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I travel around 13,000 miles a month... Don't want to be mean but I am starting to see more and more fat folks who cant fit in there seats. First of all buy two seats as if you sit next to me I will call ya out and second of all put the fucking fries down.. Next fat person who tells me they diet I will shoot, truly disgusting and all of a sudden they seem everywhere...
 
I was at Costco Saturday and saw a woman that had to be in her early 30's driving one of those tart carts around because she was too fat to walk. Her fat was spilling out of the side of the seat between the seat and the arm rest. I don't know how people can let themselves get that way. I'd hate to die from something so avoidable.


I'm extremely fat. Ask anyone here.
 
could be but how does one look in the mirror and not say wow i need to lose weight for health and the likes.... also i do see many small kids overweight with overweight parents and that to me is wrong.
 
all those fat dead people end up on my embalming table
I tell you it's a bitch hustling that dead weight around
company pays for gym memberships
 
One of my clients has a son in medical school that just started working on their cadavers. She said he got a man that was over 400 lbs. Nasty disecting that.
 
flexed1 said:
I travel around 13,000 miles a month... Don't want to be mean but I am starting to see more and more fat folks who cant fit in there seats. First of all buy two seats as if you sit next to me I will call ya out and second of all put the fucking fries down.. Next fat person who tells me they diet I will shoot, truly disgusting and all of a sudden they seem everywhere...
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sometimes people just grow up fat.. there parents take them out for dinner all the time.. or feed them poorly.. and feed them all the time.. letting them eat whenever..

I mean shit it's tragic.. but I don't blame most people for being fat.. I think like smokers.. they wish they could be not fat.. not be a smoker..

not love food so much.. not loving smoking so much.. etc etc..
 
I just wish airplane seats were bigger. I'm a big guy and fucking hate flying because of how cramped it is. If I am sitting between people I have my shoulders overlapping them the whole time.

Fuck the 5'9" 120lb fucks that the seats are designed for. Small people should die!!!

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
So, if you are on a flight and there is a very obese person sitting right next to you and their fat is physically intruding on your side of the seat taking away your space. Do you have grounds to move to a different seat? What about in an emergency? How would you get out of your (window) seat quickly and leave the plane in case of a fire?

I'd hate to die on a burning plane, just because I got stuck next to a fattie.



b0und (really)
 
Last August I flew for the first time in 27 years. I thanked the thin lady next to me for not being a fat smelly man. True story.
My return flight wasn't so pleasant, but no fatties involved either.
 
jnevin said:
I was at Costco Saturday and saw a woman that had to be in her early 30's driving one of those tart carts around because she was too fat to walk. Her fat was spilling out of the side of the seat between the seat and the arm rest. I don't know how people can let themselves get that way. I'd hate to die from something so avoidable.


I'm extremely fat. Ask anyone here.
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thats like the heavyweights getting handicapped parking spots
 
Actually, I was reading that a new study found something like 59 genetic markers for obesity, proving that obesity is strongly caused by genetics.

So, despising someone for having that body type is like despising them for the color of their skin.
 
jnevin said:
I was at Costco Saturday and saw a woman that had to be in her early 30's driving one of those tart carts around because she was too fat to walk. Her fat was spilling out of the side of the seat between the seat and the arm rest. I don't know how people can let themselves get that way. I'd hate to die from something so avoidable.


I'm extremely fat. Ask anyone here.
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Costco is where fat people go to meet other mates! I got to get cheap big as bags fo chicken!! lol
 
heatherrae said:
Actually, I was reading that a new study found something like 59 genetic markers for obesity, proving that obesity is strongly caused by genetics.

So, despising someone for having that body type is like despising them for the color of their skin.
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stick to law - its what you put in your mouth and how you move about. pulllllllllleasssssssssssssssseeeeeeeee
 
heatherrae said:
Actually, I was reading that a new study found something like 59 genetic markers for obesity, proving that obesity is strongly caused by genetics.

So, despising someone for having that body type is like despising them for the color of their skin.
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you can be more prone to it, but it still comes down to calories in vs calories out
 
lol - at HR using the term "cause" - I'm disappointed - as an attorney you should understand "initiators", "promoters", necessary, proximal and sufficient causes...if not - time to revisit causation :)
 
Hey Flexed1 :wavey: GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN!!!!

You know, I am very much on the fence about obesity. I know all about genetics (I am the most slender fit person in my entire family on BOTH SIDES) but I also know about proper nutrition, basic physiology and proper training. So whose to say what % of what factor is solely responsible?

