Everybody Here SUCKS!

[aquatic_glories]

It also depends A LOT on bodytype. For an ecto, going from low bf% to very low bf% is very very hard. Meso's can do much better job.

 

[khemix]

There are so many people kissing so much ass to others in here.

Theres a lot of bad advice in this thread.

People that tell you that you HAVE TO take steroids to lean out without losing a large amount of your muscle...I wouldn't consider that good advice.

Gee...lets make people here feel like they need steroids even more..........

Chris

 

[Big_BK]

There are so many people kissing so much ass to others in here.

Theres a lot of bad advice in this thread.

People that tell you that you HAVE TO take steroids to lean out without losing a large amount of your muscle...I wouldn't consider that good advice.

Gee...lets make people here feel like they need steroids even more..........

Chris

Best advice in here, as well as swole. Everyone has a different body type but at the end of the day we are all individual and our body react differently.

 

[*The_West*]

its simple- if you are a competitive bb, losing any muscle mass, however insignificant an amount is not acceptable, you will need to stay on whilst cutting
if you are not, then it is perfectly do-able to cut bf with correct diet and cardio, you shouldnt be taking drugs that you dont need to, we all know that. if you lose a little bit of muscle mass, dont worry about it, as long as you gained more than you lost, you can always bulk up again at a later stage.
khemix-if you were referring to me as one of these "ass kissers" i resent that, i said that ross has an incredible physique, which he does. not kissing ass, stating fact. yeah, he probably made a couple of bad moves down the line, who doesnt? but the end result is there, and you dont get to look like that without knowing what you are doing.

 

[gjohnson5]

its simple- if you are a competitive bb, losing any muscle mass, however insignificant an amount is not acceptable, you will need to stay on whilst cutting
if you are not, then it is perfectly do-able to cut bf with correct diet and cardio, you shouldnt be taking drugs that you dont need to, we all know that. if you lose a little bit of muscle mass, dont worry about it, as long as you gained more than you lost, you can always bulk up again at a later stage.
khemix-if you were referring to me as one of these "ass kissers" i resent that, i said that ross has an incredible physique, which he does. not kissing ass, stating fact. yeah, he probably made a couple of bad moves down the line, who doesnt? but the end result is there, and you dont get to look like that without knowing what you are doing.

Ross said nothing about competitive body building. He was speaking in absolutes

 

[*The_West*]

Ross said nothing about competitive body building. He was speaking in absolutes

no, he said that if you place yourself in a calorific deficit and increase cardio you will lose muscle mass. which is true. some non competitive bb'ers want to hang on to every gram of muscle, which if they do its up to them.

 

[khemix]

its simple- if you are a competitive bb, losing any muscle mass, however insignificant an amount is not acceptable, you will need to stay on whilst cutting
if you are not, then it is perfectly do-able to cut bf with correct diet and cardio, you shouldnt be taking drugs that you dont need to, we all know that. if you lose a little bit of muscle mass, dont worry about it, as long as you gained more than you lost, you can always bulk up again at a later stage.
khemix-if you were referring to me as one of these "ass kissers" i resent that, i said that ross has an incredible physique, which he does. not kissing ass, stating fact. yeah, he probably made a couple of bad moves down the line, who doesnt? but the end result is there, and you dont get to look like that without knowing what you are doing.

I 100% agree with you westie. But 99.8% of people here dont compete. So the man thats telling everyone they cant lean out and not lose all their muscle without steroids....he should be addressing the competitive guys. NOT THE AVERAGE ELITE USER. Thats why I call that bad advice. What would you call it?

That is exactly why I didn't disclose any names. I wasn't talking about you specifically. Just because someone looks good, doesn't mean their healthy and that they have the right advice to give. And just because someone isn't jacked, that doesn't mean their advice isn't every bit as good as mine.

And about that end result...that end result can be acquired in a very unhealthy manner. Gear on top of gear on top of gear WILL force you to grow. That doesn't mean their advice is smart. And no, I'm not talking about anyone in particular. This is a general statement.

Chris

 

[SpyWizard]

i lean bulk

or should i say

i stay lean while bulking??

i'm confused

cool thing is about this primo and test run i only gained about 12lbs but i'm so much bigger and leaner it's incredible

all on maintenance calories, with the occasional day of stuffing my face with everything

i just watch and listen to my body - if i'm gaining bad weight i look at what i've been eating and make changes

i don't do cardio llolool

i have to agree screw cardio,

I've never wanted to gain 30 lbs on a cycle, muscle or not, i'm bigger than most i encounter in life anyway, younger or older than myself..

what does aas do for me?? it allows me to heal, recover, and to build a stronger body..

so much in life is uncontrollable, even the illusion that we can control our body composition (to a point) so recreational use of steroids, and the diet to lean out without becoming catabolic, to heal that knee injury, and to feel better about one's self is not a bad thing..

However, the original post in this thread is correct, most here will not be pro, they will mess their hormone levels up with 1000mg test cycles and cause many to bloat, and have ed... oh well, over time they will recover..

happy lifting..

 

[*The_West*]

very true. but a lot of the time ross' posts have to be taken for what they are-information, that he knows will cause a debate.

 

[gjohnson5]

I believe you will lose lean BODY mass which is different from muscle mass.
Also I believe he used the word SIGNIFICANT... So he believe that ANYONE will lose significant muscle mass while dieting.
I believe it is totally possible to naturally lose 30 lbs without dropping muscle

What I am saying is that his diet needs work. Muscle mass losses can be minimized with a good diet and cardio which is directed at fat loss. This is the whole reason we have diet and cardio boards. If you don't read them then you can give the impression that the only way is drug use.

Use more nutrient dense meals with more competent timing as well as with 65% VO2MAX style cardio and muscle mass losses can be minimized.

no, he said that if you place yourself in a calorific deficit and increase cardio you will lose muscle mass. which is true. some non competitive bb'ers want to hang on to every gram of muscle, which if they do its up to them.