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This is a little off topic here, but I think it hits home for many others and me.

I have to say a few things because I see a lot of other boards jumping up lately, and I want to talk a little about what in my opinion makes a great fitness board.

First off, let me say that Elite is my home. Always has been always will be. I didn’t get my start here, but this is the place I call home. Why? Well not just because the wealth of knowledge that I have learned or shared with others over all these years. It’s really for two reasons. These two reason are the same reasons that Chemical Muscle is now my second home. Here they are:

The first reason is the friends that I have made here. The kind of friends that you trust with your life and that you would die for. I made my best friend here at Elite and I wouldn’t trade that for the world. Several of the male moderators here at Elite I consider very close friends. We kind of have our own family and such and to me that’s what makes this site so special, community.

The second reason is the NO BULLSHIT sponsors. Now you may ask what that means. Well I will explain it right here for all the thousands who have asked. Elite Fitness does what it does with Platinum and E-Books, Ligament Supplement Companies (Ana Fit comes to mind ) and sales like that so it doesn’t need direct sponsors that much.

People like to bitch sometimes about how Elite does this and that to make money, and then they get pissed and head off to some of these other boards. Let me clue you in on something people, MOST not all but MOST of these boards are selling advertising to ancillary type companies. Now don’t freak out by what I said, just listen for a second OK?

I think my Great friend Huck said it best as follows:

"Ancillaries are not OTC, they are prescription DRUGS. They may be non-scheduled, but they are still CONTROLLED substances. It is going to be a matter of time now (due to all the blatant advertising of these web-sites, as well as people who are constantly posting their URL's all over every discussion board they can find) before this, "for research purposes only" slogan is going to be ripped to pieces by lawmakers/authorities, and we are helping to bring on this finality by blatantly posting these sites out in the open. I have always lived by a saying, "Rub the governments nose in what you're doing long enough, and eventually the wrong nose will start sniffing into what you're doing and pull your card". Discretion is not only smart, it is PRESERVATORY". - Huck

Remember that next time you complain about what is free and what isn’t. Look at the sites you visit outside of Elite. Are they promoting these types of sites? What happens if one goes down? Do the members of the site they advertised get protected? I doubt it highly.

It happened right here at Elite one. Elite member base was going to get subpoenaed, but ELITE hired Rick Collins to defend the member’s rights, how many other sites would do that for you? Heck, and that was just over a person who POSTED here, and didn’t advertise. Just imagine if Elite had been running a banner? Wow.

In the years that I have been a Mod, then an Elite Mod here I have been offered Moderator position at other boards, and so have most of the other Elite Mods. Why did I never go anywhere, because of the above two reasons. My family, community and the smart business ideas of Mr. George Spellwin.

Now, you may say but I see that URL in your sig line for Chemical Muscle. I would answer yes you do, and you also see it in most of the Elite mods signatures here. Because it is a site that has business ethics, and is running a business rather than "another" steroid site. My family is there, the sense of community is there and the smart business practices and no forced advertising is there, that’s why I am there and so many of my friends are too.

Anyway, I wanted to let some of this out as it has been on my mind for a while. Don’t get me wrong though, I think there are a LOT of great fitness sites out there, however, in my opinion there are two that I call home. Home is where my friends are, home is where there is knowledge and dedication, and home is smart business.

p.s. Big props to my friends Citrus, Ranger, Huck, 2Thick, Frackal and Zyg Also a big plug for Anabolic Fitness. I have nothing but respect for these guys and their products. :)
 
as a mod on other boards with so many great bro like Lawnsaver,Canuck, The Bouncer, and The Terminator

I agree that even though there is alot of bullshit here, I have met alot of good peeps,

EF is kind of a "central hub" where we all meet regardless of what Sub-Boards we belong to.:mix:
 
I have been on here for almost 4 years now (my old account was deleted when the board changed over a while back). I love it here. I rarely ever venture to another site. There are a lot of great guys on here and a wealth of information. I will never go elsewhere. :D
 
Johnny Cut said:
as a mod on other boards with so many great bro like Lawnsaver,Canuck, The Bouncer, and The Terminator

I agree that even though there is alot of bullshit here, I have met alot of good peeps,

EF is kind of a "central hub" where we all meet regardless of what Sub-Boards we belong to.:mix:

This is exactly how I feel. I go to a few other boards, but this is usually the first one I check when I log on everyday...If I know of you in this community it is because I have belonged to this board for so long...

