FRONTLOADING: Reality or Myth?

[The Bigfella]

BigFella,

What do you define as a long-acting depot? Give an example.

W6

Anything where the dose is released over a number of days like EQ, Deca, Enanthate, Cypionate is suited to the front-loading technique.

Bigfella.

 

[guards]

Front loading is a myth. It makes people hold a ton of water fast. Int their heads they transalte that water to weight... weight = muscle... truth of it is muscle gain si slow and steady on a low dose cycle and on a high dose cycle... water on the other hand you can gain quickly.

I agree

 

[SofaGeorge]

Myth? I like your logic backing up your claims, I guess all of us who have frontloaded and got strength gains in the cycle much much sooner, which in turn equates to more muscle over the course of the cycle are all full of shit. Thanks for clearing it up for us, I guess I will just go back to old school cycling and ignore the positive results I, and many others have had, because you think its a myth.

Zyg, I've tried front loading. I've never finished a cycle where I front loaded that I walked away from with extra muscle. All I ever saw was it made me hold water... my strength went up fast... and then after the cycle I had the same muscle gain that I would expect if I HADN'T front loaded.

Maybe your results are dramatcially different than mine, but to date I haven't gotten the kind of results that make me believe there is a benefit to front loading.

 

[Zyglamail]

I for one dont gain water, additionally the majority who have tried frontloading know the difference between water and muscle. I for one dont use weight as a means of monitoring gians, I use strength. For many on a typical sysle of long esters they dont start to see benefits until week 3-5 where the majority of those who have done frontloading report strength gains within 1-3 weeks. Like you said, your system may be a bit more stubborn when responding, but the majority of those who have tried it swear by it. So saying its a myth is a little bit of a stretch.

Im not going to run over all the prinicples again, but I personally find the longer the cycle the more my gains diminush at the end, becuase of that I like to keep my cycles under 10 weeks. In order to get the most benefit frontlaod allows me to make better gains up front which overall increases the effectivness of the cycle. Sure some dont resond like that, some can make slow steady gains on long cycles and a frontlaod may not be the way to go, but remember we all respond a bit different.

 

[SUST-MAN]

I'm going to frontload. From this thread, i have learned that some people say frontloading gives great benefits....others say it is the same.

Either way, IT CANT HURT!

Thanks guys!

 

[wilson6]

"Anything where the dose is released over a number of days like EQ, Deca, Enanthate, Cypionate is suited to the front-loading technique."

Check out some of the clinical papers on enanthate for example. While the parent drug is released over a number of days, the peak blood levels of test occur within 12 - 24 hrs following the dose. I'm not sure I buy the front load concept per se, I think what most are experiencing is a huge increase in blood concentrations of the AAS and probably an effect on secondary receptors beyond the AR and/or complete saturation and activation of the AR with an large initial dose.

I'll dig around for some citations.

W6

 

[go_hard_80]

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[Zyglamail]

"Anything where the dose is released over a number of days like EQ, Deca, Enanthate, Cypionate is suited to the front-loading technique."

Check out some of the clinical papers on enanthate for example. While the parent drug is released over a number of days, the peak blood levels of test occur within 12 - 24 hrs following the dose. I'm not sure I buy the front load concept per se, I think what most are experiencing is a huge increase in blood concentrations of the AAS and probably an effect on secondary receptors beyond the AR and/or complete saturation and activation of the AR with an large initial dose.

I'll dig around for some citations.

W6

The highest concentration from a SINGLE injection peaks in 12-24hours, but a cycle consist of much more than one injection does it not?

Bah, im not going to bother recounting this idea, but its obvious there are many still who do not graps the concept because they simply do not understand the basic elements and fundamentals.

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Of course frontloading is a good idea, you get blood levels up quicker where they are going to be rather than slowly build them up. Do the math. No reason to have sub-optimal blood levels the first few weeks of a cycle. Frontloading (double dose) all long acting esterfied steroids is a good idea in my book.

Just like slowly tapering off juice isn't really useful, slowly building up isn't either. Eat your veggies, get plently of sleep, look both ways before you cross the street, and FRONTLOAD!

 

[Andy13]

The highest concentration from a SINGLE injection peaks in 12-24hours, but a cycle consist of much more than one injection does it not?

Bah, im not going to bother recounting this idea, but its obvious there are many still who do not graps the concept because they simply do not understand the basic elements and fundamentals.

I agree..

Well... I have a post over on Platinum (best of Elite) that deals with front loading in excruciating detail. Why not fork over a few bucks and go check it out?

The one's who oppose it don't understand the fourth grade mathematics behind it's logic.

Hey Zyg-- these are the guys who will oppose front loading yet "start a cycle with test-prop to get things going.."

It kills me.

Andy