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psychedout
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Its all about time. If your rich and don't have to work, then why not split everything like that?
For most it is not an option though.
For most it is not an option though.
psychedout
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Well not necesarily rich, but do you see what I mean? It was just an example.
Its all about time time time. Some people have 5 classes at school, work 30 hrs a week, and spend 2 hrs a day on buses. Try getting to the gym twice a day in that scenario. It just wont happen.
Its all about time time time. Some people have 5 classes at school, work 30 hrs a week, and spend 2 hrs a day on buses. Try getting to the gym twice a day in that scenario. It just wont happen.
Dorian'sDisciple
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jkurz you are overtraining buddy and I know that you know you are. Stop adding to the problem by finding more ways to overtrain faster..love yourself,be good to yourself bro
JKurz1
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Straight off the cuff diehard...you are a f-ing idiot.....I usually changes things up every few months, not only for sanity, but for a different shock..........PLUS, this games calls for constant learning and listening......getting different ideas and studyuing the methods that work for others.......so, questions and inquires need to be asked.......that comment pissed me off........idiot.
majutsu
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Gov Arnold says,
"I discovered Double-Split Training on my own, strictly as a matter of necessity. After a year of training I really began trying to push my body to its ultimate limits (read steroids). I wanted to train each body part as hard as possible and then come back the next time and train it even harder. One day I came into the gym and had a really dynamite chest and back workout. I felt great. Then I went on to do legs (?!? Go Arnold!), but I noticed I was not training with the same intensity and enthusiasm as I had felt during my upper-body workout. Looking in the mirror at my developing physique, I had to admit that my legs were not progressing as rapidly as my upper body. The next day, after training shoulders, biceps, triceps, forearms, and calves, I again took stock and realized that those last three muscle groups were also somewhat weak. They obviously were lagging behind.
As I thought about it, it didn't seem to me that I lacked real potential to develop those weaker areas, so it had to be some fault in my approach to training. I experimented with nutrition, being much more careful of what I ate, trying to keep my blood sugar level up, but though this helped it was not enough.
As I analyzed my training further, it became obvious that each of these body parts came toward the end of my workouts, when I was tired from doing numerous sets. Training my chest, back and legs in one day was very demanding, and it occurred to me that I could train each body part with more intensity if I trained my chest and back in the morning, and then came back late in the afternoon, fresh and rested, to give my legs a really hard workout. Without knowing that any other bodybuilders trained this way and never having heard the name, I found myself doing Double-Split Training as the only means possible for training the entire body with the kind of intesity I knew had to be generated IF I WERE TO BECOME MR. UNIVERSE."Encyl.BB.
Arnold was polishing for Mr. U, workouts were over two hours already, and the whole body was trained every other day. So, he spaced it out for CNS fatigue. Using Arnold's recommendations for split training (having gained 3 inches on arms, 5 chest, 4 on thighs on a traditional routine), and USA anthropometry tables: if you have 18in+ arms, are competing, and your workouts are nearly four hours long daily, you can benefit, according to Arnold, from a double-split. Everyone besides Arnold, even people back then like Mentzer, or Dorian Yates more recently (far more massive than Arnold), would call that inefficient overtraining. I think you see why people are making the jokes they are. Double-splitting implies a high-level performance coupled with monomaniacal tendencies. I double-split for a while after a not-much-less-dumb traditional split, and I think there comes a point when you have to look in a mirror, remember the scale hasn't budged in months, and you have to admit maybe you are not as advanced as Arnold or Ronnie, and probably never will be. Then its basics done right, all over again . . . (p.s. 5'10" 215lbs 9.6% BF local shows saying this . . . ) Don't flame me like diehard, it's just some new thoughts OK . . .
"I discovered Double-Split Training on my own, strictly as a matter of necessity. After a year of training I really began trying to push my body to its ultimate limits (read steroids). I wanted to train each body part as hard as possible and then come back the next time and train it even harder. One day I came into the gym and had a really dynamite chest and back workout. I felt great. Then I went on to do legs (?!? Go Arnold!), but I noticed I was not training with the same intensity and enthusiasm as I had felt during my upper-body workout. Looking in the mirror at my developing physique, I had to admit that my legs were not progressing as rapidly as my upper body. The next day, after training shoulders, biceps, triceps, forearms, and calves, I again took stock and realized that those last three muscle groups were also somewhat weak. They obviously were lagging behind.
As I thought about it, it didn't seem to me that I lacked real potential to develop those weaker areas, so it had to be some fault in my approach to training. I experimented with nutrition, being much more careful of what I ate, trying to keep my blood sugar level up, but though this helped it was not enough.
As I analyzed my training further, it became obvious that each of these body parts came toward the end of my workouts, when I was tired from doing numerous sets. Training my chest, back and legs in one day was very demanding, and it occurred to me that I could train each body part with more intensity if I trained my chest and back in the morning, and then came back late in the afternoon, fresh and rested, to give my legs a really hard workout. Without knowing that any other bodybuilders trained this way and never having heard the name, I found myself doing Double-Split Training as the only means possible for training the entire body with the kind of intesity I knew had to be generated IF I WERE TO BECOME MR. UNIVERSE."Encyl.BB.