Wohho, post 4,000. I am now officially a Mutant. :mix:
 
I've only tried a couple other sites, free one at that, and I still come back to elite everyday. I'm hoping to be here long enough to build a base of friends much like kronk. Props to this board and the brothers on here that help each other.
 
I think you guys are all on track and yes we all love Elite. But make sure that you read the post, as what I am talking about here goes deeper then just loving Elite. Its about your SAFETY
 
I like this board! I have learned alot here as well. I became a plat member to give a little back for all the info I have learned! However, what I don't like about this board is smartass remarks by people who think they may know everything! If someone ask's a reasonable question, they should get a fair and reasonable answer, period. Not some flamin smartass remark! I quarentee you that this will cause good people to leave. Just my 2's
 
one thing...

i am all for one making money, and elitefitness is no exception.
however, when the community starts suffering because of it, i believe it is wrong.

This relates to elitefitness in that the search feature has been made platinum.

I can understand hushmail charging for accounts, i can understand elite deleting you if you arnt platinum, and i can understand "platinum only" boards. Restricting the search feature is fucked up.
By charging money for using the search, they are stating their ownership over all the ideas contained therin. Now those ideas may not have been copywritten, but they have been put on the board for all of us to share and learn by. For us ALL to learn by, not just those privledged enough to waste 15 bucks a month. Think of all the work some individuals have put into their posts, REALGAINS comes to mind. Now elite is charging others for access to the info that he worked on, when at no time did he give his permission for it to be used thus. ( im not saying in any way that this is illegal, im sure its all part of the aggreement you make when you register.)Its like you building a swing for your friend, then him charging you access to it. WE BUILT THIS BOARD, WITHOUT ALL THE CONTRIBUTIONS FROM ITS USERS IT WOULD NOT BE THE BOARD THAT IT IS TODAY!
Again, not that the board doesnt need money to run and such, but I remember many going platinum before it essentially was forced on us.

Not only do i think this corrupts the meaning of these boards for us, it actually lowers the quality of the elitefitness boards (atleast the anabolic board). This occurs in two ways:

the flooding of the board by newbie posts. Individuals that prieviously could have searched out the info needed now have to ask for it, so day after day we see the same posts.

This also creates a hostile environment for newbies. Why would they hang around and eventually perhaps decide to go platinum when they arnt even allowed to get a start here? Do you think that after they are accepted into the fold of a free board that they would actually come over to elite and pay for the same info?

In case anyone cares, i have been around far longer then my screen name suggests, but i have lost access to my original accounts (i would have to pay to get them back as they have been deleted).

again, not that elite shouldnt make money off its popularity, but shutting off the flow of information only makes this lifestyle more dangerous for all of us.
 
I think the main point is... if you advertise Ancillary products, you are supporting an illegal activity... plain and simple. And when the site goes down, the members ... well... think about that for a minute.

I think Canuck got the point.

C-ditty
 
my sentiments are the same as slaughterhouse regarding the search feature
 
Actually I think everyone got the point, They're probably using the opportunity to complain about something they don't understand!
 
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Citruscide said:
I think the main point is... if you advertise Ancillary products, you are supporting an illegal activity... plain and simple. And when the site goes down, the members ... well... think about that for a minute.

I think Canuck got the point.

C-ditty

Besides, just because I'm a member of a certain board doesn't mean I'm involved with their activities! You would have one hell of a time proving that! This is all entertainment for me!
 
wyld1g said:
I like this board! I have learned alot here as well. I became a plat member to give a little back for all the info I have learned! However, what I don't like about this board is smartass remarks by people who think they may know everything! If someone ask's a reasonable question, they should get a fair and reasonable answer, period. Not some flamin smartass remark! I quarentee you that this will cause good people to leave. Just my 2's

I agree with this and I am sorry that you have had to go through it. Rest assured its even worse on some other boards. Hang in there, and if you have a question, I will do the best I can to answer it. Peace
 
wyld1g said:


Besides, just because I'm a member of a certain board doesn't mean I'm involved with their activities! You would have one hell of a time proving that! This is all entertainment for me!

