Everybody Here SUCKS!

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Failure to maintain any anabolic/androgenic support while cutting will inevitably result in muscle loss, which you admit, is unacceptable.

My friend who has been training for 10 years and has about 5 cycles under his belt, approached me the other day and asked me what type of cycle he should run when DIETING...

I told him:

"At your size, you'll definitely need a low dosage of Testosterone in order to preserve all of that muscle mass and strength in a calorie defecit. To further ensure minimal muscle loss and possible muscle GAIN while in a calorie defecit, include a low dosage of Primobolan throughout the cycle."

Plain and simple. "Cutting" without steroids is like "Bulking" with JUNK FOOD; When BULKING on junkfood, you'll gain muscle, but also ALOT OF FAT! When CUTTING without steroids, you'll lose fat, but also ALOT OF MUSCLE!

For an advanced trainer like myself, I need anabolic support even when eating MAINTENANCE calories, because I am so far past my natural limit. Basically, I have to stay on pretty much year-round to maintain this amount of muscle mass.

 

[KnockedOutFAST]

WHats so funny? Hes bigger than you Lol

 

[Tatyana]

Ross needs to learn how to preserve muscle mass with diet...
He makes a caloric deficit sounds like a death sentence...

+ 1

Ross, what do you mean by calorie deficit?

How do you work out your maintainance calories?


Nelson, I am a biomedical scientist in clinical biochemistry.

I have about 5 weeks and I will be complete my Master's in Clin Biochem.

I am already looking for a new part-time course to take next year, it will probably be distance learning.

 

[Nelson Montana]

+ 1

Ross, what do you mean by calorie deficit?

How do you work out your maintainance calories?


Nelson, I am a biomedical scientist in clinical biochemistry.

I have about 5 weeks and I will be complete my Master's in Clin Biochem.

I am already looking for a new part-time course to take next year, it will probably be distance learning.

"Disatnce learning" as in traveling to the States for some lessons of some sort?


Hear that guys? A Masters. What a woman.

 

[Tatyana]

Failure to maintain any anabolic/androgenic support while cutting will inevitably result in muscle loss, which you admit, is unacceptable.

My friend who has been training for 10 years and has about 5 cycles under his belt, approached me the other day and asked me what type of cycle he should run when DIETING...

I told him:

"At your size, you'll definitely need a low dosage of Testosterone in order to preserve all of that muscle mass and strength in a calorie defecit. To further ensure minimal muscle loss and possible muscle GAIN while in a calorie defecit, include a low dosage of Primobolan throughout the cycle."

Plain and simple. "Cutting" without steroids is like "Bulking" with JUNK FOOD; When BULKING on junkfood, you'll gain muscle, but also ALOT OF FAT! When CUTTING without steroids, you'll lose fat, but also ALOT OF MUSCLE!

For an advanced trainer like myself, I need anabolic support even when eating MAINTENANCE calories, because I am so far past my natural limit. Basically, I have to stay on pretty much year-round to maintain this amount of muscle mass.

So you HAVE TO take steroids LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Ross, that last line, translation?: I come off and I lose all my gains so I don't come off at 26 years of age? You look good, but you are not that big.

That screams to me that I don't really know how to diet or train properly so I use drugs to make up for it.

You wouldn't be the first, you wouldn't be the last lad and I am sure you are not alone in that.

Very few admit that they use gear to make up for gaps in their training and diet.

What are you going to do when you hit 40? 50?

I forget if it was Steve Reeves or Reg Parks who said something like "If you can't build a decent physique when you are young without steroids, then quit bodybuilding and take up something like ping pong'

You said you had a outrageously high natural test level.

Do you know what it is now after however many cycles or putting yourself on HRT for life in your 20s?

 

[sensational]

This is a good thread.

I wonder how many educated individuals we have on this board. I am a term away from my bachelor's in Human Physiology, post up education!

 

[layinback]

This is a good thread.

