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GH + Test will be the New HRT

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Seriously...
 
it is / and it isnt

I have been doing ALOT of reading on HRT / GH lately

Dependent on where you go; the dosages and compounds vary radically from clinic to clinic

and unless you have an 'in' on a rejuvenation clinic or illegal source.......its going to be hard to get a script or impossible for HGH

GH is only approved for aids and children with dwarfism
 
it is / and it isnt

I have been doing ALOT of reading on HRT / GH lately

Dependent on where you go; the dosages and compounds vary radically from clinic to clinic

and unless you have an 'in' on a rejuvenation clinic or illegal source.......its going to be hard to get a script or impossible for HGH

GH is only approved for aids and children with dwarfism

off label with anabolics and HGH is a tricky situation.

i predict the money-greed factor will expand the indications and approved
uses for both. the markup on these particular drugs are akin to breakfast
margins in the restaurant industry.

the more approved uses, the bigger the potential market. oxandrolone approved
uses has already expanded and most are quite ambiguous!

i'm scripted hgh , test and nandrolone. i have also been scripted oxandrolone.
a shooting incident left me without a spleen and the left lobe of my liver. i'm
prone to encapsulated bacterial infection and sudden weight loss. my anavar
script can be justified. not to mention, my docs are the best in the country and
they can pretty much do anything.
 
I'm predicting within 50 years from now or less it will not be uncommon for a large percentage of men over 40-50 to be looking as good as the young guys if not better.

Stallone is a shining example of what GH and Test can do. You can tell from a few things in that picture that he's up there in age, but you can also tell he's in fantastic shape. There are ALOT of hot girls that would still fuck a guy like that regardless if he wasn't a star being in that kind of shape.

There's a VERY attractive over 40's woman that trains at my gym that is dating a personal trainer there over 62. I mean this woman gets me fuckin hard she's that attractive. She was probably unbelievable in her 20's. This guy isn't as cut as Stallone, but he's lean, similar size and tanned and I would bet money he's on GH and Test because for a 62 year old guy his skin radiates a certain amount of youth. Granted, this guy is a life long exercise/nutrition freak like Stallone and I would say this guy's actual genetics at best are mid-range, but it just goes to show what consistent training/ quality diet and GH+Test use can do.

The media and especially doctors need to get over the hyperbole surrounding steroid use and get this shit rollin. GH+Test is probably the fountain of youth for men. Probably women too at lower doses GH and estrogen or whatever they use for hrt.
 
Ghetto

I dont think stallone really got the right game plan till maybe the last 5 years

had he been doing whatever hes doing now the whole time, I d bet hed look even 100% better.
 
Its funny sooo many people say gh is a waste. This is true in your 20's but as you get older - its the best thing since sliced bread. I love it...Im getting ready to fire up another run in about a month or so. Ive done several 6 month runs, I'm planning on going on it for at least a year.
 
Its funny sooo many people say gh is a waste. This is true in your 20's but as you get older - its the best thing since sliced bread. I love it...Im getting ready to fire up another run in about a month or so. Ive done several 6 month runs, I'm planning on going on it for at least a year.

I just started a run. 2 IU day 7 days wk. Was your run everyday or 5 days a week? If so why?
 
I can't help but put Stallone at one of the tops for a man of his age, THAT is EXACTLY what I want to be like when I get to his age. I don't give a fuck what damn society says about gear, its how well you take care of yourself and not abuse the shit!! Stallone has made many great movies just like Arnold, etc. One thing about him, he has stayed committed to his health!! Damn props to him!
 
Yes stallone looks incredible. Ofcourse he looks better than arnold. I doubt arnold even trains anymore. If he does its nothing serious. I would love to see arnold blow up again. Boy the fucking media would have a field day with that one.

On the GH note, If I were going to use it it would just be 2iu ED 5 or 7 days wk. I seriously doubt that would be enough to do bad things GH can do like wake up dormant cancer cells if you have them (not to be confused with "giving" you cancer which it doesnt do).
How long has that GHRP 6 or whatever its called been out? That seems like a very viable option also.
Now when I think HGH i cant help but think of that poor bro on here that started taking it and it totally fucked him up in like a week or two, brain damage i think, ect ect. Most likely he got something that was not good hgh, or just had a super rare reaction to it. I forget the thread but I hope he's ok.
 
EMPEROR

the thing that makes it crazy is;

had he being doing it right since his 40's I wonder how hed look now?

:)
 
I just started a run. 2 IU day 7 days wk. Was your run everyday or 5 days a week? If so why?

I've always done a 5 on 2 off run. Did research on it and it seemed to me to make the most sense (cost effective, etc.) Most guys that I know that do gh adhere to a 5 on 2 off schedule.
 
i predict the money-greed factor will expand the indications and approved
uses for both. the markup on these particular drugs are akin to breakfast
margins in the restaurant industry.
.

Apparently HGH does not cost that much to make I here.
Relative to what it goes for now.
 