They probably wouldn't have much trouble proving you ordered from their sponsor... if indeed, you did.

If you didn't, probably have not much to worry about.. .except that they knew you are a member... but that is just splitting hairs.

Fact is... supporting an activity like that is illegal in and of itself... ordering from them, isn't any more legal... slapping "research materials" on a box doesn't make it so...

Otherwise, I'd have that slapped on every AAS I had sent to me and claim I was running a test to see if AAS caused roid-rages...

C-ditty
 
wyld1g said:


Besides, just because I'm a member of a certain board doesn't mean I'm involved with their activities! You would have one hell of a time proving that! This is all entertainment for me!

Actually, its not the point about convicting you. They CAN subpoena personal information, IP address, posts that are made, PMs anything that you have ever done or said. Your point about entertainment purposes is the same as the point about for research purposes. It really offers you no protection.

Understand, that if one of these boards goes down, ALL of your information can be given up. They do not need to prove anything to question you, or to make your life hell. Think about that.

Regardless, I am not bashing any of these boards. I was making a point about what makes my [2] boards my home. I am only a mod 2 places for a reason.
 
I don't support anything illegal! I do however support elite by becoming a plat member! As I stated earlier, I like this board, and for the most part, the people are very helpful. There has been only a couple of times someone pissed me off. Good thing to be seperated by a computer screen sometimes, would'nt you agree?
 
wyld1g - WIth all due respect you are missing the point, but thats cool. Remember one thing, Citruscide is an attorney and I am as well. Its not like we are taking out of our asses.

Think of it this way, if you go to work each and everyday, and work hard for your money, but your BOSS is dealing drugs out of his office. Even know you have no idea, the Feds have the right to seal the whole place and go through EVERYONES records. Make more sense.

Regardless, we enjoy having you as a member and as a supporting member at that. I am not going to get into busting other boards, I just wanted to make a post about why I love my homes. Nuff said, Peace and respect brother.
 
kronk said:
wyld1g - WIth all due respect you are missing the point, but thats cool. Remember one thing, Citruscide is an attorney and I am as well. Its not like we are taking out of our asses.

Think of it this way, if you go to work each and everyday, and work hard for your money, but your BOSS is dealing drugs out of his office. Even know you have no idea, the Feds have the right to seal the whole place and go through EVERYONES records. Make more sense.

Regardless, we enjoy having you as a member and as a supporting member at that. I am not going to get into busting other boards, I just wanted to make a post about why I love my homes. Nuff said, Peace and respect brother.

I gave you Karma! and I never do that...lol..cool bro!
 
Citruscide said:


Otherwise, I'd have that slapped on every AAS I had sent to me and claim I was running a test to see if AAS caused roid-rages...

C-ditty

I got alot of false positives when i conducted that research myself

let me know hor your testing goes :):p
 
i am sorry, but you are wrong citrucide, call the dea and ask, and your steroid analogy was quite frivolous, you have turned your heated opinion into an attack even though you proclaim it is not the reason research purposes only is used has more to do with the fda protocols and not as much legality of said substance clenbuterol is the exception, now, proving that your using it for research is different, in fact using antifreeze improperly is illegal
 
As a follow up, i once again state tehy are not illegal as long as they are not for human consumption, now the burden i on the state to prove they were for consumption but they are not ilelgla at this moment in time much like many other substances are not illegal unless distributed with intent for human consumption "

"trafficking these substances with the intent of human consumption can still be prosecuted"- this a a direct quote from the DEA in regards to virtually any substance i refer to anti freeze using it imporperly is a federal offense
 
also c-ditty, what are you to say about elite's promotion of obtaining illegal SCHEDULED drugs by your previous post logic elite is jsut as bad i belive they sel an e-book and use a phrase about how it teaches you to obtain ilelgal substances without getting caught, not bashing on elite and i hav eno personal vandetta here as my site doesn't host sponsorship for any companies selling chemicals i just wnat to get the facts out call you local Dea office for further clarification
 
This is my only site, and I have learned everything I know about gear right here in the last few years.

Not that I know all that much, constantly learning, but I feel great about my progress and appearance. In the past 5 years I have put on 25 lbs of muscle and lost 25 lbs of fat.