I wonder how many educated individuals we have on this board. I am a term away from my bachelor's in Human Physiology, post up education!

i dropped out in high school, but i'm doin ok

 

[layinback]

i was 36 before i did aas. i had 4 solid years of training and STRICT diet under my belt
before i did my first cycle. over the next 6 years i did 7 more cycles. ( 3 of them
were 6 weekers ) i did my first big cycle 1.5 yrs ago and i've recently gone on hrt.
i no longer do any black market - ug stuff. i see guys all the time that do 3 times
what i do and they really don't look all that good. i train and eat with a seriousness
that most people couldn't comprehend. that's the key, not steroids.

 

[sshadoww]

good bros fighting argh

Imagine all the people...

 

[cobracock1979]

Chemistry degree masters

 

[sshadoww]

Chemistry degree masters

I'm currently finishing my 4th degree (Masters in Education) but it doesn't mean squat compared to the experience and insight of so many of the good bro's on here who have taken the time to help others use AAS safely and wisely...props and much thanks.

 

[aquatic_glories]

i was 36 before i did aas. i had 4 solid years of training and STRICT diet under my belt
before i did my first cycle. over the next 6 years i did 7 more cycles. ( 3 of them
were 6 weekers ) i did my first big cycle 1.5 yrs ago and i've recently gone on hrt.
i no longer do any black market - ug stuff. i see guys all the time that do 3 times
what i do and they really don't look all that good. i train and eat with a seriousness
that most people couldn't comprehend. that's the key, not steroids.

What were your test levels so that you had to go HRT??
Was it affected severely due to AAS ' or it just dropped a little and you have chısen to go HRT???

thanks

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

WHats so funny? Hes bigger than you Lol

You missed the point but whatever.

Plus, you have no idea how big I am, I have never posted photos.

 

[KnockedOutFAST]

You missed the point but whatever.

Plus, you have no idea how big I am, I have never posted photos.

Oh, my bad good brotha.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Oh, my bad good brotha.

 

[Nelson Montana]

So you HAVE TO take steroids LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Ross, that last line, translation?: I come off and I lose all my gains so I don't come off at 26 years of age? You look good, but you are not that big.

That screams to me that I don't really know how to diet or train properly so I use drugs to make up for it.

You wouldn't be the first, you wouldn't be the last lad and I am sure you are not alone in that.

Very few admit that they use gear to make up for gaps in their training and diet.

What are you going to do when you hit 40? 50?

I forget if it was Steve Reeves or Reg Parks who said something like "If you can't build a decent physique when you are young without steroids, then quit bodybuilding and take up something like ping pong'

You said you had a outrageously high natural test level.

Do you know what it is now after however many cycles or putting yourself on HRT for life in your 20s?

Yeah, it looks as if ROSS had every advantage -- high T, a good physique at a young age -- great frame -- and he blew it. Dependent on HRT at age 26.
Not my idea of an "advanced" bodybuilder.

 

[Tatyana]

Yeah, it looks as if ROSS had every advantage -- high T, a good physique at a young age -- great frame -- and he blew it. Dependent on HRT at age 26.
Not my idea of an "advanced" bodybuilder.

You have a point. I am going to be a bit cheeky and controversial.

This is really the reality of it.

Whose advice would you take?

A. Someone started steroids in their early 20s and looks good in their twenties and claims you 'HAVE TO' take steroids to maintain muscle mass. Degree in business and management?

B. A self-proclaimed hard-gainer who built a physique without drugs and then pushed a wee bit further with steroids and still looks fabulous darling in his 50s

C. A natural female BBer who has dropped into single digits without any drugs and has added around 10 lbs of muscle in the last year even though she has been BBing for 5 years. biochemist geeky scientist whose casual reading is science and medical journals (reading the Annals of Clin Biochem on the latest things about obesity right now)

D. Anyone of the highly educated and/or years and years of experienced people here, I could name quite a few that give just awesome advice


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

All will have interesting and valid things to say, I guess it depends on your goals.

 

[wwebound4life]

You have a point. I am going to be a bit cheeky and controversial.