When I started taking aquatics classes I was stunned to see the number of REALLY REALLY obese people (I am not talking fatties I am talking OBESE) that were regularly busting their asses (there is no way you can "cheat" in the water as every single movement yields SOME resistance) yet never made any progress. But dollars to donuts you know these very same people were clueless about proper nutrition as I found after brief chats with them.

I also regularly watch a TV series about a hospital in NY (I believe it is called Brookhave or Brookdale) that specializes in helping the morbidly obese and their hidden cameras show many residents cheating every single time. I mean these people KNOW they are going to die. The hospital gives them meals and fitness programs designed for their specific needs, close medical supervision - removing all the of guesswork. And what do many do?

CHEAT by having takeout delivered!!

I do not understand how ANYONE could continue to sabotage themselves when they have all the tools to succeed. I mean, most never get this sort of help.

This leads me to believe that this self-destructive behavior is not about cosmetics at all. These people truly WANT to die. Problem is they chose a slow, torturous death that is blatantly clear to everyone that sees them, no different than anorexia.

Sad, sad, sad....
 
Southwest Airlines: two seats if your overweight but not sure of the cutoff.
 
string_bean00 said:
you can be more prone to it, but it still comes down to calories in vs calories out
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Absolutely. You can go to a dietician they will tell you your EXACT metabolic rate (it's science), you adjust from there. No excuses.

My sister lost over 150 pounds doing this. She IS a vegan, but we'll let that go because transformed herself, even stepped on a treadmill and whatnot. Crazy, but it works.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Hey Flexed1 :wavey: GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN!!!!

You know, I am very much on the fence about obesity. I know all about genetics (I am the most slender fit person in my entire family on BOTH SIDES) but I also know about proper nutrition, basic physiology and proper training. So whose to say what % of what factor is solely responsible?

When I started taking aquatics classes I was stunned to see the number of REALLY REALLY obese people (I am not talking fatties I am talking OBESE) that were regularly busting their asses (there is no way you can "cheat" in the water as every single movement yields SOME resistance) yet never made any progress. But dollars to donuts you know these very same people were clueless about proper nutrition as I found after brief chats with them.

I also regularly watch a TV series about a hospital in NY (I believe it is called Brookhave or Brookdale) that specializes in helping the morbidly obese and their hidden cameras show many residents cheating every single time. I mean these people KNOW they are going to die. The hospital gives them meals and fitness programs designed for their specific needs, close medical supervision - removing all the of guesswork. And what do many do?

CHEAT by having takeout delivered!!

I do not understand how ANYONE could continue to sabotage themselves when they have all the tools to succeed. I mean, most never get this sort of help.

This leads me to believe that this self-destructive behavior is not about cosmetics at all. These people truly WANT to die. Problem is they chose a slow, torturous death that is blatantly clear to everyone that sees them, no different than anorexia.

Sad, sad, sad....
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Wow this is the dumbest ignorant post you've ever made. no offense.

THESE PEOPLE TRULY WANT TO DIE!?!

get off your fucking rocker lady, they are ADDICTED, the ONLY thing they have in life is food.. THAT IS ALL.. that is IT!!! that is all that comforts them..

they want to die.. lolol.. they probably want to be loved.. they probably wish they didn't crave food so badly.. they probably wish they could walk easier.. and move around more freely..

saying they want to die is just plain fucking ignorant BM, if they wanted to DIE, they wouldn't do it by eating pizza.. they'd get a fucking knife and be done with it..

that is just like saying SMOKERS want to die..

no dummy.. they want to QUIT!

geezus.. fuck at this ignorant ass statement..
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
Wow this is the dumbest ignorant post you've ever made. no offense.

THESE PEOPLE TRULY WANT TO DIE!?!

get off your fucking rocker lady, they are ADDICTED, the ONLY thing they have in life is food.. THAT IS ALL.. that is IT!!! that is all that comforts them..

they want to die.. lolol.. they probably want to be loved.. they probably wish they didn't crave food so badly.. they probably wish they could walk easier.. and move around more freely..

saying they want to die is just plain fucking ignorant BM, if they wanted to DIE, they wouldn't do it by eating pizza.. they'd get a fucking knife and be done with it..

that is just like saying SMOKERS want to die..

no dummy.. they want to QUIT!

geezus.. fuck at this ignorant ass statement..
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seconded

you've got be kidding me.....
 
heatherrae said:
Actually, I was reading that a new study found something like 59 genetic markers for obesity, proving that obesity is strongly caused by genetics.

So, despising someone for having that body type is like despising them for the color of their skin.
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Then how come obesity has increased so rapidly in recent years. We didn't have anywhere near as many fat people 50 years ago. Did we just undergo a massive genetic mutation?