53 years old, 5’5” 185# and 9 percent body fat.


How many 53 year old american men have a 29 inch waist?
 
nice6pac said:
As a follow up, i once again state tehy are not illegal as long as they are not for human consumption, now the burden i on the state to prove they were for consumption but they are not ilelgla at this moment in time much like many other substances are not illegal unless distributed with intent for human consumption "

"trafficking these substances with the intent of human consumption can still be prosecuted"- this a a direct quote from the DEA in regards to virtually any substance i refer to anti freeze using it imporperly is a federal offense

nice6pac, hate to burst your bubble, but you are very incorrect.

You need to understand that these companies are selling CONTROLLED substances. Just because there is a label on them that says for research purposes only, DOESNT protect them. All it takes is a show on how the products are marketed. Are these products being marketed to universities, other types of school and research labs? No they are not. They are marketed directly at bodybuilders and people that are on these sites. The members even post as a point of record and say that they have used them with much success. That alone shows intent. I don’t see these companies marketing their wares anywhere but direct to consumers for human use.

Funny to see you and others actually fight something that was posted here to protect you. Sounds like there is a vested intrest at stake here.

Peace and respect
 
nice6pac said:
also c-ditty, what are you to say about elite's promotion of obtaining illegal SCHEDULED drugs by your previous post logic elite is jsut as bad i belive they sel an e-book and use a phrase about how it teaches you to obtain ilelgal substances without getting caught, not bashing on elite and i hav eno personal vandetta here as my site doesn't host sponsorship for any companies selling chemicals i just wnat to get the facts out call you local Dea office for further clarification

Well, I am not Citruscide, but I will take a stab at it. You are comparing apples to oranges with this statement. Elite is selling an e-book on how to obtain steroids via the mail and other tricks and such with pharmacies that are out of the United States of America. They are not SELLING the items, nor are they allowing others that SELL the items to advertise on the site. HUGE difference there nice6pac, and I would have assumed that you would have seen that before making a comment like that.
 
Originally posted by kronk


nice6pac, hate to burst your bubble, but you are very incorrect.

You need to understand that these companies are selling CONTROLLED substances. Just because there is a label on them that says for research purposes only, DOESNT protect them. All it takes is a show on how the products are marketed. Are these products being marketed to universities, other types of school and research labs? No they are not. They are marketed directly at bodybuilders and people that are on these sites. The members even post as a point of record and say that they have used them with much success. That alone shows intent. I don’t see these companies marketing their wares anywhere but direct to consumers for human use.

Funny to see you and others actually fight something that was posted here to protect you. Sounds like there is a vested intrest at stake here.

Peace and respect

I hope you don't mean me brutha! I'm tring to understand all this stuff, I know I can be slow sometimes...besides, I gave you karma damnit!...lol...
 
kronk, like i stated before, its not CURRENTLY illegal, because the state has not proven that the substances are being used in apporpiatley as an attorney you should be well aware that one person could be convicted one could be deemed innocent for the same offense, as for the vested interest, where is it? In response to elite's maeting of e-books i was using the same logic, i cannot be prosecuted if i chose to put a banner up in which a site advertised its products because its not illegal, unless your willing to make the statement that you can prove in every instance to a jruy beyond a reasonable doubt that they are being used inappopriatley , because not all sites market them the same and iam more than confident some sites would get off,now researchkits.com they are fucked they had a board strictly for the purpose of utilizing their kits in an illegal manner that would be an instance where their is significant precedent for conviction ia m hope i am makingit clear unless they are being marketed in a manner consistant with illegal distribution then they are not illegal,
 
for simple clarity, unless a court is going to rule them illegal they are not as they are not violating any known laws, that is i am sure they are violating fda regualtionsl but since its not for human consumption its an entire gray area,truth be told, call the dea and ask. to sum it up call the dea, call the dea, call the dea, as they stand in current us law its not illegal, just like pipe shops are not illegal they still got arrested but you can be arrested without breaking laws, and to make it clear Call the dea and ask kronk call teh dea and ask them,
 
nice6pac said:
kronk, like i stated before, its not CURRENTLY illegal, because the state has not proven that the substances are being used in apporpiatley as an attorney you should be well aware that one person could be convicted one could be deemed innocent for the same offense, as for the vested interest, where is it? In response to elite's maeting of e-books i was using the same logic, i cannot be prosecuted if i chose to put a banner up in which a site advertised its products because its not illegal, unless your willing to make the statement that you can prove in every instance to a jruy beyond a reasonable doubt that they are being used inappopriatley , because not all sites market them the same and iam more than confident some sites would get off,now researchkits.com they are fucked they had a board strictly for the purpose of utilizing their kits in an illegal manner that would be an instance where their is significant precedent for conviction ia m hope i am makingit clear unless they are being marketed in a manner consistant with illegal distribution then they are not illegal,

