For Those Of Ya'll that Use the Evil Drug Cocaine...

[GoldenDelicious]

The only answer is 100% legalization of everything.

i agree with your points bar this one.

while legalisation will bring down the price and remove the criminal element, full legalisation of the more addictive drugs (ie coke, heroin) is unfeasible since they will inevitably kill the user. these drugs are subject to patient tolerance and so a higher dose is needed to produce a high each time. inevitably you will reach lethal levels, or have an accident.

furthermore if legalised only a pharmacist will be allowed to dispense, and ill be damned if i was giving a heavily, perhaps terminally addicted person higher and higher doses. not happening. cant see many of my peers doing it either.

the other point of view is the economic rationalisations and decreases in productivity if drug use was more rampant. england banned opium imports a few hundred years ago since many englishmen were spending all their time in opium dens rather than being productive members of the community, affecting foreign debt (indian).

as i said above, the holland style approach is good, and backed up by studies and literature

of course those people who sell alcohol are lobbying - hard - against such an implementation

anyway, supervision of family and a knowledge of lethal drugs will do for now

 

[tuc biscuit]

what about having drug use/alcohol/sex education as a class in schools for a year when kids are like 13? all of them are a lot more important than a lot of stuff they are taught especially in this day and age

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I agree with you. but who does the quality controlling? Do you see this as being unregulated?

Think of all the alcohol products on the market. Yet easily regulated as to content and purity.

The same mechanism can be put in place for any substance, and with the massive decrease in drug war expenses, (from enforcement to imprisonment) the addition of new regulatory personnel is a worthwhile trade-off.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

i agree with your points bar this one.

while legalisation will bring down the price and remove the criminal element, full legalisation of the more addictive drugs (ie coke, heroin) is unfeasible since they will inevitably kill the user. these drugs are subject to patient tolerance and so a higher dose is needed to produce a high each time. inevitably you will reach lethal levels, or have an accident.

Same is true of alcohol. We've survived. And while cocaine is terribly addictive (preferred to food by rats - I am sure you know the experiment) - not every cocaine user will become an addict.

furthermore if legalised only a pharmacist will be allowed to dispense, and ill be damned if i was giving a heavily, perhaps terminally addicted person higher and higher doses. not happening. cant see many of my peers doing it either.

I can't see you or your peers doing it wither. That's why I would sell cocaine in retail stores a lot like liquor.

the other point of view is the economic rationalisations and decreases in productivity if drug use was more rampant. england banned opium imports a few hundred years ago since many englishmen were spending all their time in opium dens rather than being productive members of the community, affecting foreign debt (indian).

Consider also the huge numbers of people who do not ocntruibute because they are imprisoned on drug charges. (More of a US problem perhaps) Not only are they unproductive, but it costs $40,000US per year to "house" them.

At least if they have to buy their drugs from a legitimate operation, they have to earn money to buy them.
(yes, some people prefer crime to earning money. This doesn't change whether or not drugs are legalized).

as i said above, the holland style approach is good, and backed up by studies and literature

of course those people who sell alcohol are lobbying - hard - against such an implementation

anyway, supervision of family and a knowledge of lethal drugs will do for now

Actually, the biggest anti-legalization lobby is by far the pharamaceutical industry, which would ratehr see you on Zoloft for your depression than cocaine.

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

Merck pharmaceuticals has huge stores of cocaine. I can't say that I know why other than it can be used as an anesthetic - but the only surgeries I have heard that used in lately are eye surgeries (local anesthetic on that).

Not sure if that merits huge stores of it.

When my father worked for them in quality control, they would make jokes about needing to do more quality control tests on the coke.
There actually was a guy whose job involved testing a random sample of the coke (chemically, not himself) to see if it was being cut - they frequently found employees were stealing it and then trying to leave filler in its place.
Things I never would have known if it weren't for dad.

Granted, this was back in the early '80s, so I have no idea if it is still the case.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Merck pharmaceuticals has huge stores of cocaine. I can't say that I know why other than it can be used as an anesthetic - but the only surgeries I have heard that used in lately are eye surgeries (local anesthetic on that).

Not sure if that merits huge stores of it.

When my father worked for them in quality control, they would make jokes about needing to do more quality control tests on the coke.
There actually was a guy whose job involved testing a random sample of the coke (chemically, not himself) to see if it was being cut - they frequently found employees were stealing it and then trying to leave filler in its place.
Things I never would have known if it weren't for dad.

Granted, this was back in the early '80s, so I have no idea if it is still the case.

Merck became Merck because of cocaine.

In the Us the only corporation allowed to import coca leaves is the Stepan corporation - owned wholly by Coca-Cola which still uses coca leaves (though de-natured) for flavoring.

 

[Bullit]

Never done it... scared that I'll like it too much.

 

[jerkbox]

never touched it, never will.

ditto.

 

[tiger88]

high only lasts like 20 minutes



matt the sky walker . about your thing to legalize it ....i am in favor of less laws but so many crimes are committed since people are fucked up and do something they woudlnt do while no messed up...


ok....... so many ppl rob stores and they are high as hell on coke. meth. crack or dust etc

drugs contribute to crime

same with booze.....



war drugs is hard to win

 

[tiger88]

or they rob someone to get more money for more drugs...



they do anything for the fix