This is really the reality of it.

Whose advice would you take?

A. Someone started steroids in their early 20s and looks good in their twenties and claims you 'HAVE TO' take steroids to maintain muscle mass. Degree in business and management?

B. A self-proclaimed hard-gainer who built a physique without drugs and then pushed a wee bit further with steroids and still looks fabulous darling in his 50s

C. A natural female BBer who has dropped into single digits without any drugs and has added around 10 lbs of muscle in the last year even though she has been BBing for 5 years. biochemist geeky scientist whose casual reading is science and medical journals (reading the Annals of Clin Biochem on the latest things about obesity right now)

D. Anyone of the highly educated and/or years and years of experienced people here, I could name quite a few that give just awesome advice


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

All will have interesting and valid things to say, I guess it depends on your goals.

Tatyana your awesome! Gotta love a hot chick thats smart and really knows and loves diet and bodybuilding! K to Ya!

 

[Nelson Montana]

You have a point. I am going to be a bit cheeky and controversial.

This is really the reality of it.

Whose advice would you take?

A. Someone started steroids in their early 20s and looks good in their twenties and claims you 'HAVE TO' take steroids to maintain muscle mass. Degree in business and management?

B. A self-proclaimed hard-gainer who built a physique without drugs and then pushed a wee bit further with steroids and still looks fabulous darling in his 50s

C. A natural female BBer who has dropped into single digits without any drugs and has added around 10 lbs of muscle in the last year even though she has been BBing for 5 years. biochemist geeky scientist whose casual reading is science and medical journals (reading the Annals of Clin Biochem on the latest things about obesity right now)

D. Anyone of the highly educated and/or years and years of experienced people here, I could name quite a few that give just awesome advice


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

All will have interesting and valid things to say, I guess it depends on your goals.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Nelson, lay off the clomid brosephine.

Tat, I've got some journals on my desk dealing with metabolism, sleep, and obesity... so there.

 

[sugashane]

i see guys all the time that do 3 times
what i do and they really don't look all that good. i train and eat with a seriousness
that most people couldn't comprehend. that's the key, not steroids.

Yet you tell that to 100 kids who want to juicew and 98-99 will think you're an idiot. Its sad. I think most just don't want to have to work.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

C. A natural female BBer who has dropped into single digits without any drugs and has added around 10 lbs of muscle in the last year even though she has been BBing for 5 years. biochemist geeky scientist whose casual reading is science and medical journals (reading the Annals of Clin Biochem on the latest things about obesity right now)

Tatyana, would you be able to evaluate what you mean by drugs?

I'm sure you know there are hundreds of definitions, one of the most commonly used:

'A drug, broadly speaking, is any chemical substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function.'

 

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, would you be able to evaluate what you mean by drugs?

I'm sure you know there are hundreds of definitions, one of the most commonly used:

'A drug, broadly speaking, is any chemical substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function.'

Bodybuilding drugs as defined by the IOC and WADA.

To be honest, I avoid a lot of BBing supps as so many are contaminated.

As far as drugs go, I have taken anti-biotics in the last five years.

Bodybuilding supps, Hydroxycut, San Tight, Animal Cuts, NO-Explode, whey, glutamine, creatine mono-hydrate.

Personally, I prefer to diet without OTC fat burners (some also contain ephedra or sida cordifolia or ma huang which are all banned as well) and the super high doses of caffeine can trigger a cortisol and in turn insulin response which has you deposit more belly fat AFTER you come off the diet.

The high caffeine also masks how tired you are in comp prep, and it really is better just to sleep (again minimising cortisol)

 

[Tatyana]

Nelson, lay off the clomid brosephine.

Tat, I've got some journals on my desk dealing with metabolism, sleep, and obesity... so there.

You work in emergency medicine don't you?

 

[OMEGA]

I'm currently finishing my 4th degree (Masters in Education) but it doesn't mean squat compared to the experience and insight of so many of the good bro's on here who have taken the time to help others use AAS safely and wisely...props and much thanks.

your a good egg

 

[Nelson Montana]

Caffeine is actually an extremely powerful drug. I predict in another 20 years it will be banned due to the fact that it's available to minors and its impact thereof.

