
The amount of focus was evident on both fighers demeanor, even while BJ was taking a beating... remained calm. Fuck man.
So much more like 'real' than boxing cause U gotta encompass so much more.
Yeah...
Anyway.
I seriously, in 2 years would not be surprised if GSP is at 205.
Dude is a phenom. Penn is Hall of fame. However... GSP has taken his combination of skill/power to another level in my book.
How bout Karate... getting a shout out tonight.
Cycles I guess...
chris302001
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lol i only betted on the main event cuz i didnt wanna bet any of smurfy's mil, but in my mind, I only got Parysian's and GSP's fight right....I woulda lost the other 3
You people should really listen to me when I make fight predictions...there is a reason why I bet 1 million karma on GSP
hawaiianflash
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It was over by the second round. Penn's corner was imploring him to fight rather than give him advice. Man did he look discouraged. Once Penn lost his confidence, GSP was able to land at will. This fight is a good example of why I still prefer boxing to MMA... 20 minutes of ground and pound is boring as fuck.
the only thing boxing is better at than mma is the paypout...lol at calling mma boring when compared to boxing
Man, U totally reversed my thinking... I agree.
How bout Mosley. Love him....
Just don't test him for tren.
Pacman vs Hatton Who do U like?
Thread Jack... Sorry Traz.
U were right.
However, all of us were let down, with that total domination of strength, skill, will, and BJ... I think was surprised how much GSP has evolved.
His evolution of skill I think is hidden through the guise of him just looking so much more powerful. I mean in the first fight it was not that obvious.
The second. Well its a sad night in Hawaii. Here too. -midwest-
Penn remains a Phenomenal Young Man who is world class. He has no reason to hang his head. Too be confident when U sense that U are against raw power tripling yours... is well... suicidal. That he is not.
Pen is a cocky son-of-a-bitch and he was completely dominated in every aspect of the agem, striking, ground and pound, takedows - GSP must've thrown him to the mat 7 times that fight - that will keep Pen from shouting out "I'm the best" like an arrogant prick for a couple of months.
It wont shut him up. Penn's camp is claiming that GSP was greased up with vaseline during the fight. They will probably formally protest the win.
redsamurai
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isn't there any good 145'ers and 155'ers for Bj to fight? I didn't see the fight, how did he look at 170?.....like last time, soft?
He was soft at 170. He was actually under the weight limit too. Penn looked pretty sluggish from the get go. It seems moving up in weight isn't his calling.
There are a wealth of fighters beneath 170 that would make good fights for him, unfortunately most of them are in Japan. Shinya Aoki, Joachim Hansen, JZ Cavalcante, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Eddie Alvarez, and Kid Yammamoto come to mind. In America there is Uriah Faber, Gilbert Melendez, Josh Thompson, and Mitsuhiro Ishida outside the UFC. He still has Kenny Florian to deal with in the UFC lightweight class. Give Tyson Griffin some time to develop and I think Griffin and Penn will make a good fight.
wtf? Pen's family were the ones who stopped the fight cause they were scared he'd get so badly hurt
GSP could've beaten Pen with his hands tied behind his back in a phone booth that night....
Here are the factors at play here:
Pen looked like he was scared shitless coming into the ring - he didnt look his usual confident self
When GSP walked into the ring, he instantaneously started running - he wanted to eat Pen alive
GSP looked in excellent shape, Pen looked like shit
GSP passed Pen's guard 11 times (Pen's gaurd has only been passed once in his career in UFC before this night)
GSP takedown success was more thna 90% that night with one of the best takedown defenders in the game
GSP out-jabbed Pen, something that usually doesnt happen
GSP had an awesome game plan and he played it out till the finish
Oh yeh, and let's not forget the vicious rediculously one-sided ground and pound that made Pen look like a rag doll being tossed around
GSP, on that night, was just too strong, too fast, too good for Pen...Pen knows it, he's just not man enough to admit it....GSP should bitch slap him and tell hm to shut up before he hands him another ass whoppin
I agree Traz to a point. Here's the thing, though, Penn is world class. Lets not take anything away from him. I remember when he first beat Matt Hughes, I rememvber seeing the interview with Hughes and thinking he's gonna crush this Local Boy. Well, Penn won in his jujitsu way. As far as Penn looking chiseled?
Genetics brah... when has that dude looked like anything other than an average dude.
Yeah, I never thought his strategy would be to attack at full force GSP, but to get inside and counter. Penn is world class. However, GSP had way, way, way too much strength. Hell I"m at 171 right now around 12ish and would kill too look like as comic book like as GSP. Dude's overall combination of strength, speed, athletic ability, as well as increases in mental dexterity, and skill in as striker, and jujitsu defense, made his passing the guard, well not a big deal.
Again in my limited perspective, I thought that GSP has evolved tremendously as a fighter... his increases in strength, measuring, timing, confidence, and just overall flow are impeccable and he has really, really taken the UFC evolution to another uncharted level.
