FRONTLOADING: Reality or Myth?

[Zyglamail]

So....Everyday is better than Mondays & Thursdays?

Yes, but within reason. No sense shooting less than a CC though, however if your cycle is large enough you may find you have to shoot more than 2x a week to avoid too large a depot. Shooting more frequently combined with larger upfront doses go hand in hand and why so much of this thread is out of context, and hence makes frontloading look unappealing. Additionally, not taking into account the size of the depot, shooting too much at once can make you feel like shit.

 

[Andy13]

Andy's view poitn may be a little different than mine but frontloading is not the whole concept and cant be properly utilized without taking other techniques into consideration. If you try and frontload by doing a once every 4-5 day or worse a once weekly injection you are setting yourself up for failure. Maybe I am reading your posts wrong, but you views on frontloading (and hell, everyone who argues it for that matter) are used out of context with the "big picture" and in doing so, its easy to see why there is doubt as to its effectivness.

For example when I frontloaded last cycle I shot test and EQ EVERY DAY for the first 2 weeks, not one big injection. There is more too proper frontloading than simply doubleing the dose and calling it good.

Na HA! Zyg!!

There's this homeless guy I see every now and then. I don't like to ignore people when walking down the street etc.. I've never given him a dime.. But i've probably spent a gazillion hours shooting the shit with him... I did get him a free membership to the gym (as I think about it). Anyway, enough with the background information.. This guy wanted to front load some test too... I told him how I would do it.. By doubling the doses for the first three shots then falling back from there.. He wasn't comfortable with that. So what I think he ended up doing was dividing the front end load out over two weeks like you do. This guy is a freakin' math genius so he figured it out some how that by doing this plan, he wouldn't over-shoot his target mg/week.. (son of a bitch did this without excel even (I think)).

Anyway, he's loving his cycle.. So I guess it's all good.

Andy

 

[Pat Mycroch]

How does a homeless guy afford test?

 

[wilson6]

They give it out along with canned goods at the food shelters.

W6

 

[##spiderbaby##]

Yes, but within reason. No sense shooting less than a CC though, however if your cycle is large enough you may find you have to shoot more than 2x a week to avoid too large a depot. Shooting more frequently combined with larger upfront doses go hand in hand and why so much of this thread is out of context, and hence makes frontloading look unappealing. Additionally, not taking into account the size of the depot, shooting too much at once can make you feel like shit.

This is what happened to me some time ago. I frontloaded EQ and it was my second cycle. I frontoaded 1600mg of EQ in the first 3 days along with test cyp I belive at 1200mgs and tren. The results were not good in my case. I became sick rather quickly and ended up ending the cycle after 2 weeks because I felt so ill. I attribute it all to frontloading that much and being a newbie. So a word of caution. Dont over do it. Theres always time for more, later.

 

[Pat Mycroch]

They give it out along with canned goods at the food shelters.

W6

Hmmmm, this homeless gig doesn't sound half bad. Free food and free test... what more is there to life?

 

[Twitched]

You should listen to what Wilson6 is saying, he is making sense as well.

I'm a mathematician, so I thoroughly understand the whole "theory" behind frontloading. The question is.. is it necessary? Is it necessary to shoot gallons of gear into your body just because you cant wait a week or two (if it even takes that long) to reach a blood concentration quasi-equilibrium? Of course frontloading gives superior gains. You're using more gear. More gear means more gains.

In addition, like wilson said (who is making a lot of sense), things like depot size, etc, effect the way the "system" works. It's not going to be a pure logarithmic decay over a fixed halflife. We wish it was so cut and dry.

I personally think a mini up taper (by not frontloading) of a few weeks is a good thing.. do we really need to smack our systems with a baseball bat?

And strength gains can very well be a simple function of leverage. Water in your muscle increases the distance between fiber and bone, hence giving it more torque across the joint. And no one can tell exactly how much intra-muscular water they are holding. I dont care how much liquidex is bieng taken.

why not front load, and back load while you are at it? I bet the gains would be MUCH better..

 

[NFG123]

You should listen to what Wilson6 is saying, he is making sense as well.


why not front load, and back load while you are at it? I bet the gains would be MUCH better..

Twitched is an expert at "backloading." Just ask his boyfriend

NFG

 

[Twitched]

Twitched is an expert at "backloading." Just ask his boyfriend

NFG

Thought you wanted that kept discreet

 

[Dan2232]

damn....damn....damn....damn.....damn!!!!!!!!!

I thought frontloading was done in one day. Oh well, next time I'll know. Don't feel like doing 8cc's or more in one day again like I did at the beginning of this cycle.

I did get great gains really early though !! Thank you to everyone who cleared this up. I learn something new every day on this board.