 

[layinback]

What were your test levels so that you had to go HRT??
Was it affected severely due to AAS ' or it just dropped a little and you have ch?sen to go HRT???

thanks

i had just finished a cycle and my test was 225 lol!!! i never did enough aas
to damage my HPTA.

i'm 44 and HRT is par for the course.

 

[sshadoww]

Yet you tell that to 100 kids who want to juicew and 98-99 will think you're an idiot. Its sad. I think most just don't want to have to work.

Bingo! Or the patience to see it through...it seems that the new breed (not all but many) have an "I want it now and will pay later"- instant gratification no matter what the consequences are down the road- attitude.

 

[Ross]

You have a point. I am going to be a bit cheeky and controversial.

This is really the reality of it.

Whose advice would you take?

A. Someone started steroids in their early 20s and looks good in their twenties and claims you 'HAVE TO' take steroids to maintain muscle mass. Degree in business and management?

B. A self-proclaimed hard-gainer who built a physique without drugs and then pushed a wee bit further with steroids and still looks fabulous darling in his 50s

C. A natural female BBer who has dropped into single digits without any drugs and has added around 10 lbs of muscle in the last year even though she has been BBing for 5 years. biochemist geeky scientist whose casual reading is science and medical journals (reading the Annals of Clin Biochem on the latest things about obesity right now)

D. Anyone of the highly educated and/or years and years of experienced people here, I could name quite a few that give just awesome advice


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

All will have interesting and valid things to say, I guess it depends on your goals.

HRT? Last time I checked(5 months ago) my T level was 850 after several years of cycling. I have NEVER used Deca, Tren, or DROL. I am GIFTED and have a very strong HPTA as well.

I trained from age 14-21 ALL NATURAL, peaking out at around 185lbs,5% BF, 5''10. Basic Frank Zane stats.

 

[fast_lane]

Concerning the cuuting cycle question...The more muscular mass u have the faster and easier ur gonna loose fat...So u bulk and hafter u diet ,thats if u ever need to since u'll be loosing fat very easily.So whats the point of doing a cuting cycle..??It counterproductive...instead of thinkin bros just go for the gear without realising very simple things sometimes can make a big difference..

 

[KnockedOutFAST]

To gain 25 lbs of muscle after you have reached natty limits would be IMPOSSIBLE. To lose some fat however can be done anytime. Oh and "holy shit 1 POUND" of muscle compared to the 10-15 POUNDS of fat you lose if you have your diet/training in order, lets get realistic. You DONT need steroids while cutting, just a good diet, and i mean SPOT ON, and a good training routine, however if you are already cut and want to get to 6% BF then yea steroids seem reasonable. But if you are trying to be 6% you should already have the mass, and it wont look good (if you are on here then you wont look good - this is a steroids forum!) unless you are pretty big. Why would you want to preserve muscle mass? Steroids make muscle grow! Use that to your advantage!

 

[*The_West*]

^what on earth are you on about?^

 

[KnockedOutFAST]

^Bro, i made it in 30 seconds. My point is that steroids make muscle GROW, not PRESERVE muscle.

 

[Tatyana]

HRT? Last time I checked(5 months ago) my T level was 850 after several years of cycling. I have NEVER used Deca, Tren, or DROL. I am GIFTED and have a very strong HPTA as well.

I trained from age 14-21 ALL NATURAL, peaking out at around 185lbs,5% BF, 5''10. Basic Frank Zane stats.

I assert that people really don't sort out diet AND training that young, unless they have BBing champion parents or a mentor who is supporting them.

I bet you had more natural growth in you.

 

[1999TL]

I assert that people really don't sort out diet AND training that young, unless they have BBing champion parents or a mentor who is supporting them.

I bet you had more natural growth in you.

I'm sure he did, but he wouldn't have progressed at the rate he wanted.