I would say we might be looking at the next prototype of the how the Gracies first dominated... the evolution of the Overall figther whose overall strength in all areas. To me it just signifed, that to excel in Jujitsu, and boxing, and yet to lack the physical prowess is not gonna cut it at that level. One has to be totally complete. GSP has taken, this idea, in my mind to a whole separate level.
As far as Penn, bitching... imagine coming back to your isolated paradise where you are revered and you got beaten that badly. Atleast Tito, didn't get abused like Penn. Of course, since his family is the premier family there, they are gonna get his back. Hawaii my friend is a very, very proud culture. I do not justify making excuses in fact I'm disappointed.
However in my mind, its not so much that Penn is a weak fighter, GSP has evolved to another stratus.
Unfortunately it is highly illegal to grease up with vaseline. If GSP's corner was so certain of their dominance, they shouldn't have greased him. GSP's corner told GSP not to go to the ground with Penn during the break between round 1 and 2, so apparently they feared something about Penn's ground game.
Personally I think GSP was the better guy that night grease or not. The problem is you can't let a flagrant violation of rules slide as MMA is a sport, not a street fight. How do you determine when it is OK to let a guy cheat? GSP and especially his corner should be penalized. He's not the first guy in MMA to get caught greasing. Akiyama did it when he fought Sakuraba. The situation was similar. It is highly unlikely that Sakuraba could beat Akiyama ungreased, but Akiyama cheated, got caught, and suffered the consequences.
I think you are correct in asserting that GSP should shut Penn's camp up and give Penn the option of receiving another ass whoppin.
redsamurai
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just read about this at sherdog.........there was some greasing going on, but after the 2nd round one of the inspectors came in and told them to wipe off GSP's shoulders and upper back. Doesn't look it was that much, but it could have caused Penn to have problems on his back getting hold of GSP's arms and shoulders. I dunno.........anybody have a link to the fight? supposedly GSP dominated standing, sitting, lying down, spooning.........so this probalby has little relevance.
A little grease goes a long way and I don't think a quick rub with a towel will remove it. You can scrub it with soap and water and vaseline will still take considerable effort to wipe off. I know this from my many girlfriendless years. You can see the fight at MMA Videos And News, UFC Videos, Pride Videos, K-1 Videos, And EliteXC Videos from MMATKO.com..
Do you think Penn will ask for a rematch?
I mean he got killed.
I sure would not.
I do think you make a great point, however, man he got killed so bad.
I mean, I'm not like a huge Penn fan, but I think it will take a couple of wins before people move on from that fight.
redsamurai
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ok, just watched the fight. Ariel you were right, Penn looked very concerned for his well being before the fight even started. He was never in that fight. Could GSP really have gotten all way up in that head before the first punch was thrown? I dunno, seems Penn may have had something else going on.....that's not like him. Just look at their first fight. And BJ was the one who really had nothing to lose since he's not supposed to be at 170 anyway. So if anyone should have come out relaxed and ready to rumble, it should have been him.
Now about the grease thing, you could actually see after the second round the dude go into GSP's corner and tell those guys to cut that shit out. Technically Penn does deserve a rematch because that is cheating no if's and's or but's. However, grease didn't help GSP dominate standing up and in the clinch. You could argue that once he took Penn down it "could" have prevented Penn from getting a good grip with his legs in trying to ride up for an armbar or triangle or whatever. But GSP crushed him so badly it looked like Penn didn't belong in the ring with him in ANY facet of fighting. GSP is too strong at 170, especially for a guy coming up from 155. Ironically, if you ask me, Penn may have done better had he actually come in at 155. He's much more aggressive and quicker at that weight. GSP was going to be stronger than him regardless, so he should have come in lighting quick. I don't understand why he kept letting GSP clinch with him....???
Now about the grease thing, you could actually see after the second round the dude go into GSP's corner and tell those guys to cut that shit out. Technically Penn does deserve a rematch because that is cheating no if's and's or but's. However, grease didn't help GSP dominate standing up and in the clinch. You could argue that once he took Penn down it "could" have prevented Penn from getting a good grip with his legs in trying to ride up for an armbar or triangle or whatever. But GSP crushed him so badly it looked like Penn didn't belong in the ring with him in ANY facet of fighting. GSP is too strong at 170, especially for a guy coming up from 155. Ironically, if you ask me, Penn may have done better had he actually come in at 155. He's much more aggressive and quicker at that weight. GSP was going to be stronger than him regardless, so he should have come in lighting quick. I don't understand why he kept letting GSP clinch with him....???
Penn can go for 5 rounds at 155. He seems faster to me too at 155. I think Red Samurai makes a great observation in asserting that Penn might have done better fighting GSP weighing 155. At 170 Penn often seems to gas fast.
Red, great idea.
Penn will go back to 155.
I would recommend for his fans not in Hawaii, to shut the fuck up.
I would think all that training would be humbling.
I dunno
Love the guy, even if he got mauled. However, he did get mauled.
Okay....
JC
How long will GSP stay at 170?
I see him moving up in weight in one year.
He will then take on Silva at 185.
Silva will win.
GSP's evolution will have gone the distance.
They will fight twice.
Silva both times.
2010.
Yeah I was the first one to call it here on EF remember that when you are watching the fight.
LOL
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