I'd say it's the junk people eat and the lazy lives they lead that cause it.

Blaming genetics is a cop-out. Next people will blame their violent behaviour on 'agressive' genes. Can I go out and rape somebody and say, my 'genes' made me do it?


b0und (it's not the cards your dealt, it's how you play them)
 
heatherrae said:
Actually, I was reading that a new study found something like 59 genetic markers for obesity, proving that obesity is strongly caused by genetics.

So, despising someone for having that body type is like despising them for the color of their skin.
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Heather has a point, however, we probably all have the propensity to be fat.

This theory is called the 'thrifty gene'. Think about the last time you went camping, in a tent. What was it like to be living outside?

You may have been lucky and had great weather. Now think about winter camping.

Think that there is no where to get food but what you collect yourself.

This is what it has been like for humans for most of our existance.

Our biochemistry and physiology has not yet 'caught up' with modern living.

Even look at how much life has changed in the last 40-50 years with labour saving devices, everyone having cars, the type of food.

Basically, those that could put on loads of fat when there was food had a much easier time surviving.

There is also an issue with what people eat now. The combination of simple carbohydrates (sugars, fructose........) and saturated fats and modified fats (trans), have been shown to affect the membranes of all of our cells.

All our cells have this phospholipid membrane. All sorts of receptors stick out of it, some get transported to the membrane surface in the presence of other things, for example, insulin trigger the glucose transporters (GLUT 1 through 5 depending on the cell type).

Messed up fatty acids (saturated and sugar/trans) are thought to JAM up these receptors, also make the membranes less fluid so the receptors and transporters don't work as well.

This is mainly on the skeletal muscle, so if glucose does not go into the muscle (or liver), it goes into making more FAT.

This is referred to as insulin insensitivity.

It is not just carbs that make fat, obviously fat can be added to fat/adipose cells, and also protein can be made into fat.

That our bodies CAN and WILL turn everything into fat makes it obvious how important this was to our survival.

Another problem is that after we were weaned, humans mostly used to drink water, so it is thought that the body does not 'register' and adapt to liquid calories as much as it does to solid calories.

There is a theory that we need to eat about 1.5 kg of food per day, otherwise we will continue to eat.

Think about the calories in a packet of crisps/chips. LOADS.

Think about the weight of a packet of crisps/chips MINIMAL.

I just made a low carb veggie stew. I threw in 1 kg of veg in total. I was astonished when I was working out the kcals, it was only 290 kcals in the entire thing!!!!!

That is less than a choccie bar, which is usually about 50 g, this was 1000 g.

We are designed to eat nutrient dense, energy poor food. And currently, we are eating the opposite, nutrient poor, energy dense food.

Interesting, there is this other theory called the AMERICAN PARADOX.

Despite the fact that the fat content in the diet has been decreasing over the last 20 years, the occurence of obesity has been on the increase.

This is because they put in loads of SUGAR into low fat foods, and modified fat. And as I just explained, that combo is a recipe for a fat butt.

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tatyana_zadorozny said:
Heather has a point, however, we probably all have the propensity to be fat.

This theory is called the 'thrifty gene'. Think about the last time you went camping, in a tent. What was it like to be living outside?

You may have been lucky and had great weather. Now think about winter camping.

Think that there is no where to get food but what you collect yourself.

This is what it has been like for humans for most of our existance.

Our biochemistry and physiology has not yet 'caught up' with modern living.

Even look at how much life has changed in the last 40-50 years with labour saving devices, everyone having cars, the type of food.

Basically, those that could put on loads of fat when there was food had a much easier time surviving.

There is also an issue with what people eat now. The combination of simple carbohydrates (sugars, fructose........) and saturated fats and modified fats (trans), have been shown to affect the membranes of all of our cells.

All our cells have this phospholipid membrane. All sorts of receptors stick out of it, some get transported to the membrane surface in the presence of other things, for example, insulin trigger the glucose transporters (GLUT 1 through 5 depending on the cell type).

Messed up fatty acids (saturated and sugar/trans) are thought to JAM up these receptors, also make the membranes less fluid so the receptors and transporters don't work as well.

This is mainly on the skeletal muscle, so if glucose does not go into the muscle (or liver), it goes into making more FAT.

This is referred to as insulin insensitivity.

It is not just carbs that make fat, obviously fat can be added to fat/adipose cells, and also protein can be made into fat.

That our bodies CAN and WILL turn everything into fat makes it obvious how important this was to our survival.

Another problem is that after we were weaned, humans mostly used to drink water, so it is thought that the body does not 'register' and adapt to liquid calories as much as it does to solid calories.