Its not gonna be, it already is. Aging and low test is a quality of life issues treatable by both unless your natural levels are already over common range, which is unlikely. You dont have to have under lab minimum to qualify for HRT, at least not at my clinic.
 
I feel your lucky then Zyg

With Test its quite possible to be ignored by a doc for they simply think the low end range may still be normal hence not qualified for TRT

The HGH is even harder do to since it is considered being a "off label use" of the drug for age related issues.

LB pretty much nailed it, you need to find the right docs and that usually = $$$ plus their perception of YOU.
 
I feel your lucky then Zyg

With Test its quite possible to be ignored by a doc for they simply think the low end range may still be normal hence not qualified for TRT

The HGH is even harder do to since it is considered being a "off label use" of the drug for age related issues.

LB pretty much nailed it, you need to find the right docs and that usually = $$$ plus their perception of YOU.

I agree 100%. Why would I perscribe test for you??? Your range is 300-1000mg/dl and your lab work says your at 350. Your in range.
Unfortunatley I would believe thats the case 99% of the time with Doctors. Unless you go to an endo or a HRT clinic.
I also heard HGH isnt that much to make. But we all know the price is insane. Even when you order multiple kits at a time, its still nuts.
 
I agree 100%. Why would I perscribe test for you??? Your range is 300-1000mg/dl and your lab work says your at 350. Your in range.

For the same reason the endo prescribes my wife t4. She is "within range" but on the low end, it exacerbates weight gain and depression. As I already stated, this is a quality of life issue and one where doctors can treat with various hormones to improve your quality of life as long as they are not doing harm.

That being said if I am at 350, cant get rid of stubborn fat, cant concentrate, focus and lack overall energy and am depressed my doc could do many things. He could slap me on anti-depressants (which many do instead of looking at hormone balance), he could treat with diet aids, diet counseling and all sorts of things. The fact of the matter is I dont have to be under the lab reported range to be treated any condition if its affecting your quality of life.
 
If you want a really cost effective gh program try this- ipamorelin (or any of most of the ghrps) at 100 mcg and cjc-1295 (really mod grf 1-29) at 100 mcg on an empty stomach before bed. 10-15 min later have 1-2 iu of GH, then wait at least 15-20 min before eating (i.e. if you have a pre-bed protein shake or whathaveyou). The ipa and cjc stimulate a GH burst and the Gh itself kicks it way up. The body recognizes it as "natural" production and it's a huge "burst" of GH. It's kind of like kicking a football, then, when it's in the air, shooting it with a rocket launcher! I've tried Gh at 2-3 iu per day for 6 months and got relief from joint pain and helped a bit with fat loss. But you can actually "feel" this shit when done the way I've just described. From that measly 1 iu of gh and cheap dose of peptides I get the bloated hands and so forth that I'd only see on higher GH doses normally. Sometimes I have to take a day off to let the sides go down a bit. If you hunt around everything is cheap enough these days.

p.s. This is just my experience and what seems to work for me after trying several other protocols. Sometimes I'll have ipa and cjc in the morning or pre-training too.
 
Just started with test (androgel 10 days ago) will switch to test cyp in about a week (as per endo) .... and have been on hgh for about 3 months ... feel great .. sex drive is through the roof last week and cant wait for the rest of the effects to come ... i agree with this should be the new trend of hrt
 
I've always done a 5 on 2 off run. Did research on it and it seemed to me to make the most sense (cost effective, etc.) Most guys that I know that do gh adhere to a 5 on 2 off schedule.

I don't do 5 on 2 off. I do 7 on 0 off and I wish I could do 8 on 0 off. LOL
I also do 5IU's per day. Feels so good!
I just can't wait until I can do legs again! Then I am going to do 10IU's 3 x week IM. All in the right leg that has attrophy, it is 2" smaller than the left.
 
I don't do 5 on 2 off. I do 7 on 0 off and I wish I could do 8 on 0 off. LOL
I also do 5IU's per day. Feels so good!
I just can't wait until I can do legs again! Then I am going to do 10IU's 3 x week IM. All in the right leg that has attrophy, it is 2" smaller than the left.

10iu's IM....bro you must be banked up if our doing domestic. Hell, at 2 iu's I been doing daily sure ain't something most people could afford. If I ever did that it would sure have to be with Chineese HGH. Which I can't see it being equal to Domestic made IU per IU
 
stallone is a freak anyways tho,..not many can have his body even with all the drugs there is
 
Hayez thats not true

if you look at Stallones various stages there were times where he was not doing it right

NOW he is.
 