 

[Ralph_Wiggum]

HRT? Last time I checked(5 months ago) my T level was 850 after several years of cycling. I have NEVER used Deca, Tren, or DROL. I am GIFTED and have a very strong HPTA as well.

I trained from age 14-21 ALL NATURAL, peaking out at around 185lbs,5% BF, 5''10. Basic Frank Zane stats.

With all due respect, I have to call BS on the "Frank Zane stats" part, at least with regards to looks. Frank Zane looked better than the pics I've seen of you juiced. You definitely have a lot of mass and definition, but, to say that you were in Mr. Olympia condition @ 21 years of age all natural is a tad crazy. We'd be seeing you on the Olympia stage right now competing with Cutler if that statement were remotely true.

^^no 21 year old who isn't a known pro-bodybuilder freak of nature looks like that.

 

[Nelson Montana]

With all due respect, I have to call BS on the "Frank Zane stats" part, at least with regards to looks. Frank Zane looked better than the pics I've seen of you juiced. You definitely have a lot of mass and definition, but, to say that you were in Mr. Olympia condition @ 21 years of age all natural is a tad crazy. We'd be seeing you on the Olympia stage right now competing with Cutler if that statement were remotely true.

^^no 21 year old who isn't a known pro-bodybuilder freak of nature looks like that.

Goddamn was Zane awesome or what? It's hilarious that Ross would compare himself to that. Why? Because he's the same height and weight?! LOL!

Yeah, and I'm also calling BS on the 850 T level while off of everything. A couple of posts ago Ross said he was on pretty much all the time, so which is it?

 

[halfcenturian]

Goddamn was Zane awesome or what? It's hilarious that Ross would compare himself to that. Why? Because he's the same height and weight?! LOL!

Yeah, and I'm also calling BS on the 850 T level while off of everything. A couple of posts ago Ross said he was on pretty much all the time, so which is it?

Isn't it a SHAME that youth is wasted on the young, Nelson???

It's hard to remain neutral with this Ross thing. This guy has one of the biggest ego's/ inferiority complex's, I've ever seen! He's 26 years old !

Why does he continue to flatter himself? Who does he think he is? Who cares?

MOST IMPORTANTLY... WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO LET HIM ???

BAN HIS ASS ONCE AND FOR ALL. JESUS CHRIST-- ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Isn't it a SHAME that youth is wasted on the young, Nelson???

It's hard to remain neutral with this Ross thing. This guy has one of the biggest ego's/ inferiority complex's, I've ever seen! He's 26 years old !

Why does he continue to flatter himself? Who does he think he is? Who cares?

MOST IMPORTANTLY... WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO LET HIM ???

BAN HIS ASS ONCE AND FOR ALL. JESUS CHRIST-- ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

Well, it's not up to me to ban anybody, but I know what you mean.

Ross doesn't get to me but there are hundreds of people who show up here on EF who don't know the difference. They see that Ross is jacked and assume he might know his shit. They ask him questions and thank him for the advice. So chiming in just to say, "Hold on! That's wrong"...it's just conversation.

And people who blow their own horn sometimes get attention. As a senior (ulp) member I think it's worth addressing and showing where the thinking is off base.

 

[Ross]

LoL

Post some pics old guys

You don't look like I do without MASTERING DIET AND TRAINING.

 

[JLowe02]

LoL

Post some pics old guys

You don't look like I do without MASTERING DIET AND TRAINING.

maybe not but genetics play a huge role. i know guys that walk around with just as much mass if not more than me, and they are shredded. Guess what? some of these guys eat cheesburgers for breakfast, work offshore, where the weight rooms are notoriously shitty, and occasionally snort cocaine and wash it down with budweiser. chock it up to genetics because they look great without knowing a damn thing about diet or training properly. whereas i bust my ass and i still have doubts that i will ever get under 10% bf.

 

[whitemahon]

Just in case anybody missed it. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4JMOh-cul6M

Jersey Ross' new haircut.