There is a theory that we need to eat about 1.5 kg of food per day, otherwise we will continue to eat.

Think about the calories in a packet of crisps/chips. LOADS.

Think about the weight of a packet of crisps/chips MINIMAL.

I just made a low carb veggie stew. I threw in 1 kg of veg in total. I was astonished when I was working out the kcals, it was only 290 kcals in the entire thing!!!!!

That is less than a choccie bar, which is usually about 50 g, this was 1000 g.

We are designed to eat nutrient dense, energy poor food. And currently, we are eating the opposite, nutrient poor, energy dense food.

Interesting, there is this other theory called the AMERICAN PARADOX.

Despite the fact that the fat content in the diet has been decreasing over the last 20 years, the occurence of obesity has been on the increase.

This is because they put in loads of SUGAR into low fat foods, and modified fat. And as I just explained, that combo is a recipe for a fat butt.

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Excellent post! :)
 
b0und said:
Then how come obesity has increased so rapidly in recent years. We didn't have anywhere near as many fat people 50 years ago. Did we just undergo a massive genetic mutation?

I'd say it's the junk people eat and the lazy lives they lead that cause it.

Blaming genetics is a cop-out. Next people will blame their violent behaviour on 'agressive' genes. Can I go out and rape somebody and say, my 'genes' made me do it?


b0und (it's not the cards your dealt, it's how you play them)
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Most mutations are lethal, and most people do not understand genetics.

There are links between genetics and violence, however, just the gene is not going to make a person violent. A bad environment is required as well.

Our genetics as humans has not changed that much since we were 'cavemen'.

In fact, the majority of our physiology and biochemistry (all arising from the same DNA) is shared with every living creature on this planet.

Insects have more or less the same metabolic pathways in them as we do. One or two enzymes make a few things a wee bit different, but you would expect that.

OLD as the hills some of the enzymes.

Our modern way of life is not.

It has been the coca-colonisation and the expansion of maccy D's that has done some serious damage to people's waistlines.
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
Wow this is the dumbest ignorant post you've ever made. no offense.

THESE PEOPLE TRULY WANT TO DIE!?!

get off your fucking rocker lady, they are ADDICTED, the ONLY thing they have in life is food.. THAT IS ALL.. that is IT!!! that is all that comforts them..

they want to die.. lolol.. they probably want to be loved.. they probably wish they didn't crave food so badly.. they probably wish they could walk easier.. and move around more freely..

saying they want to die is just plain fucking ignorant BM, if they wanted to DIE, they wouldn't do it by eating pizza.. they'd get a fucking knife and be done with it..

that is just like saying SMOKERS want to die..

no dummy.. they want to QUIT!

geezus.. fuck at this ignorant ass statement..
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I think you have hit on some of the psychological reasons for addiction.

Food is addictive.

Again, some current theories and research:

When people take in the huge amount of calories (in particular from fat and sugar), it is thought to do something to the hypothalamus, the hunger control center in the brain.

I would have to read up on it again for more detail, however I do remember where I first saw this (there are several 'easy' articles out there)

Burgers on the Brain - New Scientist.

For those of you that are interested, the September 2007 Scientific American has dedicated an entire issue to the obesity epidemic, called feast and famine.

There are more overweight people in the world now than those going hungry.

It is something bigger than 'You fat bastard, you ate all the pies'.
 
lol@ anyone suggesting gene is a cause - look up causation and what the criteria are...otherwise your just suggesting a bunch of mumbo jumbo
 
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I've said it many times before, obesity is an addiciton. It's just an addiction that's visible.
I work with a man who's 500lbs. I convinced him to get gastric bypass. He did and lost 100 lbs, but is gaining it back fast. He starves himself all day. but then eats about 4000 cals from the moment he gets home until he goes to bed.
He says the "surgery is not taking"
I suggested he see a dietician along with an addiction therapist. He replied "I don't have an addiction, I don't have the same mechanism as you do to tell you you're full"
He's in denial like every other addict.
It's sad and nothing to laugh at or make fun of.
We all have our vices.
 
mightymouse69 said:
lol - at HR using the term "cause" - I'm disappointed - as an attorney you should understand "initiators", "promoters", necessary, proximal and sufficient causes...if not - time to revisit causation :)
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:rolleyes:

If you think that genetics does not have a strong influence upon how heavy people are, you are just wrong.
 
