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karachi183
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AI and Nolva then... cheers
extremely prone to gyno but going on test ...
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VictorBR
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thanks all for the replies and the tips .
Well , really the only reason why I am going to try test is because it is powerfull , cheap and if I get gyno , I know that I can remove it 100 % with nolva 60 mg for 20 days .
Like I said I AM VERY PRONE to gyno because my last cycle was december 2001 , not EVEN using TEST , Since then , I am CLEAN AND EVEN SO I still got gyno twice ( 2003 first time and then another case 2005 ) , both times I was ABLE to completly remove it with 60 mg nolva ED for 3 weeks .
That is why I don´t understand people getting surgery if probably most of the times what they really need it is just a STRONG nolva treatment .
So If I develop gyno one more time I know that I can remove it with this treatment . Althought I think that even for someone extremy prone like me , using 25 mg aromasin ED and 10-20 mg nolva ED during my cycle might be enough to prevent gyno . I can always bump the aromasin to 50 mg ED if I need to .
And yes , I won´t use letrozole because I REALLY like my libido . I mean , I love it . So ... to go limp is not an option .
Ulter , I will stick to aromasin instead of AIFM because it is easier for me to get , just go into any local pharm and buy it , no prescription needed , no credit cards order , no shipping costs , no customs involved . No nothing .
This is gonne be the first time I try test . It is gonna be a bulker and I am going with 500 mg / week , SUST + EQ + WIN for 12 weeks . ( after 6 weeks ,. switch WIN FOR VAR )
I am starting this bulker at 205 and 9-10 % . I will eat no more than 3.250 cals a day . I plan on not adding ANY fat at all . Staying lean during the bulker will help minimize estrogen conversion , probably minimizing sides like gyno .
My concern is that the nolva would make my gains shitty , because it completely kills IGF-1 levels . And I really wanna grow on this cycle . At least 15 pounds of pure muscle I wanna ADD . 20 pounds would be better . I am 25 years old and my receptors right now are VIRGIN since my last cycle was 2001 ( EQ + WIN + HGH ) . That is why I think those gains are possible .
any more tips guys ?
thanks again
Victor
Well , really the only reason why I am going to try test is because it is powerfull , cheap and if I get gyno , I know that I can remove it 100 % with nolva 60 mg for 20 days .
Like I said I AM VERY PRONE to gyno because my last cycle was december 2001 , not EVEN using TEST , Since then , I am CLEAN AND EVEN SO I still got gyno twice ( 2003 first time and then another case 2005 ) , both times I was ABLE to completly remove it with 60 mg nolva ED for 3 weeks .
That is why I don´t understand people getting surgery if probably most of the times what they really need it is just a STRONG nolva treatment .
So If I develop gyno one more time I know that I can remove it with this treatment . Althought I think that even for someone extremy prone like me , using 25 mg aromasin ED and 10-20 mg nolva ED during my cycle might be enough to prevent gyno . I can always bump the aromasin to 50 mg ED if I need to .
And yes , I won´t use letrozole because I REALLY like my libido . I mean , I love it . So ... to go limp is not an option .
Ulter , I will stick to aromasin instead of AIFM because it is easier for me to get , just go into any local pharm and buy it , no prescription needed , no credit cards order , no shipping costs , no customs involved . No nothing .
This is gonne be the first time I try test . It is gonna be a bulker and I am going with 500 mg / week , SUST + EQ + WIN for 12 weeks . ( after 6 weeks ,. switch WIN FOR VAR )
I am starting this bulker at 205 and 9-10 % . I will eat no more than 3.250 cals a day . I plan on not adding ANY fat at all . Staying lean during the bulker will help minimize estrogen conversion , probably minimizing sides like gyno .
My concern is that the nolva would make my gains shitty , because it completely kills IGF-1 levels . And I really wanna grow on this cycle . At least 15 pounds of pure muscle I wanna ADD . 20 pounds would be better . I am 25 years old and my receptors right now are VIRGIN since my last cycle was 2001 ( EQ + WIN + HGH ) . That is why I think those gains are possible .
any more tips guys ?
thanks again
Victor
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VictorBR said:
I wouldn't worry about lower IGF-1 on nolvadex. The studies I have seen reported minor IGF-1 level drops, and they were not done on AS users. Many people have gotten great gains while running nolvadex, so don't let the myths get to you.
btw...the original nolvadex/loss-gains theory was put out by Dan Duchaine, and has since been disputed heavily by guys like Bill Roberts.
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VictorBR
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thanks for the tip .
When I used 60 mg nolva to get rid of my gyno I wasn´t running any gear at all , so that is why I noticed a decent strenght DROP , like 10 % . That is why I was concerned .
But using 10-20 mg ED with 500 mg TEST , I shouldn´t worry . You are right .
Victor
When I used 60 mg nolva to get rid of my gyno I wasn´t running any gear at all , so that is why I noticed a decent strenght DROP , like 10 % . That is why I was concerned .
But using 10-20 mg ED with 500 mg TEST , I shouldn´t worry . You are right .
Victor
I have a little gyno from a few years back. I believe it was test that gave it to me or dbol. I did consider getting it removed like some of my friends did with surgery but its really not that noticeable. Are you guys suggesting running 3 weeks of 60mg Nolva will make it disappear? I know Mr. X has stated before running Nolva with Letro will do it. But even after it's been around for a few years?
Any input would be appreciated.
Any input would be appreciated.
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whatup said:
You should give nolvadex+femara(letrozole) a shot, the worst case scenario is that you can't get rid of the lump you've had for a few years. Ideally, it'll help with the lump, so I would suggest trying it out.