 

[*The_West*]

ross mate, im sure i dont need to tell you this but ignore all these lot that are slating you, they are jealous and are looking for any way to bring you down.
i dont see why people keep slating him-yes, he has used a lot of steroids, but to bring a physique to that level of symmetry, size and proportion takes dedication and knowledge of both training and diet. you think ross just started shooting 2 g's a week and sat on the sofa and grew into that shape? dont be so stupid, quit being jealous and get your arse in the gym.

 

[Nelson Montana]

ross mate, im sure i dont need to tell you this but ignore all these lot that are slating you, they are jealous and are looking for any way to bring you down.
i dont see why people keep slating him-yes, he has used a lot of steroids, but to bring a physique to that level of symmetry, size and proportion takes dedication and knowledge of both training and diet. you think ross just started shooting 2 g's a week and sat on the sofa and grew into that shape? dont be so stupid, quit being jealous and get your arse in the gym.

Being in shape has nothing to do with it. I deleted Ross's last post because he was getting nasty. And yes, sorry half-c, you're a good bro but in all fairness I had to do the same with your post because I think you're doing what you said I shouldn't do -- let Ross get you.

Ross knows that being arrogant will get a response and get attention and that that's what he wants. The thing is, theses days on established boards like EF that sort of hijacking is really bad form -- especially since this guy has ZERO credibility and ZERO reputation. He has nothing to lose by barging in and trampling over everything.

Sure, he's jacked and normally his opinion would be welcome BUT that isn't his intention. He wants to be the top dog and he wants to dominate the supplement sales and in both cases he's way out of line.

He gives a lot of bad/erroneous advice and his products are suspect to say the least. (I never could understand why anyone would buy a product from someone who obviously neither used the ingredients themselves or had anything to do with the formulation).

So, don't pull the jealousy card here. People are just getting annoyed, that's all.

 

[Tatyana]

ross mate, im sure i dont need to tell you this but ignore all these lot that are slating you, they are jealous and are looking for any way to bring you down.
i dont see why people keep slating him-yes, he has used a lot of steroids, but to bring a physique to that level of symmetry, size and proportion takes dedication and knowledge of both training and diet. you think ross just started shooting 2 g's a week and sat on the sofa and grew into that shape? dont be so stupid, quit being jealous and get your arse in the gym.

No it's not jealousy.

It is Ross's agenda.

 

[*The_West*]

what agenda?
and nelson, doesn't everyone who runs a supplement company want 'dominate' the market? i certainly have never seen him chime in on every other thread saying "oh for that you need this product that i make stacked with that product that i make and a bit of this other product that i make aswell" as i have seen you doing. im not disputing that your products get good good reviews, but you whore them out more than ross does.

 

[Ross]

Being in shape has nothing to do with it. I deleted Ross's last post because he was getting nasty. And yes, sorry half-c, you're a good bro but in all fairness I had to do the same with your post because I think you're doing what you said I shouldn't do -- let Ross get you.

Ross knows that being arrogant will get a response and get attention and that that's what he wants. The thing is, theses days on established boards like EF that sort of hijacking is really bad form -- especially since this guy has ZERO credibility and ZERO reputation. He has nothing to lose by barging in and trampling over everything.

Sure, he's jacked and normally his opinion would be welcome BUT that isn't his intention. He wants to be the top dog and he wants to dominate the supplement sales and in both cases he's way out of line.

He gives a lot of bad/erroneous advice and his products are suspect to say the least. (I never could understand why anyone would buy a product from someone who obviously neither used the ingredients themselves or had anything to do with the formulation).

So, don't pull the jealousy card here. People are just getting annoyed, that's all.

Just so you know, I PERSONALLY formulated Omnibolic & AndroGenerator, and I am the SOLE OWNER & President of Supreme Sports Enhancements. You don't OWN anything, you simply design supplements for another company.

I really can't believe what you just posted above.....

