first cycles do not consist of multiple compounds or high doses once and for all

[liftshard]

OK...so which is it, ONE drug or THREE drugs? I had 8 amps of sust250, 10 200s of deca and 100 dbols. I was going to do 1 amp sust/wk, 200ml deca/wk average, and 2x10 dbol ED for the first 5 weeks and roll in some Clomid towards the last few weeks of what would be 10 weeks total. Then, I read people saying "use sust only at 500/wk." Or, "use 250/5 days." Etc.

Also, there's a big difference between a 18 year old kid who wants big arms for the beach and someone like me who's 32 and has been in the gym for 10 years and has actually gained 60lbs naturally (albeit, no, it was not all muscle). I understand the logic of keeping it simple, but I only have the sauce that I have to work with.

Plain and simple. Joe Rookie does his first two cycles with 4 drugs in each cycle. Chances are that 1-2 of them worked great, another was ok and the last didn't do much at all except cause side effects. Overall his results are good, so what does he do next time? The same four drugs...even though two were basically useless he'll never figure that out because he's taking too many things to figure out what's doing what. I always take a drug by itself or with some other known quantity the first time. I took Fina last time - great effects but it made me lethargic all the time. So I know now if I combine it with other drugs and feel lethargic, it's definitely the Fina.
Besides, getting big is really very simple....eat well, train hard, rest and add some juice. I don't see how small doses of 4-5 drugs is better than moderate doses of 2-3 drugs. It's the totality that matters.

 

[chesty]

I agree with the logic of using less compounds to determine which works for you. To that end the ones that have always worked are test/dbol/sust/eq/winny/a-bombs/primo/anavar/ and a few others.

With that in mind I would choose 2 or three from that list based on current goals and go from there.

My last mass cycle was 1000mg sust a week, 30mg dbol weeks 2-6, and 400mg deca/week.

If new to this I would stay at 500mg test/ 30mg dbol and 200-300mg deca.

 

[liftshard]

so your advice is to go with sust/deca/dbol concurrently? I don't have 500mg sust/wk nor 300mg deca. I can do 2x10 dbol ED for 5wks, 250mg sust/wk for 8wks, 200 deca avg/wk for 8wks. I have seen multiple recommendations to use ONLY sust, to use sust+dbol, or sust+deca, or dbol+deca. I mean, "2 or 3" compounds is a nebulous term. I only HAVE 3 and my issue is to use all three at once or choose two based upon the notion that 3 might be overkill for a 1st time user and that it will be difficult to assess which compound may be responsible for adverse side effects. FWIW, the most voices seem to be behind removing deca because of deca dick and the potential for gyno that appears to be higher from it. I used the Dbol alone for a week and noticed only improved recovery and some back acne flairup, which has always been problematic for me, even clean. So, I make sure to wash off better and it seems to have subsided. The pump from Dbol is great, I can see the difference in the mirror after a week and gained 4-5 lbs. My appetite for food seems to have gone way up.

As for gyno and other negatives, I don't see these doses as being high enough, even if I do all 3 together, which was my original plan, to cause much if any side effects unless I'm unknowingly terrifically prone to them. Baldness isn't an issue for me, but I have noticed that I haven't been as interested in sex since the dbol started, but when I am, Mr. Happy doesn't want to go away. Take that FWIW. My thing is that I don't want to waste the stuff and it seems that if I break this into one cycle now and another in 6 months or whatever, that it would be easier to get Dbol from sources than it would be to get another round of legit deca or sust.

If I can get some quality feedback on when to expect symptoms onset from these various products, I can better assess how they're affecting me. So far, I've figured that Dbol kicks in after 4-6 days, and it seems to be independent of dosage. I felt no more "anabolic" on days I took 2x20mg than I have on days taking 2x10mg.

 

[chesty]

The doses that you say you can manage with your supply will work quite nicely.

As for possible gyno any excess in androgens could cause gyno even if you never had it before, I always use nolva, proviron, and clomid during my cycles. If you don't have it or don't think it is going to be a problem. Then just have it handy. Arimidex is good also.

Go with all three, you can't go wrong.

 

[liftshard]

When would you recommend I dose the deca, at the same time as the sust or a few days later so they are staggered?

 

[novicebuilder]

Great Post

I wish I had noticed this before I posted my newbie question for sure. I have spoken with others who have stated that for a first cycle, you don't need massive amounts. I would much prefer to err on the light side.

I am new. I plan to try supplements. I don't want to kill myself or grow boobies. I just want to look and feel good, and yes, I want fast noticable results.

I think my problem with this whole thing is bad advice from the beginning. My friend has a brother who he says took Anadrol and only anadrol. My friend claims that his brother got huge and ripped in a matter of weeks. I no longer believe my friend and I darn sure ain't trying anabol.

to sum up, my MO from here on out is to read more and post less, and visit my local gym today to get started doing this the right way. thanks for the help.

Thanks!

 

[chesty]

I would never recommend Abombs for a first cycle.

You can run the deca and the sust at the same time. Not a problem. Or stagger if you like jabbing yourself alot. Also, if you are gonna grow boobies, there gonna come from 250mg of an androgen or 1000mg. Either way, just be cautious and use the anti e's

 

[princeton]

I had a source recomend abombs for the first cycle. my friends dog ate 25 of them and didnt have any effects. guess they were fake!

 

[anabolicmd]

Ok, Im not a respected vet but here is a versatile formula for the ultimate newbie cycle. Just combine one from each category, A B and C:

category A:
Deca 200 mgs/wk 1 - 10
EQ 250 mgs/wk 1 - 12

category B:
Winstrol (inj) 200 mgs/wk 1 - 8
Test 200 mgs/wk 1-10

category C:
D-bol 15-25 mgs/day wk 1-10
Var 20-30 mgs/day wk 1-12

 

[liftshard]

I decided to forego the deca and stick to Sust + dbol.

I'm going to try to lay hold of a few more sust amps so that I'm dosing 250mg E5D. That'll average to 375mg/wk. The dbol I've stuck with 20mg ED. I tell ya, tho, that I felt like I needed more mgs/day of these pink pentagons. I got a monstrous pump the first week after DB, but I ran my dosages in a pyramid...went up to 2x20mg ED but then I came back down a day or so before my first stab w/ needle because I figured it was overkill. I'm going to go off DB after either 4 or 5 weeks and I'll probably taper it to 10mg ED in the last few days.

For my next cycle, I plan to use the deca at 250/wk or so with DB at probably 30mg ED, like a 2x15 dose. If I get enough tabs, I might go 2x20 and pyramid up to 2x30, as I've seen some recommend, but I also don't want to fry my liver or overuse, especially since DB is notorious for giving right back the "gains" that you get.