Hayez thats not true

if you look at Stallones various stages there were times where he was not doing it right

NOW he is.
he has been ripped to shreds almost his entire career...now he is huge and ripped...he alwasy had better gentics then most ever would....not 300mg tren ed 100mcg t3 200mg masteron 100mg var ed would get me that way....lol well maybe :) fuck i may just try that out
 
he has been ripped to shreds almost his entire career...now he is huge and ripped...he alwasy had better gentics then most ever would....not 300mg tren ed 100mcg t3 200mg masteron 100mg var ed would get me that way....lol well maybe :) fuck i may just try that out

bro, i'm with omega. genetics can be trumped. it doesn't take ass loads of
chemicals to do it either. it's a matter of PROPER training and attentiveness
to detail.

superior work ethic and superior plan beats talent 100% of the time. in the iron
game, talent is defined in terms of genetics. this maxim holds true in every
aspect of life.

i employ hundreds of people and i'll take a hard workin creative type with
moderate or low talent over a super talented prima donna any day of the
week.
 
Oh hell no way domestic. Gettin chinese @ crazy prices though.

10iu's IM....bro you must be banked up if our doing domestic. Hell, at 2 iu's I been doing daily sure ain't something most people could afford. If I ever did that it would sure have to be with Chineese HGH. Which I can't see it being equal to Domestic made IU per IU
 
bro, i'm with omega. genetics can be trumped. it doesn't take ass loads of
chemicals to do it either. it's a matter of PROPER training and attentiveness
to detail.

superior work ethic and superior plan beats talent 100% of the time. in the iron
game, talent is defined in terms of genetics. this maxim holds true in every
aspect of life.

i employ hundreds of people and i'll take a hard workin creative type with
moderate or low talent over a super talented prima donna any day of the
week.
ill still stick to what i think...he stays super lean and hes in his mid 60s and jacked more to shit then ion his early days...guy has freak status and mixing in drugs
 
I'm with omega he didn't even get in shape for the latest rambo movie...
 
I'm with omega he didn't even get in shape for the latest rambo movie...
that wasnt his part of the movie to be the man...his part was the old school veteran retired in thailand..he was modest and unspoken..
 
my HRT doctor has me on 7 days week 1mg GH, so thats 3iu 7 days a week...based it off my IGF levels and my symptoms, and that Im bigger than most of his patients so he feels it doesnt hurt to bump up GH and T levels more than what even other doctors would say are "proper" doses...I get 200mg T a week and 1mg GH day x 7 days week, but I just use it 3x week IM. I also was up to 8 grains of Amor Thyroid a day but didnt do jack, so weaned back down to 2 grains and will slowly go to 1 and maybe off if I cant tell a difference...its all different for different doctors, as I have a friend who came back with low T #s and the doc (different than mine) gave him freaking 400mg week of T plus 150mg week Deca for his joints! Holy batman HRT....and you read on boards even here guys getting winny and var from their HRT doc...

As for Stallone, yea he looks good as heck in that pic, and I think he looked cool for the last Rocky movie, I think it was the last one...where he is power cleaning, keg slamming, kettlebells, deep squats, etc loved that "gotta drop bombs"...however I gotta point out that for some of us, unless you are in the short mans club, f-ck that id vote more bad ass for a chubby drunk Tank Abbot or heavyweight power or olympic lifter over a Stallone anyday...what is he in real life, maybe 5'5 or some shit? Same with pro bodybuilders Ive met before, wide as hell but look like midgets for gawds sake....I guess being a jacked little man is better than being a fat or skinny little man, but when it boils down to being an Alpha male....sorry the 5'5 ripped actors and wide load midget bodybuilders, are good for nothing more than looks....probably never excelled at high levels in collision sports like football, hockey, wrestling, nor other sports of great skill like hoops obviously, LAX, etc...and they probably wouldnt be worth a hill of beans in a street fight or if someone tried to mug their ass or take their girlfriends purse....yea ol Rocky looks good and I love his movies, get me all fired up, but then you see a guy like that in person and its a buzz kill...if this were Mad Max days or Caveman days the poor bastard wouldnt live long...but yes, holy smokes would I love that vascularity!!! legs looking a little skinny in them jeans though, get your ass in the rack son and on a platform!
 
LB your back i thought you left us!

dont leave us again lol

dam bro, i aint going anywhere! kathy and i took a mini vacation to
the mountains.

i trained at a hillbilly gym and everybody stared at me the entire time.
couple peeps asked kathy if i was a UFC fighter or a pro wrestler lol.
old skool 1st generation life fitness equipment mostly, but i made it work.
 
You make a difference and impact

your ideas and good vibes and perspective help alot of people

Plus your eye candy for the Ladies and the Guyladies lol and we like ladies here
 
Needto you too Id like to say as well...... a Very big impact for the better

Elite is the only place out there where we have so many gifts and resources on the account of all the peace that we have now
 
You make a difference and impact

your ideas and good vibes and perspective help alot of people

Plus your eye candy for the Ladies and the Guyladies lol and we like ladies here

thanx brutha! i'll cut a fool over in C & C, but i take training and AAS very
seriously. most peeps come here looking for answers and the wrong advice
could have some not so pleasant consequences.

i have learned a lot from this board and from you personally. i feel like we
all have an obligation to give back. it's obligatory in a sense, but ultimately
we do it because we want to and we love the iron.

lol @ eye candy!
 
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