 

[Tatyana]

what agenda?
and nelson, doesn't everyone who runs a supplement company want 'dominate' the market? i certainly have never seen him chime in on every other thread saying "oh for that you need this product that i make stacked with that product that i make and a bit of this other product that i make aswell" as i have seen you doing. im not disputing that your products get good good reviews, but you whore them out more than ross does.

Ross is not a COTB.

Nelson is.

There is a difference.

I would also do a few searches on omnibolic.

Ross has promoted this supp on quite a few boards already.

 

[Nelson Montana]

There are sponsors who pay to be on EF. I can promote my line because I was invited to do so by the owners due to my rep in the industry. Ross, as far as I know, fulfills neither of these requirements.

But honestly, I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with the guy. But if I disagree with an opinion I'm going to say so.

 

[Ross]

There are sponsors who pay to be on EF. I can promote my line because I was invited to do so by the owners due to my rep in the industry. Ross, as far as I know, fulfills neither of these requirements.

But honestly, I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with the guy. But if I disagree with an opinion I'm going to say so.

I don't promote my line here, I suggest my products. BIG difference between what you do and what I do.

Furthermore, you have no idea what type of arrangements I have with EF or it's staff, please worry about your own business.

 

[rockdoc]

We should rename this thread "Nelson vs. Ross"

 

[Nelson Montana]

I don't promote my line here, I suggest my products. BIG difference between what you do and what I do.

Furthermore, you have no idea what type of arrangements I have with EF or it's staff, please worry about your own business.

I said exactly that...I don't know. I do know you were banned before but if Rick is cool with you being here, I have no problem with it.

You SUGGEST your products and I PROMOTE them? Not sure of the difference bro but I never posted 3 page promos on my stuff.

Bottom line, you can do what you do and I'll do what I do . And sometimes there's going to be a difference of opinion.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

FWIW, I really enjoyed the history of bodybuilding from Nelson's Bodybuilding Truth book... his calf workout kills me. A lot of the workouts presented here and other places aren't applicable to my goals for 3/4 of the year, but I still appreciate the opinions.

 

[airsmith2k]

nelson and ross should meet put on a pair of posing trunks and see who the true king is haha

 

[Ross]

I said exactly that...I don't know. I do know you were banned before but if Rick is cool with you being here, I have no problem with it.

You SUGGEST your products and I PROMOTE them? Not sure of the difference bro but I never posted 3 page promos on my stuff.

Bottom line, you can do what you do and I'll do what I do . And sometimes there's going to be a difference of opinion.

Differences of opinion are fine, just don't present YOUR OPINIONS as FACTS bro.

 

[chazk]

In a manner of speaking.

Allow me to explain.

I've said this before but it bares repeating. STEROIDS ARE GROWTH DRUGS. People have got to stop this "Lean bulking" bullshit. I would love to erase the word "CUTTER" from the message boards. Why? Because it's a fallacy and a waste of gear.

The technique of "cutting" with gear became popular among competitive bodybuilders in the 90's in a effort to maintain anabolism while restricting calories (and taking stims) in order to cut. It doesn't do much good but at that level you have to take every advantage you can get. Now I see guys who barely look like they work out doing a "lean bulk" with gear. Fuck, step back from the refrigerator and get a little closer to the squat rack!

I'd say except in the case of maybe one or two members (that means the other TWO THOUSAND of you)...STOP WASTING MONEY ON GEAR THAT IS NOT BEING PROPERLY UTILIZED!

Protein, calories and heavy lifting is what allows steroids to be effective, not
cutting calories and doing cardio. That's fucking gay.

Sure, some may say "cutting" while on a cycle worked for them, but it's a vanity trip. The results will be short lived. Hell, I have a client who was using nothing but ZIP and Lypoflame but I had him cut back on carbs and shortened time between sets and in 3 weeks, though he's about the same weight, is far more ripped and rock hard. That's the way you do it.

Face it. You, me, and most everyone here will never be a pro. Stop using steroids like you're one! Save that shit for a time when you're planning on getting bigger.

Gear if for GROWTH. Nuff said.

I reread the post ...