I was fat/chubby/husky growing up
after my first year in college smoking dope and drinking beer
I said fuck this
lost 60lbs in 9 months at age 19 and started lifting
 
heatherrae said:
:rolleyes:

If you think that genetics does not have a strong influence upon how heavy people are, you are just wrong.
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influence is different than "cause" which you suggested.
 
mightymouse69 said:
influence is different than "cause" which you suggested.
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There are different causes, but I'm sure you and I both know people who can eat like a horse and never gain an ounce and others who eat like birds and are always heavy.
 
heatherrae said:
There are different causes, but I'm sure you and I both know people who can eat like a horse and never gain an ounce and others who eat like birds and are always heavy.
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:) My girlfriends have always hated that about me.....
 
heatherrae said:
There are different causes, but I'm sure you and I both know people who can eat like a horse and never gain an ounce and others who eat like birds and are always heavy.
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Dear Ms. HR - the bird thing is a fable - its impossible due to a scientific equation :) basically if your calorie-intake exceeds your calorie-expenditure, the extra calories are stored and you gain weight.

but yes there are those who do nothing and eat alot :) :*
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
Wow this is the dumbest ignorant post you've ever made. no offense.

THESE PEOPLE TRULY WANT TO DIE!?!

get off your fucking rocker lady, they are ADDICTED, the ONLY thing they have in life is food.. THAT IS ALL.. that is IT!!! that is all that comforts them..

they want to die.. lolol.. they probably want to be loved.. they probably wish they didn't crave food so badly.. they probably wish they could walk easier.. and move around more freely..

saying they want to die is just plain fucking ignorant BM, if they wanted to DIE, they wouldn't do it by eating pizza.. they'd get a fucking knife and be done with it..

that is just like saying SMOKERS want to die..

no dummy.. they want to QUIT!

geezus.. fuck at this ignorant ass statement..
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*sigh*

If a smoker TRULY wanted to quit - they would, just as a drunk who truly wanted to quit would.... just as ANYONE who engaged in self-destructive behavior does. If they value their life more than the addictive behavior - they stop. There are plenty of morbidly obese people who have family who love them unconditionally. They do not love THEMSELVES.

And I suppose that anorexics want to die more?

Darlin'.... you just haven't a clue. But that's ok. I still love you. :)

A self-destructive behavior is a self-destructive behavior is a self-destructive behavior..... just different means to end a life.

Again... where did I say ANYTHING negative about you or anyone else?

Try to engage in an intelligent conversation intelligently. Anything else makes you look less intelligent. :)
 
BIKINIMOM said:
*sigh*

If a smoker TRULY wanted to quit - they would, just as a drunk who truly wanted to quit would.... just as ANYONE who engaged in self-destructive behavior does. If they value their life more than the addictive behavior - they stop. There are plenty of morbidly obese people who have family who love them unconditionally. They do not love THEMSELVES.

And I suppose that anorexics want to die more?

Darlin'.... you just haven't a clue. But that's ok. I still love you. :)

A self-destructive behavior is a self-destructive behavior is a self-destructive behavior..... just different means to end a life.

Again... where did I say ANYTHING negative about you or anyone else?

Try to engage in an intelligent conversation intelligently. Anything else makes you look less intelligent. :)
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I never said you said anything negative about me..

saying that ALL obsese people want to die is pretty negative.. to a generally large crowd of people.. addiction isn't that black and white.. there is a pretty big fucking grey area.. this is like saying coke heads.. crack heads.. meth heads.. they all want to kill themselves.. that's just seriously wrong statement and way overgeneralizing things..

there are some seriously OBESE people who LOVE themselves and LOVE life.. sure they are doing horrible things to their health.. but they are happy.. they don't want to die.. even the ones who aren't happy don't nessisary want to die.. infact I'd say MOST of them don't..
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
I never said you said anything negative about me..

saying that ALL obsese people want to die is pretty negative.. to a generally large crowd of people.. addiction isn't that black and white.. there is a pretty big fucking grey area.. this is like saying coke heads.. crack heads.. meth heads.. they all want to kill themselves.. that's just seriously wrong statement and way overgeneralizing things..

there are some seriously OBESE people who LOVE themselves and LOVE life.. sure they are doing horrible things to their health.. but they are happy.. they don't want to die.. even the ones who aren't happy don't nessisary want to die.. infact I'd say MOST of them don't..
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I beg to differ. We can agree to disagree.

That is like saying that there are plenty of anorexics out there who love themselves, they just want to be skinny.

Anyone who is a victim of addiction, when THEY KNOW their addiction will lead to their death has a serious lack of self-love. PERIOD.

