Genetics....

[nygiants]

I have 3 Black Guys in my gym. They don't juice..never did. I know some guys who know them really well and they swear by it. I believe it. They don't have the typical characteristics of a juicer. Their gains aren't up and down...just steady up...One of them is a freak....id say about 6' 3" 240, im gonna say about 3%BF, if that. I was told his older brother and sister are the same way. Ive never seen anyone this strong. Ive been training 1/2 my life.....im 37....and I have to stay "on" to look 1/2 as good as these guys...

I don't really have a point here. Just wanted to say...that it really sucks!! that some guys have these kind of genetics and some have to juice....like myself because we have no choice, if we want to look good. I've tried the train hard naturally thing, clean diet, morning and after workout cardio...no dice..hate the way i look...i get leaner i lose my mass.....i have mass i have too much BF.....

Im sure many of you have these kinds of guys in your gym....

Ok im done Whining..

 

[Greatercow]

hehe people have to stop the jealousy maybe he looks amazing but hes dumb as an oyster but yeah it does get frustrating when i see people who put in half the work i do and get better results i get your point

 

[Tatyana]

Some people are more intelligent, some are more attractive, some have better hand eye coordination, some move faster..........


It just seems in the ability to build muscle BBers have the hardest time accepting that this is true.

 

[lookinfit75]

Some people are more intelligent, some are more attractive, some have better hand eye coordination, some move faster..........


It just seems in the ability to build muscle BBers have the hardest time accepting that this is true.

As usual Tat, your eloquence is exquisitly succinct.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Black people have amazing genetics, specially in The USA.

 

[79steeler]

Some people are more intelligent, some are more attractive, some have better hand eye coordination, some move faster..........
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It just seems in the ability to build muscle BBers have the hardest time accepting that this is true.

Then there's Tatyana who has great genetics, is beautiful, and intelligent.

 

[needtogetaas]

Some people are more intelligent, some are more attractive, some have better hand eye coordination, some move faster..........


It just seems in the ability to build muscle BBers have the hardest time accepting that this is true.

And some get to hop in the sack with tat.

 

[79steeler]

And some get to hop in the sack with tat.

We should all be so blessed Needto.

 

[needtogetaas]

We should all be so blessed Needto.

I know.

 

[drsketch]

dont take this as racist but never compare yourself to elite genetic black dudes. Some people say they were bread this way but they do have good genetics.

 

[the elite addict]

I agree, many do seem to be much more muscular naturally. They also have huge cocks. You see more and more white women going black.

 

[Varga]

It's not true, there are many white dudes big as a house. It's all genetics. I have many black dudes in my gym and none have earth shattering looks or power. My buddy is black about 6'4 245 with nice upper body and skinny ass legs...LOL

 

[dabuffguy]

Black people have amazing genetics, specially in The USA.

Natural selection occured through slave importation 300 years ago. The biggest and strongest survived. The weak got sick and died. The average black american is genetically more fit for survival than any other race.

 

[bbtnik]

Not saying one can't look great without drugs. But everyone on the Olmpia stage is on steroids. So you can tell if someone is really using them or not. So no if they look like you claim they are juicing but they probably have great genetics and also know how to train and diet as well. But you can tell a juicer from a non juicer no doubt. And you on the other hand need to realize you have just as much potential. You just aren't doing something right!!

 

[dabuffguy]

Not saying one can't look great without drugs. But everyone on the Olmpia stage is on steroids. So you can tell if someone is really using them or not. So no if they look like you claim they are juicing but they probably have great genetics and also know how to train and diet as well. But you can tell a juicer from a non juicer no doubt. And you on the other hand need to realize you have just as much potential. You just aren't doing something right!!

No they're not, they use celltech and no-xplode.

Those guys are freaks if you ask me. It's awesome, but it is really freakish.

 

[chazk]

lots of black dudes at my gym have a basketball player build , Lean and ripped with wide shoulders and chicken calfs.
some are built up but still lack lower leg development
I love standing next to the brothers in shorts after some nice standing calf raises with the calf pumped extending down to my ankles below the sock and viens ripping out of them i know genteically I was blessed with a low insertion point and diamond shape.
But hell if they are gonna show off the shoulders I might as well show off my calves

 

[Tatyana]

Calves are always a sticking point.

