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BNG said:
oh my.. valid point!
velvett said:
Nooooo. I mean the morning after pill. The high dose of birth control pill. Not the abortion by pill (though religious folk would say they both are). Though I guess I have less strong feelings about the RU486 because you have to take it so early on.
One more thing on the subject (ugh, I can't stay away) -
While I am against abortion in most cases, I don't necessarily support legislation controling it. I don't think there's any way to really protect the people I think should have the option (rape victems, etc), while limiting the rest. You basically would force rape victims into a situation where they would have to go to the police to have access (a tall order for some), and you might also get more women claiming rape when they weren't to get access to the option. It would seriously be a mess, a legal nightmare. I also think we'd see a return of back alley abortions. because I personally have no religious moral objections, they are objections based purely on observations, i'd rather it stay legal than push women into making desperate choices.
Interesting subject 
for the most part, if you have a brain, you have an opinion.
I actually was able to participate in a biomedical ethical debate about end/beginning of life issues from a pagan perspective at the magickal congress. What's interesting is that as community hospitals are closing due to funding cuts, increasingly it's the Catholic church that's taking over for community hospital services, which means it's the Catholic doctrine that sets the biomedical ethical standards. There is NEVER an excuse for the use of the morning after pill in the Catholic doctrine, folks, and even abortion as a byproduct of a procedure to save the mother's life is still considered murder under their doctrine.
There's a very real fear, particularly in some parts of the country, that someday the question may not be so much what your personal feelings on beginning (or end) of life are, but what OTHER people/organizations feel.
While we all had our own opinions, the one thing we could agree on is that both of these issues are a personal matter and no one should have the right to impose their personal ethics onto another individual.
My personal belief? I believe the decision lies solely with the woman, period. Nuturing and bringing life to fruition is up to her. I also believe in reincarnation and the true immortality of the divine soul. In other words, birth control and abortions be damned, you can't keep someone from being born who was meant to come to this plane.
Shall we talk about end of life measures and how they do not believe in using unconscious pain relief for unremitting agony, that instead you are to counsel the patient that suffering is good for the soul? They do, you know. Their doctrine, folks: "However, painkillers that cause unconsciousness need special consideration. For a person not only has to be able to satisfy his or her moral duties and family obligations; he or she also has to prepare himself or herself with full consciousness for meeting Christ." http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df80eu.htm
Let's talk about bone cancer and prepping to meet Christ, shall we?
for the most part, if you have a brain, you have an opinion.I actually was able to participate in a biomedical ethical debate about end/beginning of life issues from a pagan perspective at the magickal congress. What's interesting is that as community hospitals are closing due to funding cuts, increasingly it's the Catholic church that's taking over for community hospital services, which means it's the Catholic doctrine that sets the biomedical ethical standards. There is NEVER an excuse for the use of the morning after pill in the Catholic doctrine, folks, and even abortion as a byproduct of a procedure to save the mother's life is still considered murder under their doctrine.
There's a very real fear, particularly in some parts of the country, that someday the question may not be so much what your personal feelings on beginning (or end) of life are, but what OTHER people/organizations feel.
While we all had our own opinions, the one thing we could agree on is that both of these issues are a personal matter and no one should have the right to impose their personal ethics onto another individual.
My personal belief? I believe the decision lies solely with the woman, period. Nuturing and bringing life to fruition is up to her. I also believe in reincarnation and the true immortality of the divine soul. In other words, birth control and abortions be damned, you can't keep someone from being born who was meant to come to this plane.
Shall we talk about end of life measures and how they do not believe in using unconscious pain relief for unremitting agony, that instead you are to counsel the patient that suffering is good for the soul? They do, you know. Their doctrine, folks: "However, painkillers that cause unconsciousness need special consideration. For a person not only has to be able to satisfy his or her moral duties and family obligations; he or she also has to prepare himself or herself with full consciousness for meeting Christ." http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df80eu.htm
Let's talk about bone cancer and prepping to meet Christ, shall we?
txbondsman
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nefertiti said:
"you people", which I guess I'm one of, didn't either. I addressed it specifically. I said, I didn't think that a woman who WAS being responsibe and for whatever reason she became pregnant, i.e. condom broke/leaked, she's on the pill and still became pregnant, diaphram failed to work, contraceptive foam failed to prevent pregnancy, etc. I find it to be too cruel to make her carry a baby full term and then to have to give it up. I don't think that's fair. This complely disreguards the woman who doesnt use protection and counts on abortion for the first means of contraception...
Nefertiti, the term "you people" is so inflamatory, couldn't you have chosen better words, especially since I did address this issue? How does this sound, "You people need to read the posts"....
not to good IMO....