Anyone who continues to engage in a SELF-DESTRUCTIVE behavior even when THEY KNOW it will kill them sooner than later (as in the case of the morbidly obese) without a freaking doubt is commiting suicide, pure and simple. To say anything different is contradictory... pure and simple.
 
b0und said:
Then how come obesity has increased so rapidly in recent years. We didn't have anywhere near as many fat people 50 years ago. Did we just undergo a massive genetic mutation?

I'd say it's the junk people eat and the lazy lives they lead that cause it.

Blaming genetics is a cop-out. Next people will blame their violent behaviour on 'agressive' genes. Can I go out and rape somebody and say, my 'genes' made me do it?


b0und (it's not the cards your dealt, it's how you play them)
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The genetic markers are there. It is undeniable. That is not to say that, of course, diet and exercise plays a huge role as well. I believe that the steep increase in obesity can be linked to a increasingly sedentary lifestyle. More and more jobs are in front of a computer on our asses. That isn't to say that if you have two skinny parents you are going to fare way better than if you have two fat ones.

Even if it were 100% calories in/calories out, as some of you claim, is that really a reason to despise overweight people so much? Some of you people are LUCKY that you have good genetics. That is no reason to hate on other people. (I'm not speaking about you, bound, just in general).
 
heatherrae said:
The genetic markers are there. It is undeniable. That is not to say that, of course, diet and exercise plays a huge role as well. I believe that the steep increase in obesity can be linked to a increasingly sedentary lifestyle. More and more jobs are in front of a computer on our asses. That isn't to say that if you have two skinny parents you are going to fare way better than if you have two fat ones.

Even if it were 100% calories in/calories out, as some of you claim, is that really a reason to despise overweight people so much? Some of you people are LUCKY that you have good genetics. That is no reason to hate on other people. (I'm not speaking about you, bound, just in general).
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it's largely just north america and our society in general..

mostly nutritional.. we spend shitloads more on healthcare then any other nation.. I think like 2/3rds as much as china..

we just eat like shit.. Mcdonalds.. fast food.. open everywhere.. all the time.. dirt cheap.. food is everywhere in our society.. to much of it.. and alot of unhealthy processed shit..
 
of course some people are more genetically prone to gaining fat...sucks for them....I got the mesomorph body, my sis got the chunky genetics...

called endomorphs


bottom line, you can always do something about it which my sis proved once she got off her ass....
 
Combination of TERRIBLE nutritional habits (if you can call it "nutritional" at all), waaaaaaaay sedentary lifestyle and misinformation about food. Hello, do ya'll remember the food pyramid? I was LIVID when they were teaching that SHIT to my girls back in the day... and it ain't so much better now.

Bottom line, though is there is a difference between someone who is *just overweight* and someone who is morbidly obese and eating themselves to death.

I can see how even up to 20 pounds could creep up on a body as they age having citing the factors I did, but to be 400+ pounds overweight? That is straight up suicide and no different than an anorexic. Just that the anorexic/bulimic puts themselves in the grave a helluva lot faster.
 
They are "weightists"

heatherrae said:
Even if it were 100% calories in/calories out, as some of you claim, is that really a reason to despise overweight people so much? Some of you people are LUCKY that you have good genetics. That is no reason to hate on other people. (I'm not speaking about you, bound, just in general).
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mightymouse69 said:
Dear Ms. HR - the bird thing is a fable - its impossible due to a scientific equation :) basically if your calorie-intake exceeds your calorie-expenditure, the extra calories are stored and you gain weight.

but yes there are those who do nothing and eat alot :) :*
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All calories are not created equally.

If that was the case, then we could eat a diet everyday of 200O kcals from macdonalds or a diet from 2000 kcals of vegetables and look the same.

The starvation diet thing, it only works in 5% of people. So yes, drastically reducing calories (eating like a bird so to speak) will result in an initial weight loss, but the body LOVES homeostasis, and it will slow down the metabolism to adapt to the number of calories consumed.

Also when the body thinks it is starving, it preferentially partitions nutrients into FAT, even when the caloric intake is low.

Actually, here is an exact quote from a paper in The Endocrinologist, 2002, 12: 210-217

Excess insulin secretion favours and promotes partitioning of energy substrates into fat, even with caloric restrictions.


This is a massive blow to all those 'low fat foods' that are FULL of sugar.
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
it's largely just north america and our society in general..

mostly nutritional.. we spend shitloads more on healthcare then any other nation.. I think like 2/3rds as much as china..

we just eat like shit.. Mcdonalds.. fast food.. open everywhere.. all the time.. dirt cheap.. food is everywhere in our society.. to much of it.. and alot of unhealthy processed shit..
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This is not true. Obesity is also becoming a major health care crisis in the developing world.