If you haven't got good calves, you are never going to be a good competitive BBer.

I think next is probably back.

 

[automaticj5]

DaBuff -- Has it exactly right...

 

[Cardinal Slin]

3%bf, I seriously doubt that bro. He may looked ripped to shreds but I really doubt he could maintain 3% for very long at all and I doubt he could get to that size, maintain it and be at that bf for very long.

PS. Wrong forum but it seems my posts are the ones that get noticed.

 

[drsketch]

3%bf, I seriously doubt that bro. He may looked ripped to shreds but I really doubt he could maintain 3% for very long at all and I doubt he could get to that size, maintain it and be at that bf for very long.

PS. Wrong forum but it seems my posts are the ones that get noticed.

idk, i seen some blacks that have looked about 3% bf, fucking shoulders as wide as min with a 28" waist

 

[lilj888]

Natural selection occured through slave importation 300 years ago. The biggest and strongest survived. The weak got sick and died. The average black american is genetically more fit for survival than any other race.

that actually makes alot of sense true or false.

still doesnt explain there bigger weiners tho.

 

[lookinfit75]

It had nothing to do with natural selection actually. Slave owners/traders bread the biggest strongest males with the biggest strongest females to ensure that there offspring where bigger and strong, regardless of whether they were related or not which is why African AMERICANS have a higher degree of certain health issues and genetic defects along with the physically larger qualities. One that comes to mind is Sickle Cell Anemia but they are also more suseptible to high blood pressure and cholesterol issues.

 

[slamminshaun]

This conversation sounds familiar...it's been going on for decades!

CBS FIRED JIMMY THE GREEK; SILENT ON RATHER SLUR

 

[Tatyana]

It had nothing to do with natural selection actually. Slave owners/traders bread the biggest strongest males with the biggest strongest females to ensure that there offspring where bigger and strong, regardless of whether they were related or not which is why African AMERICANS have a higher degree of certain health issues and genetic defects along with the physically larger qualities. One that comes to mind is Sickle Cell Anemia but they are also more suseptible to high blood pressure and cholesterol issues.

Breeding programs really are natural selection, just natural selection that is directed by humans.

 

[dabuffguy]

that actually makes alot of sense true or false.

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That is absolutely true. The majority of slaves died before they ever got to America or brazil. (brazil was actually the largest portion of the slave trade, claiming about 80% of the african slaves)

 

[OneBreath]

There is another possibility. There is evidence of barley harvesting in ancient africa (Nubia) that dates as early as 16,000 BC. The equivalent formations of agricultural societies elsewhere are mainly attributed to around 10,000 BC.

So africans essentially have a 6,000 year advantage over other ethnic groups when it comes to a carb based diet. Is 6,000 years a long time? Was 4,000 BC a long time ago? Fuck yeah

Just throwing it out there.

 

[youngmoney]

Calves are always a sticking point.

If you haven't got good calves, you are never going to be a good competitive BBer.

I think next is probably back.

except dexter jackson just won the mr olympia.. and he had the smallest calves on stage.. (after Dennis Wolf... who placed 4th!)

 

[drsketch]

except dexter jackson just won the mr olympia.. and he had the smallest calves on stage.. (after Dennis Wolf... who placed 4th!)

how does that fit with this thread? We are talking about natural lifters/bbers not ones chemically enhanced.

 

[ALIN]

I have 3 Black Guys in my gym. They don't juice..never did. I know some guys who know them really well and they swear by it. I believe it. They don't have the typical characteristics of a juicer. Their gains aren't up and down...just steady up...One of them is a freak....id say about 6' 3" 240, im gonna say about 3%BF, if that. I was told his older brother and sister are the same way. Ive never seen anyone this strong. Ive been training 1/2 my life.....im 37....and I have to stay "on" to look 1/2 as good as these guys...