Listen nice6pac. I am very well known, and I believe that I am highly respected. Out of sheer grace I am going to bow out of this thread. I can not argue this subject with you as you are so completely ignorant of the facts its like having an argument with a screen door. I am not trying to be an ass, but nice6pac you are WRONG. If I continue with you I will end up flaming you and/or loosing my temper or my ability to think rationally.

The whole paragraph you just wrote makes no sense, its incoherent and barley legible. It is very clear not only to me, but I assume most coherent members that you missed the point and seem bent more an arguing about something that you clearly have no knowledge about.

Take care and have fun.

p.s. (have to make this point) Selling a CONTROLLED substance IS CURRENT ILLEGAL. Yes, as an attorney I know that some may get off and others wont. However, if your site ever gets a subpoena, will you fork over $10,000 for an attorney to protect your members right because you chose to make a few dollars letting a company like that advertise? My point was NEVER that the sites could or couldn't get busted, it was for the members. The members privacy, the members security, etc.

If you don't think that a site can get a subpoena to hand OVER ALL of their information. Hell, they go straight to your ISP and hit them up and you HAVE to hand over your database. PMs, each and every post made, even all the stuff you "think" is deleted they will go through and that includes PMs. Letting companies that sell ILLEGAL products on your website, is like inviting the authorities to come and question your members.

p.s.s. I love Elite and this it is my home. My second home is Chemical Muscle as it has the same structure and everything else I outlined in my previous post.

Peace and respect. I will either lock this or let it go for further comment, but I am not going to reply to you again nice6pac. I can't be held responsible. Take care.
 
nice6pac said:
for simple clarity, unless a court is going to rule them illegal they are not as they are not violating any known laws, that is i am sure they are violating fda regualtionsl but since its not for human consumption its an entire gray area,truth be told, call the dea and ask. to sum it up call the dea, call the dea, call the dea, as they stand in current us law its not illegal, just like pipe shops are not illegal they still got arrested but you can be arrested without breaking laws, and to make it clear Call the dea and ask kronk call teh dea and ask them,

ok, I lied. one last response. The clarity of the issue is this. They are CONTROLLED items, the courts have ruled on this. They are prescription medication, does that make sense to you? A CONTROLLED ITEM can not be sold in the manner that these items are being sold. Hell even the on-line pharmacy's that sell viagra and such have doctors on staff to WRITE PRESCRIPTIONS for the items they sell to protect themselves. Wow, is all of this really going over your head?

The way the products are marketed by some, they are for human consumption. Each and every post that you or anyone else has ever made, and the company did nothing about shows intent. I bet I can go to almost any board with advertisers like this and find 100s of posts about how great such and such a "research product" is. The advertiser continues to advertise on that board, they do not stop, they do not stop targeting these types of boards. It simple clear cut intent. Research purposes only, sorry but thats a laugh.

Remember, this was never about the boards getting in trouble per se, it was about the members privacy and they have the right to know that this could happen to them someday. On that note, keep this in mind Elite Fitness was served papers to hand over member records and all information, regarding a case dealing with a product that was labeled and sold "For Research Purposes Only". Had Elite not jumped and pulled out thousands and thousands of dollars to protect its member base, everyone that was here at the time would have had all of their information read and went over, everything. So I am really not sure why you are arguing this point, nobody is talking about the sites legal issues. I am discussing the privacy of the members and how they can loose all their privacy if one of these companies selling "research kits" goes down. IMO, that attention to member privacy is what seperates the great boards, from the rest

This is why I am a moderator at 2 sites and 2 sites only. They are the places where for entertainment purposes only actually MEANS something, its not just something we spit out then do the opposite.