You know what nelson you are correct. Steroids back in the 60's 70's 80's up intill the late 80's early 90's were used just for one purpose gaining muscle.
You never heard stories of guys saying back in the day " i took this that and this to burn fat and lean out "
they busted their ass worked out and trained and the steroids promoted growth and the leaness they achived was due to busting ass in the gym.

It was not untill maybe around 1990 that bodybuilders started creating steroid cutting cycles and when they did suddenly guys like rich gaspari where comming in beyond cut they were comming in literally shredded.

But for standard prurposes steroids should be used for growth anyone using steroids to "cut up" that does not compete or willing to bust ass is just to lazy to watch the diet and keep up with the cardio in my opinion.

Some guys are to much of a fucking pussy to break a sweat and mess up their hair ,they would rather just swallow some thyroid and high dose tren and other drugs to lean up.I look at the gym and a battle ground I am their to bust ass and destroy , never had a problem with leaning out I just speed up my rountine and take less time between sets to keep the movments going ad heart rate up

if someone competes that is fine do what you have to do, but when i see guys running primo,tren anavar with winstrol hoping to drop from 18% bf down to 10% bf. Give me a fucking break you could get down to 10% with a little test and watching you're diet.
Now if you need to get down to 3%bf from 10%bf that is another ball game.
and most guys on elite do not need to or get down that low with exception of a few guys that compete

 

[*The_West*]

nelson and ross should meet put on a pair of posing trunks and see who the true king is haha

now THAT i would like to see!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Differences of opinion are fine, just don't present YOUR OPINIONS as FACTS bro.

I only present the facts as facts bro. I also offer some alternative ways of looking at things. You, on the other hand come off like an expert and go about doing so by telling others who know far more that they don't know what they're talking about. That just makes you look silly.

To the guy who wants Ross and I to have a physique show down -- tell you what -- how about a "before and after" comparison to see who actually made better gains without drugs? I know I'll win that one hands down.

Plus, I'd like to see Ross place at the NPC with a cycle of 200 mgs of deca a week and 15 mgs of dball a day for just 6 weeks prior. Then we can talk.

And not for nothing, I know guys who are bigger than Ross who wouldn't know what an amino acid is. Would you take THEIR advice?

 

[chazk]

I only present the facts as facts bro. I also offer some alternative ways of looking at things. You, on the other hand come off like an expert and go about doing so by telling others who know far more that they don't know what they're talking about. That just makes you look silly.

To the guy who wants Ross and I to have a physique show down -- tell you what -- how about a "before and after" comparison to see who actually made better gains without drugs? I know I'll win that one hands down.

Plus, I'd like to see Ross place at the NPC with a cycle of 200 mgs of deca a week and 15 mgs of dball a day for just 6 weeks prior. Then we can talk.

And not for nothing, I know guys who are bigger than Ross who wouldn't know what an amino acid is. Would you take THEIR advice?

During the pose down the one with the biggest nerdiest glasses wins ! You better get shopping nelson !

 

[Burpees]

I only present the facts as facts bro. I also offer some alternative ways of looking at things. You, on the other hand come off like an expert and go about doing so by telling others who know far more that they don't know what they're talking about. That just makes you look silly.

To the guy who wants Ross and I to have a physique show down -- tell you what -- how about a "before and after" comparison to see who actually made better gains without drugs? I know I'll win that one hands down.

Plus, I'd like to see Ross place at the NPC with a cycle of 200 mgs of deca a week and 15 mgs of dball a day for just 6 weeks prior. Then we can talk.

And not for nothing, I know guys who are bigger than Ross who wouldn't know what an amino acid is. Would you take THEIR advice?

You made me rethink everything when I read the first chapter of the Bodybuilding Truth. Genetics > Hard work, effort, motivation, dedication, drugs. Sad but true, I know a few guys who live on pizza and beer and look like they are ready to step on stage in a few months. I on the other hand have been dieting for a fucking year and still look like I only hit the weights before holiday weekends. Bullshit.

I had a point..I think.