I don't really have a point here. Just wanted to say...that it really sucks!! that some guys have these kind of genetics and some have to juice....like myself because we have no choice, if we want to look good. I've tried the train hard naturally thing, clean diet, morning and after workout cardio...no dice..hate the way i look...i get leaner i lose my mass.....i have mass i have too much BF.....

Im sure many of you have these kinds of guys in your gym....

Ok im done Whining..

in my years ive seen MANY people like this with just blessed genetics.

 

[lookinfit75]

Breeding programs really are natural selection, just natural selection that is directed by humans.

Sorry Tat but I don't think there was anything "natural" about the abhorant tatics that were used to create bigger and stronger slaves throughout the Americas but that statement will inevitablly turn this into an ethical debate. One which has traversed many times and never lead to anything positive so I digress.

 

[HammerNail]

Yes well this thread simply points out what I have known right along......GOD IS EVIL!

 

[lookinfit75]

Yes well this thread simply points out what I have known right along......GOD IS EVIL!

There we go... the nice and positive comments are starting to come in.

 

[airsmith2k]

I agree, many do seem to be much more muscular naturally. They also have huge cocks. You see more and more white women going black.

that big cock myth isnt even true ive heard from many chics and black guys themselves....i see alot of genetically blessed black guys yet i see alot of really fat out of shape ones and ones that are like stick figures....i bet you a guy that is 100 percent russian prolly has better genetics for bodybuilding then a black guy has

 

[Tatyana]

Sorry Tat but I don't think there was anything "natural" about the abhorant tatics that were used to create bigger and stronger slaves throughout the Americas but that statement will inevitablly turn this into an ethical debate. One which has traversed many times and never lead to anything positive so I digress.

It doesn't mean 'natural' in a social way hun, I am using it in a purely biological way, and it would have had an effect on the gene pool.

By no means does this justify the actions.

Natural selection is the process by which favorable heritable traits become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavorable heritable traits become less common, due to differential reproduction of genotypes.

Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, such that individuals with favorable phenotypes are more likely to survive and reproduce than those with less favorable phenotypes

 

[chazk]

Sorry Tat but I don't think there was anything "natural" about the abhorant tatics that were used to create bigger and stronger slaves throughout the Americas but that statement will inevitablly turn this into an ethical debate. One which has traversed many times and never lead to anything positive so I digress.

The biggest black slaves were captured and sold to farmers
the new slave owners had the biggest most elite genetics of african tribes to breed with the black women slaves

Imagine walking into a big room of 100 slaves for sale and saying ok everyone man 6'4 stand up all the women that are 5'9 stand up
everyone else leave .
Looking over the men you pick the largest most muscular guys
you look at the women with the best legs and most muscle
you purchase them and off to the farm to breed

Thats how slaves were picked just like a farmer goes to the market buys the biggest nicest looking bull he can and the best looking cows for him to hump to make nice looking babies

got to remeber these salves were captured put on boats the ones that got sick were pushed overboard then ones that made the journey had to have good immune systems and be genetically superior to the others to survive

" only the strong survive " Imagine being worked ,whipped beaten,
shackled you were strong or you were killed.
When women gave birth to new slaves if they were not strong workers and could handle the lashing and beating they would die
the black men today that are the relatives of former slaves have some very strong bloodlines

 

[lookinfit75]

It doesn't mean 'natural' in a social way hun, I am using it in a purely biological way, and it would have had an effect on the gene pool.

By no means does this justify the actions.

Natural selection is the process by which favorable heritable traits become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavorable heritable traits become less common, due to differential reproduction of genotypes.

Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, such that individuals with favorable phenotypes are more likely to survive and reproduce than those with less favorable phenotypes

I know what natural selection means (I vaguely remember Charles Darwin and his pioneering work on the Galapagos Islands). I put the quotation marks on the world natural to emphasize just how unnatural the process which was used by certain human beings to weed out the weak truly was. Nature's way takes aeons (ok maybe not that long) to produce the radical changes that slaves traders/owners accomplished in a few hunderd years. Natural selection is done by nature and what happened to the African slaves was in way an act of nature IMHO.