OK, I am out. Peace and respect to all! Also, respect to you too nice6pac, I just think that you need to understand that facts, thats all. I am sure you are a good guy, and I respect anyone who is willing to try and argue a point. Take care.

**nice6pack, if you are going to respond to this, maybe you should read each and every one of my posts here. You are arguing over a point the is mute. Stay on track with the message.
 
controlled, clomid is only controlled in a form dosed for human consumption you agree with me on this because you stated it yourself, their is marked precedent where a man who (by defintition of us law) sold kits conting the necessary chemicals to process methamphetime, he did not come into legal trouble until he was connected specifically with providing information to complete the processes necessary for conversion. it is reasonable top proclude that the aforementioned boards have attracted a large amount of 'chemists" as is proven by a special forum dedicated towards chemical conversions who are you to say they are not. as a (fictious) wholesaler of research chemicals i saw a niche market toward a highly educated consumer base, as long as my advertising doesn't suggest illicit use i am not in any trouble and many sites do not suggest illict use so my statements stand. i am not required to prove my innocence you have to prove my guilt since i never advertised in an illicit manner please provide evidence that supports my ilelgal marketing of a controlled substance i cannot be repsonsible for what american citizens choose to do on their online message boards. and even if i did target these ads, intent and gulit are different. as far as c-ditty's would those boards protect you? prove said consumer is using it inappropriatley and arrest them that seems like a scare tactic to me adn i have no interest whatsoever, i would not use online comapnies because i think that safety and cleanliness is a big concern, i know of one person who was hospitilazed after using a liquid suspension. a several day stay. that would ben my concern, woukd you diefor liquaclo? fact is these products are truly not meant for consumption proof needed the lack of cleanilieness and steriltiy of the substances if someon planne d on you repeating as a customer would they want you dieing because of lack of their own sterility how can you say a comapny is marketing for human consumption if their product is toxic, i think that stand as a pretty good arguement remmebr 1 juror is all you need my friend and i ahve no vested interest like i said hospitlization is no fun but ia ma man of logic and a companies 'fuck-up" could be what would save their ass in court
 
For the record i have no vested interest in any of this besides the fact that i felt and as it is written kronk's post was defensive of elite at teh expense of other boards would other boards defend their memebrs in court? how can you say they wouldn't hell george spellwin could be pulling the string of all the baords and have multiple boards set-up as puppets, thereis far to much specultaion to make a statement as insulting as questioning the commitment of another board ot its members. that is one reason i am involved here i was very insulted by the statements made and i am a paying member here i pay to come here only to havee a figure representing elite fitness attack the integrity and honor of other websites one of which i own in essence i was directly slandered by elite fitness maybe not to the extent of a tort but slander is slander and i am very insulted and i now in my own mind doubt my ability to in good conscience renew my platinum membership when the time comes
 
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as yet another follow up, the united states federal governmen t stated that liqunolva and i quote " was not for human consumption" without knowing that it was labled as such. in light of this new information you can feel free to pass me some green, i like its all documented black ink white paper end of discussion. I am going to bed. in conclusion Sometimes there are no easy answers, but easy women are always around, and they're more fun anyway.
 
I can't resist. I warned that this was going to get to me, so I apologize in advance to any members that I may offend.

Nice6pack, is there something wrong with you? Can you not read? I truly am serious here. Just take a moment to READ what I have posted. Look at your responses, you have missed the point so bad its actually frightening. I sincerely feel as if my IQ has dropped just having to sit here and respond to you.

I am sorry if this seems harsh, but you are truly clueless. From the way you are missing the point, the the way you changed your typing style and grammar. Dude, really, I am not trying to be an asshole here, its just that you keep arguing about something that is NOT even the topic of the thread. I keep laying it out, I even bold it for you and you still seem to miss it. Its very frustrating and I guess I just finally had it.

On a final note, the person you spoke of getting in trouble and the one I spoke of were not the same person. Try not to say I know or agree with you on anything, as I am starting to see that is impossible.

I truly am speechless now. Peace
 
not a clue, I am sorry did you just switch topics to avoid addressing the issue, the sites are not illegal there is us government documentation stating that they market a product not suitbale nor intended for human consumption. your the one who missed the point your pissed off because i pulled an ace in the hole i have knowledge of facts that you do not and you a re attacking me personally because you don't want to lose face.
 