Right now there are 1.3 billion people who are overweight, and only 800 million who are underweight.

It's global babes, not just in the Western World. We just got a head start.
 
there is very little measurable variation in metabolism if you have ever measured it and for every citation you throw out there are 100s that rebuke it...you can always support the tails (those that are due to genetics) however the facts are simple...

tatyana_zadorozny said:
All calories are not created equally.

If that was the case, then we could eat a diet everyday of 200O kcals from macdonalds or a diet from 2000 kcals of vegetables and look the same.

The starvation diet thing, it only works in 5% of people. So yes, drastically reducing calories (eating like a bird so to speak) will result in an initial weight loss, but the body LOVES homeostasis, and it will slow down the metabolism to adapt to the number of calories consumed.

Also when the body thinks it is starving, it preferentially partitions nutrients into FAT, even when the caloric intake is low.

Actually, here is an exact quote from a paper in The Endocrinologist, 2002, 12: 210-217

Excess insulin secretion favours and promotes partitioning of energy substrates into fat, even with caloric restrictions.


This is a massive blow to all those 'low fat foods' that are FULL of sugar.
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I cringe when i see fat people at buffets, in airports eating fast food and the likes... I RESPECT the Biggest Loser as they try. Plain and simple any addiction can be broken by willpower to improve and those who give up show no will power and i dont feel sorry for them.
 
tatyana_zadorozny said:
This is not true. Obesity is also becoming a major health care crisis in the developing world.

Right now there are 1.3 billion people who are overweight, and only 800 million who are underweight.

It's global babes, not just in the Western World. We just got a head start.
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uh.. per capita.. north america largely dominates any kind of obesity..

china has a billion people.. so does africa.. and I'd say HARDLY any of the people from either population are obese..

we also spend way more on health care then any other continent..
 
"The starvation diet thing, it only works in 5% of people"

I think Africa would disagree.
 
flexed1 said:
I cringe when i see fat people at buffets, in airports eating fast food and the likes... I RESPECT the Biggest Loser as they try. Plain and simple any addiction can be broken by willpower to improve and those who give up show no will power and i dont feel sorry for them.
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I think many people feel the way you do. I know I look at what overweight people are buying at the gorcery store.
What you're seeing is the obese in the midst of their addictions.
Hang out at some pubs and you'll see drunks hanging around the bar like the overweight do at the buffets.
You don't have to have sympathy for them, you just need to have empathy, it's what makes you a good person.
 
blueta2 said:
I think many people feel the way you do. I know I look at what overweight people are buying at the gorcery store.
What you're seeing is the obese in the midst of their addictions.
Hang out at some pubs and you'll see drunks hanging around the bar like the overweight do at the buffets.
You don't have to have sympathy for them, you just need to have empathy, it's what makes you a good person.
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I agree with this explanation...I love that movie when the guy was dating an obese girl but saw her as thin.
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
uh.. per capita.. north america largely dominates any kind of obesity..

china has a billion people.. so does africa.. and I'd say HARDLY any of the people from either population are obese..

we also spend way more on health care then any other continent..
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True, the US has the most fat people. Scotland and England are not far behind.

The obesity rates are increasing dramatically everywhere though.
 
TC2 said:
"The starvation diet thing, it only works in 5% of people"

I think Africa would disagree.
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By starvation diet I do not mean people that are starving.

What I mean is when people do diets with sub 1000 kcals/day.

Sureslim is something like 500 kcals/day.

People do lose 5-10% of their body fat within a year, but within 3-4 years, the majority have gained the weight back, plus some.
 
mightymouse69 said:
there is very little measurable variation in metabolism if you have ever measured it and for every citation you throw out there are 100s that rebuke it...you can always support the tails (those that are due to genetics) however the facts are simple...
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Yes, it is a combination of genetics and the environment.

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 82, No. 5, 941-948, November 2005
© 2005 American Society for Clinical Nutrition

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ORIGINAL RESEARCH COMMUNICATION

Factors influencing variation in basal metabolic rate include fat-free mass, fat mass, age, and circulating thyroxine but not sex, circulating leptin, or triiodothyronine1,2,3


Alexandra M Johnstone, Sandra D Murison, Jackie S Duncan, Kellie A Rance and John R Speakman
1 From the Aberdeen Centre for Energy Regulation and Obesity (ACERO), Division of Energy Balance and Obesity, Rowett Research Institute, Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom (AMJ, SDM, JSD, KAR, and JRS), and ACERO, School of Biological Sciences, University of Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom (JRS)


Background: Basal metabolic rate (BMR) is the largest component of daily energy demand in Western societies. Previous studies indicated that BMR is highly variable, but the cause of this variation is disputed. All studies agree that variation in fat-free mass (FFM) plays a major role, but effects of fat mass (FM), age, sex, and the hormones leptin, triiodothyrionine (T3), and thyroxine (T4) remain uncertain.