Arnold was polishing for Mr. U, workouts were over two hours already, and the whole body was trained every other day. So, he spaced it out for CNS fatigue. Using Arnold's recommendations for split training (having gained 3 inches on arms, 5 chest, 4 on thighs on a traditional routine), and USA anthropometry tables: if you have 18in+ arms, are competing, and your workouts are nearly four hours long daily, you can benefit, according to Arnold, from a double-split. Everyone besides Arnold, even people back then like Mentzer, or Dorian Yates more recently (far more massive than Arnold), would call that inefficient overtraining. I think you see why people are making the jokes they are. Double-splitting implies a high-level performance coupled with monomaniacal tendencies. I double-split for a while after a not-much-less-dumb traditional split, and I think there comes a point when you have to look in a mirror, remember the scale hasn't budged in months, and you have to admit maybe you are not as advanced as Arnold or Ronnie, and probably never will be. Then its basics done right, all over again . . . (p.s. 5'10" 215lbs 9.6% BF local shows saying this . . . ) Don't flame me like diehard, it's just some new thoughts OK . . .
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lol chill out man, it was just an observation from reading your posts every morning, it wasnt meant to piss you off, it just seems to me that you are overtraining, and ive seen your diet and everything, so i think that its not maybe your actual training, but the fact that you are eating way too clean, and still doing cardio to bulk. your 6'2 190, so it would seem to me like you are a hardgainer, although you ahve said you were 245 in the past. I think you should not worry so much about staying lean right now if you want to pack on some mass. Yes, with your volume of training maybe a double split would be better, but i think it would be even better if you cut back on training, went back to almost exclusively COMPOUND movements, ate more, cheated when you ate ALOT more, and cut out the cardio. Just some constructive criticism, so relax brother.
ps. you also ask for all these new ideas, but you are still doing the same routine and same diet. so maybe you should apply what some of the others have said.
ps. you also ask for all these new ideas, but you are still doing the same routine and same diet. so maybe you should apply what some of the others have said.
bigstve12
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Personally i wouldnt like that kinda training. I like to get pumped, lift hard and heavy while on top of my game, then go home and forget about it. I dont think i could do that twice a day...too mentally taxing. I have done cardio early am and back at night for weights, but thats different
c3bodybuilding
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I wouldn't try to pull a double split unless I was on, and only using it a month before a shoot or something. Arnold and the gang used it with success, but they only did that a few months before a contest. They also had incredible genetics, gear and good nutrition. Then you throw in the fact that Arnold basically slept or sat on the beach all day while being high, you can see where he could have pulled that off and made good progress. He lived a very laid back lifestyle with no stress, and just relaxed all the time. For most it's just too much.
Depending on Set-rep ranges...
I DEFINITLY think that a 2 a day workouts are doable. Especially if you are training for strength...olympic lifters routinely have 2 a day workouts...
If you are doing 8 or more reps and a gazillion sets then yeah u can;t do it without overtraining. It could be effective as a quick 2 week cycle to shock the system though.
I DEFINITLY think that a 2 a day workouts are doable. Especially if you are training for strength...olympic lifters routinely have 2 a day workouts...
If you are doing 8 or more reps and a gazillion sets then yeah u can;t do it without overtraining. It could be effective as a quick 2 week cycle to shock the system though.
JKurz1
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I have to agree.....why wouldn't doing (for example) chest in the am and tris in the pm be benefitial??????? Instead of spending 1.5 hours in the am doing chest then tris (which get a half assed workout because you are fatigued from chest) you smach chest for 45 and then tries for 1/2 hour in the pm after 5-6 meals??????????
BOOEY
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Again, I've never done it so this is purely theory here but I think in order for a two a day to be successful, you can't work supplementary muscles in the same day. Like you said work chest in the am and tris in the pm. Well, whether you work your tris directly or not in the morning, they are still getting used significantly when doing chest. So coming back at night just to blast them again is definitely going to cause some problems. I think a split utilizing different bodyparts altogether would work much better. Example: AM - Chest PM - Bis; AM - Delts PM - Quads/Calves; AM - Back PM - Tris/Hams
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Debaser
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JKurz1 said:
The point I would make here is that you don't NEED to smash your chest for 45 minutes, it is wholly unnecessary.
If you want a big chest, have a big bench. The chest doesn't get bigger from "exercising" the muscle so that it feels devastated, it gets bigger from increased load session to session. In other words if you bench 200 lbs one week, 202.5 the next, 205 the next etc. your chest will be getting bigger. You can accomplish this with just a few work sets each week.
c3bodybuilding
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Debaser is right on this one. I always pick one or two chest movements, and stay with them for as long as a year or two. I just work on adding weight to the bar. No need to be in there 45mins just for chest, and then again for tris. The reason why tri's are so dead after chest, is because they recieve a lot of work from most chest movements.
I do 8 sets for chest twice a week, BUT only 2 of those sets each session are work sets, the other 6 are 3 warm ups for each movement. It works out to 3-6 sets for everything done twice a week.
If you are really set on doing the double split, then I recommend you keep the volume very low. Pick 2-3 exercises for large muscle groups, and just do as many warm ups as needed before doing the work set. 1-2 exercises for small muscle groups should work fine.
Make sure you get plenty of sleep at night, and your nutrition plan is perfect. You'll need to take in extra protein and clean calories. Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
I do 8 sets for chest twice a week, BUT only 2 of those sets each session are work sets, the other 6 are 3 warm ups for each movement. It works out to 3-6 sets for everything done twice a week.
If you are really set on doing the double split, then I recommend you keep the volume very low. Pick 2-3 exercises for large muscle groups, and just do as many warm ups as needed before doing the work set. 1-2 exercises for small muscle groups should work fine.
Make sure you get plenty of sleep at night, and your nutrition plan is perfect. You'll need to take in extra protein and clean calories. Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
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