:lmao: You are kidding, omg, this has to be the funniest thing I am have had happen to me as a mod. You really are that lost here? Dude, go up to the top of the page and READ my post, if you cant read it all read just the BOLD part. Maybe that will help, then after that, re-read all the posts since the first one.
 
okay, it is even more clear that you got your ass handed to you in an arguement and your pride is getting in the way of tactful exit
 
Nice 6 pac.You are dead wrong.There has been lots of folks getting seizures of these items and being interrogated due to their intended puchases.Please stop arguing about things you do not know.
 
Say what you like but i have stated only facts no law on record prohibits the sale of these products directly because most are not fit (by labratory standards) for human consumption. kids eat play-doh play-doh ahs been sold as food aka burger palydoh mcdonals paly doh sets etc, if play doh is eaten it is not the repsonibility of the company even tho they targeted it and advertised it as food to impressionable minds
 
All up to government interpretation my friend.You rub their noses in it,and I will chuckle as you try to hide behind the"It's for research purposes only" slogan,and so will they.People need to smarten up,and I'm not singling you out here,but EVERYONE.
 
as a follow-up i don;t claim to privy to all teh information but i know what i know, and liek i previsouly stated i would not buy from these comapnies for a variety of reasons but since their products is toxic why would someone drink it thats fucked up.
 
This is kind of retarded. While nolva/clomid isn't illegal... it is controlled. Sorry guys. You could get busted for selling it the same as you could get busted for AAS -- the only differences might be with the various state laws.

As for fedreal laws... medical items that are scheduled for prescription only are controlled... that means if you had a large supply of vicadin in your house... it'd be about the same as nolva-- research or not.

Facts are facts... if you are selling these products, or advertising them or supporting them BY advertising their sales... you are in the wrong here... it's only a matter of time before the black and white you see things in turns into a wide array of colors that will flip you 10 times until Sunday.

Trust me on this... advertising this stuff, buying/selling it... is no more "safe" than that of AAS -- you just might not be doing it under a microscope...

that is, if I'm even talking about the same thing you guys are LOL

Ok, I'm going to bed... just had a 3 hour convo on the phone LOL

C-ditty
 
great post kronk...

the research chemical market is a limited
time thing...enjoy it while it lasts...stock
up with small orders...

it does not enjoy the dubious protection
that internationals do from the hatch act...

dont piss off sbc, he will be all we have again
shortly...

witness, animal kicked the feds asses
again...but dropped the ancilliaries
like a hot potato after beating the
1,4 charges...

i dont understand the concern over the
member records, unless people are getting
too wild on the PM's...

its all circumstantial evidence, do you think
that the DA could even get a search warrant
with it???

now, it could serve to focus attention on
folks engaged in risky behavior and cause
them problems, but i dont see a major issue
for the casual "lifter"...
 
Citruscide said:
I think the main point is... if you advertise Ancillary products, you are supporting an illegal activity... plain and simple. And when the site goes down, the members ... well... think about that for a minute.

I think Canuck got the point.

C-ditty

We were approached by these sites wanting to advertise here. We asked Rick Collins for his opinion, and he said do not accept them as advertisers, so we did not. In his opinion, their operations are not legal and that we should stay away from them -- even though we need the money!

I know that the monthly $8.98 Platinum membership fee is a lot of money for some of you guys, but I hope you will think about our decision regarding advertisers and the costs involved with maintaining the largest bodybuilding archive that has ever existed in the world before complaining about the restricted search.
 
Well said George. When Rick Collins, America's foremost legal authority on anabolic steroids and other muscle-building substances says its not a good idea, I think its prudent to listen.

We truly appreciate our members here and their privacy, this whole thread should show you that. I am happy that this was put up, so that other members can see the truth.

Go Platinum and support the site! Also, if you get a chance check out Legal Muscle, its the best book out there regarding the law and anabolics.
 
I hear you bro.
Its great right now but I dont see it lasting too long. Its so widely available thru boards ads etc....
SBC would be our only resort probably :D

bwood said:
the research chemical market is a limited
time thing...enjoy it while it lasts...stock
up with small orders...

dont piss off sbc, he will be all we have again
shortly...
 
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