Objective: We partitioned the variance in BMR into within- and between-subject effects and explored the roles of FFM, FM, bone mineral content, sex, age, and circulating concentrations of plasma leptin, T3, and T4.

Design: This was a cross-sectional study of 150 white adults from northeast Scotland, United Kingdom.

Results: Only 2% of the observed variability in BMR was attributable to within-subject effects, of which 0.5% was analytic error. Of the remaining variance, which reflected between-subject effects, 63% was explained by FFM, 6% by FM, and 2% by age. The effects of sex and bone mineral content were not significant (P > 0.05). Twenty-six percent of the variance remained unexplained. This variation was not associated with concentrations of circulating leptin or T3. T4 was not significant in women but explained 25% of the residual variance in men.

Conclusions: Our data confirm that both FFM and FM are significant contributors to BMR. When the effect of FM on BMR is removed, any association with leptin concentrations disappears, which suggests that previous links between circulating leptin concentrations and BMR occurred only because of inadequate control for the effects of FM.
 
AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism, Vol 263, Issue 4 E730-E734, Copyright © 1992 by American Physiological Society


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ARTICLES


Concomitant interindividual variation in body temperature and metabolic rate
R. Rising, A. Keys, E. Ravussin and C. Bogardus
Clinical Diabetes and Nutrition Section, National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Phoenix, Arizona 85016.

There is significant variation in metabolic rate in humans, independent of differences in body size, body composition, age, and gender. Although it has been generally held that the normal human "set-point" body temperature is 37 degrees C, these interindividual variations in metabolic rate also suggest possible variations in body temperature. To examine the possibility of correlations between metabolic rate and body temperature, triplicate measurements of oral temperatures were made before and after measurement of 24-h energy expenditure in a respiratory chamber in 23 Pima Indian men. Fasting oral temperatures varied more between individuals than can be attributed to methodological errors or intraindividual variation. Oral temperatures correlated with sleeping (r = 0.80, P < 0.0001), and 24-h (r = 0.48, P < 0.02) metabolic rates adjusted for differences in body size, body composition, and age. Similarly, in the 32 Caucasian men of the Minnesota Semi-Starvation Study, oral temperature correlated with adjusted metabolic rate, and the interindividual differences in body temperature were maintained throughout semistarvation and refeeding. These results suggest that a low body temperature and a low metabolic rate might be two signs of an obesity-prone syndrome in humans.
 
your article is about the components of variance and is not relevant to the discussion; do you understand the significane of the finding that 2% of the observed variability was due within subject effects.

I'll pass in the future - the arguments are fraught with bias
 
blueta2 said:
Why bored? Is that because you have no one to bash on EF?
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i never bash anyone

no the town sucks its boring ....everone is 70 and im stuck here

i need trouble....maybe i will run off to another country as soon as i get my passport
 
jon79 said:
i never bash anyone

no the town sucks its boring ....everone is 70 and im stuck here

i need trouble....maybe i will run off to another country as soon as i get my passport
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Sounds like a town I would like ;-)
Don't come to Canada, we have enough meanies
 
mightymouse69 said:
your article is about the components of variance and is not relevant to the discussion; do you understand the significane of the finding that 2% of the observed variability was due within subject effects.

I'll pass in the future - the arguments are fraught with bias
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There are inter individuals variations. That being said, they can be altered with diet and exercise.

It is a double edged sword to say, we are all the same as we are the same species, yet there is always variation within a species.

Our metabolic rate even varies depending on the season of the year.

There is a profound interaction between the environment and the expression of genes, both impact each other, it is never one nor the other (with the exception of inborn errors of metabolism or congenital disorders).

I do think that JUST blaming the individual is not going to work. There is an individual responsibility, however, we are living in an obesity creating environment.
 
tatyana_zadorozny said:
True, the US has the most fat people. Scotland and England are not far behind.

The obesity rates are increasing dramatically everywhere though.
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The obesity rates are increasing everywhere because the "American" fast food diet has spread everywhere.
 
tatyana_zadorozny said:
By starvation diet I do not mean people that are starving.

What I mean is when people do diets with sub 1000 kcals/day.

Sureslim is something like 500 kcals/day.

People do lose 5-10% of their body fat within a year, but within 3-4 years, the majority have gained the weight back, plus some.
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The reason people gain the weight back is they go back to eating like they use to.
 
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