Feeling very lethargic and low drive long after cycle ends

[Texas Monster]

Cycle On And Cycle off.......

It is the only way to truly recover from a cycle.

It is possible to keep your gains too. You just have to work that much harder when you come off the stuff to keep em.

People who go TRT are the ones not truly ready to commit to using AAS properly.

 

[Kbordner]

Cycle On And Cycle off.......

It is the only way to truly recover from a cycle.

It is possible to keep your gains too. You just have to work that much harder when you come off the stuff to keep em.

People who go TRT are the ones not truly ready to commit to using AAS properly.

Don't agree with that last statement at all. So only people who do PCT are using AAS properly? I am just putting up my findings after a long time in this game. IMO most people who run PCT lose most of their gains. Some people don't they just lose part of their gains but if I run 300 mg/wk of Prop after a blast I keep it all. I also have a problem with the huge amount of supps recommended for PCT. They cost more than the cycle! The 4 weeks of Prop will cost you $50 tops.


55 and still fucking dangerous

 

[Nelson Montana]

I am sure I will get blasted but I think PCT is a waste. Your friend needs to run test in between blasts and fuck the PCT. OTC test boosters don't work. They never have. DAA is bullshit. That is the truth. Tell him to run 200 wk of whatever test he wants. He will come back to life. He is 41. PCT ain't going to cut it.


55 and still fucking dangerous

This is complete nonsense. Sure DAA alone isn't enough, especially is the dosage isn't high enough, but there are things that can be done other than just going back on.

The problem was a bad PCT. Clomid sucks. Using BRIDGE prevents the very symptoms the OP is experiencing. Listen to people who have good results, not people who tell you something they never did is a waste.

 

[digit0x]

He should talk to doc about HRT IMO.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Don't agree with that last statement at all. So only people who do PCT are using AAS properly? I am just putting up my findings after a long time in this game. IMO most people who run PCT lose most of their gains. Some people don't they just lose part of their gains but if I run 300 mg/wk of Prop after a blast I keep it all. I also have a problem with the huge amount of supps recommended for PCT. They cost more than the cycle! The 4 weeks of Prop will cost you $50 tops.


55 and still fucking dangerous

At 55 you've resolved yourself to being on HRT and that;s fine. But younger guys want to recover. And should. 300 mgs is on the high side to be healthy but if you can tolerate it, go for it. But it's a little like the guys who says he can drink a pint of scotch a day and hold down a job and do fine. Maybe so. But it isn't good advice to recommend it to others.

 

[liffalot]

Cycle On And Cycle off.......

It is the only way to truly recover from a cycle.

It is possible to keep your gains too. You just have to work that much harder when you come off the stuff to keep em.

People who go TRT are the ones not truly ready to commit to using AAS properly.

I agree generally with what you're saying, but blasting and cruising isnt the 'wrong' way to do steroids, its just a method that requires a certain amount of fanatic devotion........meaning that you better hope nothing changes because if you ever want to come off, you're going to be in a world of shit.

In response the posters arguing against PCT - whether or not DAA and natty test boosters work is a matter of brand. Saying they all dont work is assinine - its not a matter of opinion, many of them can and do work. For people blasting and cruising, of course they arent going to work - nothing is going to be able to recover your body after years of constant cycling, so its really no fucking mystery that they dont work for you.

In any case, when done correctly, PCT works. If the fact that you dont feel like you want to die after cycle isnt enough to satisfy, blood tests can prove it.

 

[R1 Psycho]

Props to everyone here taking the time to post helpful replies...

I do believe that his tough recovery wasn't due to any one thing..
Maybe PCT wasn't done properly, but I'm sure his personal and professional life had a lot to do with it as well..

It always helps to hear the various opinions of experienced guys...

Another question for you guys...

Using high amounts of Cialis for prolonged periods...can that create a sort of dependency issue for the person?
Could it have a negative reaction to performing without it?

cheers

 

[liffalot]

Props to everyone here taking the time to post helpful replies...

I do believe that his tough recovery wasn't due to any one thing..
Maybe PCT wasn't done properly, but I'm sure his personal and professional life had a lot to do with it as well..

It always helps to hear the various opinions of experienced guys...

Another question for you guys...

Using high amounts of Cialis for prolonged periods...can that create a sort of dependency issue for the person?
Could it have a negative reaction to performing without it?

cheers

I would imagine that like most things long term use will cause down regulation and form dependency, but after being off of it for a while it should return to normal with no problems....

It wouldnt surprise me at all if it wasnt even substance related given what you've said about where hes at in life right now.

 

[stevesmi]

IMO most people who run PCT lose most of their gains. Some people don't they just lose part of their gains but if I run 300 mg/wk of Prop after a blast I keep it all.

if by gains you are talking about water then you are right.

but its totally normal to lose some strength and size after cycle and its healthy too, gotta let the body recover and catch up.. keeping 'gains' as you put it is gonna cripple your heart health. you look like a big dude in your pic, and i will bet you are stronger than me and a lot of guys on here. but i also bet that your conditioning and heart health is poor if you have stayed on 300mg of prop as a blast a week. your RBC's and heart/liver lipids are gonna be strained, your cholesterol is gonna be in bad shape.

the supplements like hcgenerate help with good cholest levels.. n2guard help with kidney, liver and heart lipids.. these aren't bullshit supplements at all.. they work. if i don't take my n2guard on a tren or even test run i get crippling pumps and i feel like shit. its a must use on cycle!! most certainly NOT bullshit as you say above trust me

 

[Texas Monster]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Well said

And what you loose in water weight you quickly gain back in lean muscle when you keep training hard and eating clean. You have built muscle memory within your cns system and it is very realistic to reach your on cycle lifts while off cycle with proper time off.

You get to go back to being healthier and your body responds by adding more muslce mass. You can not outsmart your own body. If your heart, liver, and kidneys can not handle the load you will not put on one once of muscle period.